Re read my first post, I'm not saying that guy didn't deserve to be knocked out, he deserved it like a bitch. Anybody who believes they can control "The force" obviously doesn't have both feet grounded to reality. Notice how not once I have said that the Aikido guy did not deserve the beating for yapping his mouth around. Thats what most people who run their mouths usually get.

I'm not saying the Aikido guy had a chance, what I'm saying is these fucking contests of "what form is better than another" is fucking moronic.

I love watching Pride and UFC, they both promote a GREAT sport. But comparing that vs Martial Art fighers is pointless.

Martial Art fighters who claim that their art is the most powerful have forgotten their most basic training and need to be humbled. Same goes for MMA fighters who boast the same.

There will always be someone stronger than you. An Aikido Master can be taken out by a chinese MMA fighter, that MMA fighter can be taken out by some little asian dude wielding an HK USP.40, that little asian dude can be taken out by a machine gun, so on and so forth.

So whats the point of comparing and trying to figure out who the best is? Its utterly and completely pointless.

The Aikido guy got what he deserved, but to watch you MMA guys gloat afterwards doesn't make you any better than him.

Now do you catch my drift?



I've never said that the aikido guy was any superior to anyone. He deserved what he got for believing that his style could translate into all out open combat.





Don't put words into my mouth.




MMA : Mixed Martial Arts. Thus an assembly of Martial Arts consisting of move and techniques from various other styles. When combining a series of moves and techniques, what would you call it?

I think the term style would be a good choice. I'm also open to other suggestions.



Congrats, you win t3h prize.




Apples and oranges.

Get it?

to an extent, i agree with you. each style is a tool box with tools in it. how many tools are in the box and how well they are used depends highly on the individulal, their training, their character etc.

however, many styles have some highly impractical tools and remain impractical no matter who is using them. thats the problem. people tend to wall themselves off in their gym/dojo or whatever and create an alternate reality and cult of personality around the person they train with and those that trained them and become more and more and more detached from reality over time... until, like this guy, they have to rely on the age old come back "we don't compete because most of what we study is just too deadly". i've heard that myself more than a few times... and funny enough, its always some jackass thats studied kung fu (or some variation) that says it.

modern competitive fighting is telling us that the most effective fighting is a good standup game of boxing/kicking and a good ground game. its not telling us "Kung Fu is the most effective because its been around for 1000s of years and we can all eventually learn the super secret, dragon talon, two finger touch of death" to knock out opponents.

arguing about what is effective and what isn't, IS productive in my opinion because martial arts, in the absense of combat fighting or real fighting has devolved for the most part into fantasy as there is no way to keep everyone in check.

I think it's a toss up between the no touch video ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc&NR ) and this one: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8ufaBKdY60w

I am undecided at this point.

Yup, I agree with you 100% and I do believe I covered that when I said :


If you all want to argue about what IS productive in a fight, go ahead, have fun, but understand that it is ultimately pointless.

Thinking what you're studying is better than everything else makes you a fool. Gloating that you're the best makes you a bigger fool. Gloating after beating down a fool, well... that doesn't make you much of anything.

Nice Clip! :thumbsup

I like how he says natural athletes are less susceptible to the technique, yet everyone at his gym seems to get knocked out by it, and the female reporter does not. And it's just a coincidence that it didn't work on any of those BJJ guys. Haha.

So it's the gloating at watching some idiot who spent all his life and his delusions that get shattered that bothers you?

Keep your issues to yourself, this thread is about Bullshit Martial Art that got exsposed for being fake.

No one has to do a style versus style, it was done from UFC 1 through 4.

So who are you making excuses for then?

MMA is not a style, it is a sport.

Lame.


Fighting is fighting. Stop making excuses for being inferior or training likewise.

See, you just lost credibility and are now talking like a regular punk...

I tried stating a point and you're being a bully about it.

If you don't want to listen to what I have to say, thats your loss.

Now go ahead and flame on and say that you'll ignore me.

Indulge.

see that's why I choose to not say anything more than "oh snap/owned/omg wtf/wow that must have hurt/etc" in these threads. MMA knuckle heads always think them > all

So now I'm a punk? Truth hurts, eh?

Being a bully by debunking your "facts" and argument? That has to be the first time I have ever heard that excuse on why someone has lost an argument, ever.

I find it interesting that it's that you complain "I won't listen to what you have to say", yet you won't listen to anything I do.

Hypocritical? You betcha.

In situations like these, I can fully understand this quote :


Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

- Albert Einstein


I'm not saying I am enlightened or very intelligent... I simply understand why he would say something like that.

If you can show me an instance where a MMA knuckle head gets his ass kicked by an Aikido guy, I will be the first to say MMA got beat.

Listening to what u say is pointless, as what you have to say makes absolutely no fucking sense. Much like fighting without touching the opponent.

If you want to get in shape and learn a sport, take tennis lessons. It teaches you how to play tennis. If you want to get in shape and learn to fight, take a martial art. If I paid for tennis lessons and never learned how to hit a ball, I'd be pissed off. If u pay for MA lessons and don't learn how to fight, you got ripped off.

There is ONE reason for learning a martial art, and all this shaolin monk/kung fu/ninja bullshit is just that, bullshit. If you're too thick to understand Anthony's point, that's not HIS problem, it's yours. It's not a difficult point to understand.

In situations like these, I can fully understand this quote:

Don't aruge with an idiot, they drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience.

- Anon

In the MMA tournaments - are they allowed to strike to the back and spine?

You are neither. You are so open minded your brains fell out somewhere along the way.

The broadest answer is no. Spine is off limits.

Most people understand it's not Mortal Kombat, and SubZero isn't gonna pull your spine out. At least I hope. :)

lmao lern tu reed

did I say anything about MMA getting beat by aikido? nope.

lmao u lern tu undastand, i wuz makeng n xample of it neva happering.

This reminds me of the Steven Seagal challenge for a fight to the death with any martial artist in the world. He said it in a Black Belt magazine article when the martial arts world was saying he was a fake.

5 or 10 guys came back and took the challenge in the next month's issue, he never responded to any of them. That was the beginning of the end of his career.

100........... :arcadefre

You haven't learned the rip your spine out technique, its messy but amazing. Guarantee win every time :) lol

Steven Segal also said he could NOT be choked out.

Gene Lebell said bullshit. Lebell or Judo Gene Lebell choked him out and Segal shit his pants on the movie set.

As from Gokor Chivichyan, is Gene's top student, who happens to be Karo Parisiyan's (UFC Fighter) Instructor told the following:

You gotta show me when you come down! :)

The old man actually believed his lies. Were his students jumping around and falling on the floor for that long that he started to believe his own shit?

Crazy... The Karate guy DID do him and his students a favour by kicking his ass.

Aikido is a fuckin joke. I had some guy "biggin up" Tai Chi to me the other day. Some people are stupid.

Lebell challenged 80 yr old Helio to teach the GRACIE FAMILY a lesson?

what a dick.

Also u know as well as I do that you can't predict what someone will do when they go out. Unconscious is unconscious.

Actually Bernie, I learned how to do that to people back when I used to bounce.

Once you get them in the rear naked, and they are about to pass out, you bend them foward so that their trunk is over their toes. It causes them to piss and shit themselves.

I've done it to someone with a full nelson, never got the chance too with a choke.

well I never heard of it and I've seen about 3 dozen people pass out, more or less. I've only seen one shit his pants and that was when he was still conscious lol.. I don't remember the dude's name but the vid is somewhere on Glover's myspace page.

To his credit, he kept fighting!

Yuck.

I'd tap real quick.

he stuck it out.

http://www.sumo.tv/video/69575 this is the guy, I don't remember his name but he trains at Cobra Kai in LV

i concur

Oh yeah, I remember this, it was everywhere. LOL

and i SO thought the old guy was gonna open a can of whop-ass :(

omg.... i cant belive my master is a fake

That looked absolutely amazing

These pressure point, no touch, Kung Fu, ninja type instructors are basically cult leaders. The students believe them because they so badly WANT to believe them, and they basically get hypnotized. When they go down because of the 'chi force' they really do feel that shit and think they're being knocked on their ass. Try it against someone who isn't mentally conditioned to believe it's going to work, and it won't work. This is why it's absolutely crucial that you train in something that can be tested against a fully-resisting opponent. Otherwise you're just hypothesizing, and most of the time coming up with the wrong answers.

As most of us guys know, there's nothing that punctures your self-delusions quite like a sudden fist in the face.

i coulda kicked his ass too :)

for the first time probably, i fully agree with Dig420. i never gave much thought to the idea of it being like a cult, but thats a pretty good way to look at most martial arts schools in the USA.

my feeling is always the same... if you are truly training to fight... then you should have ZERO problem with stepping up to the plate and fighting, anywhere, anytime, against any opponent. afterall... thats what you are training to do.

if you can't do that... then all you are getting is exercise. if thats the case... then call it what is... exercise.
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Don't bother... He's been slammed on his head too many times for the point to sink in...

You've just announced you've never been in many actual fights. You suck the tit of this BJJ shit like it's the holy grail.

There's rednecks and n1ggers right now drinking at bars that would break any of these people's necks. For the last time, what happens behind a bar isnt' taped and there aren't any referees.

Mike Tyson wasn't even close to the best heavyweight to ever put on the gloves but if he would even score one shot against these dorks, they'd melt.

Give me a choice between a drunk beaner or one of these MMA faggots my size, I'll pick the MMA dork. Beaner's that can fight are like Roberto Duran's.They hit like a fucking mule. You wouldn't last five minutes in most of the bars I slum. Some redneck or n1gger would beat you to death.

This hero worship is fucking stupid.