You know what is funny? Every program owner says their sales increased with the switch to NATS, and every affiliate says that the sales have decreased.

hmmm...this thread raised my curiosity. I will restart promoting FlashCash to see if there´s any ratio difference from one year ago.

Re: all of the "subtle" accusations of shaving. I thought this board had some rules about that? If you have something to say, say it. There is NO shave feature in NATS, never has been, never will be. It is not "impossible" to shave with any software. I've never claimed that with NATS. We simply said we won't have a shave feature and we won't allow it. Which, surprisingly enough was different than the norm when we launched our product. Lets not open that discussion up again tho.

Those who love to generate attention for themselves on GFY seem to love to twist words tho. If you think someone is shaving, say something, don't just go around hinting at subtle things to get your sig views.

Re: verified signups, we have an update/info about that coming monday.

No, every affiliate does not. Some do. The ones who are going to be loud are the MINORITY who are obviously going to complain where as those who see increases have no incentive to be loud about it.

I'm not getting into an argument with the collection of GFY personalities in this thread. If you have an issue, contact us or the program owner. The posting vague accusations is really a waste of my time.

The thing is, i've been with FlashCash for a long time (several years) In the Top 5 webmasters. Things were pretty good. But with the switch to NATS everything went to shit.

I've already redirected half of my traffic someplace else. No i'm thinking about completely dropping them.

Hey come up with your own shit please.

You cant tell us now?

No. I think that was pretty obvious by me saying Monday.

And the reason is?

Because we have it scheduled to be released and announced Monday. I'm not going to sit here and play your games. Have fun annoying the people on here who have time to bother with your bullshit.

What bullshit John?

Like I said, I don't have the time.

John you seem very upset because there seem to be problems with either nats or programs using nats. Maybe instead of being so defensive you should come up with theories what could cause this.

Yeah, accuse a program of shaving without posting proof.

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Ofcourse you dont.

I'm not upset at all. Nor defensive.

This is exactly the games you love to play on here that I'm talking about. If you have something direct to ask, ask it. If you have something to say, say it. Don't play games. I know this is a hobby to you but believe it or not some people consider this a business. Not a board to come on and fuck with people to get some laughs and a nice post count.

Wtf are you talking about. I already said it. There seem to be problems with either nats or some programs running it. Maybe someone should have a close fucking look at it.

Playing games? Postcount? Wtf are you smoking man.

Whoopiedo, i just passed 39k. You seriously think i give a fuck?

i've noticed a difference in the wrong direction, but i dont have a long time frame to really give a good judgement on it...

There are no problems. There WAS a problem with fleshlightcash which has been addressed on here a dozen times. There aren't any tracking problems or signup problems. There are a few affiliates who like to blame their problems on NATS.

If a program switches, and 100 people have improved ratios and 10 have worse ratios you will hear from 2 out of the 100 with improved ratios and all 10 of those who have worse ratios.

We check overall #s when someone is complaining about their ratios dropping (exclusive of type-in and in house traffic) and overall the #s are always in the same general range, maybe a bit down, maybe a bit up, but overall about the same.

Saying "NATS has a problem" is vague. If you have seen a problem, tell us what it is specifically. Otherwise you're just wasting people's time.

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A few?? How about 3 pages full of them?

Also,

"Some programs running it"... we have several hundred clients. We can't sit here and go thru every one looking for "Franck's mysterious problem". If you have an issue let us know what it actually is and we're glad to help.

Basically everybody does. Everybody but the program owners and the nats owners :1orglaugh

I have something direct to ask.

What the fuck is "verified signups" ?

Is it set up the same way for all programs or are there different variables to be used?

Which affiliate program are you referring to that they are complaining about?

We've realized this is an area that could be confusing or worrisome to affiliates and we are making some changes and will have an announcement about it Monday as stated above.

It easy to argue when you just make things up, isn't it?

So you actually do not monitor programs for sales skimming, like you said you did?

I can already picture these change.

Make it invisible to the affiliates.

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We look into issues from time to time. Do we check every single program every single day, no. I don't ever recall saying we "monitor" people. If I did, I'd like to see it.

Actually, its exactly the opposite. I don't know what your problem is but based on your history here it seems you just like to anger people and create problems.

You know what my problem is? I've lost $11000 on this 'verified signups' bullshit this year and God knows how much more with the whole NATS switch.

I think is only fair to wonder why my sales got 2x worse since the switch.

Flashcash has ALWAYS had verified signups. They're now required to SHOW you them.

I have never heard that related to our company and I cant find any single reason why this problem should exist. NATS written very well and it handles pretty amount of traffic and sales on our side.We made a lot of tests when we bought the software and the results were always exact. If the usage of NATS is correct it should work very well. This is very proffesional company and I know this from our own experience with them.

If your problem is with Flashcash moving to NATS why don't you complain to Flashcash about moving to NATS rather than just running complaining about us. If there really is a widespread problem and it is effecting all Flashcash affiliates and they all complain about it to Flashcash I'm quite sure they would move away from our software. Most likely the problem is the issue isn't as widespread as you would like to believe.

I haven't seen every nats program come here and say ratios & sales improved once they added nats. Some have, some do, and some don't. Nats has 300ish clients, I see most gfy posts target the same 8 clients and complain.

I'm sure Mayor won't mind some good promo here. I have seen how well webmasters do with MayorsMoney. They have great sites, great niches, and NATS setup how it should be setup. They convert amazing and so do webmasters.

I have promoted NATS, MPA, CCBill, and almost every half popular program. The software has made little difference. The sites, the niche, and if they dried up for my traffic made the difference. Some people change and it hurts, some people don't change and it hurts, others grow and have mad success.

It's not the software.

Thank you. Its not odd that from time to time a few people will see a negative effect or coincidentally after the move their performance worsens. Unfortunately, in this industry, and especially on this board, those people tend to be very very loud where as those who do well try to keep as quiet as they can.

I did complain. All their webmasters did (just take a look at their message board)

They just say that everything is normal.


I actually believed that untill I saw how many people here on GFY have had problems since the NATS switch.

I have spoken to Buddy about it before and I will again this week. Believe me, if there IS a problem I want nothing more than to find it. If affiliates aren't happy with NATS, NATS becomes worthless. As Doc said, we have hundreds of clients, the complaints are often about a small few and from a certain group of people. Nevertheless, I have no problem at all looking into something. All you have to do is ask us to and we will. Unfortunately that is usually never done and people just start posting generalized NATS threads on GFY for whatever reason they feel that is the right thing to do.

Also, Flashcash is a very large program which has been around for a very long time. What may seem like a lot of affiliates complaining may be very much a minority relative to the size of the program.

This is true.I often hear our partners saying that they wont share their stats just to keep the program unsaturated, which is almost a myth I think. Lots of old classic sites keep rolling with same ratios these days.