Originally Posted by diesel (Post 11445796)

This is true.I often hear our partners saying that they wont share their stats just to keep the program unsaturated, which is almost a myth I think. Lots of old classic sites keep rolling with same ratios these days.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11445563)

Because we have it scheduled to be released and announced Monday. I'm not going to sit here and play your games. Have fun annoying the people on here who have time to bother with your bullshit.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11445822)

You say that I "bash" you but I'm not.

I only say that for me personally I don't do well with programs that use your system. I cannot pin-point a particular reason.

I am 1:15000 with a program that uses NATS and it's a program with really good sites. I used to do well with them but things went down very steeply. It wasn't like I got fewer, then fewer, then fewer sign ups.
I went from "slamming" to nothing. Once the signups stopped they never returned, not even an occasional signup.

A sudden stop in sign ups seems like something went wrong rather than things are slowing down.

Originally Posted by Franck (Post 11445352)

AHHHH sure surfer!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You got owned real fucking bad in this thread :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Bookmarked for future reference :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11445632)

We've realized this is an area that could be confusing or worrisome to affiliates and we are making some changes and will have an announcement about it Monday as stated above.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11445864)

So, you say "ask a direct question" and this is what you say when you get a direct question. It's not a direct answer.

WTF is going to change by monday?
You either know what it is or you don't.

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 11445856)

explain where I got owned? your the one who feel for my retard comment left right and center and was gonna flame me bad.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

anyway im 18, i deserve to be owned now and again, you must be like 35 looking at your pictures, im owning you all the time dad.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11445822)

I used to do well with them but things went down very steeply. It wasn't like I got fewer, then fewer, then fewer sign ups.
I went from "slamming" to nothing. Once the signups stopped they never returned, not even an occasional signup.

A sudden stop in sign ups seems like something went wrong rather than things are slowing down.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11445836)

Have you ever contacted us to look into it for you?

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11445897)

I contacted the sponsor and they said "everything looks good on our end".

Which to me means thay didn't actually look at anything.

It's not like they said: "We did 3 test sign ups; your main link, your hosted gallieries, and a bookmark and they all worked perfectly."

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11445878)

Can you have your pissing match somewhere else please?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 11444728)

If someone knows of a problem or bug with nats, they will fix it. But between webmasters, surfers, and the programs nobody has seen any "issues" that would cause sales or ratios to drop.

NATS programs can be setup very differently. From processors, the amount of processors, how exits/xsales work and credit, if we have geoip or not, and more than I can list. NATS also tracks more clicks, all clicks even if the visitor never sees the tour. Then we have to look at the sites, the niches, all that bs..

I have seen sites using nats which convert 1:200-400 for webmasters steady for long periods of time.

I like to think that if something is wrong, someone would have noticed it. Lots of smart people use nats in all types of ways. Look at the program, look at the setup, the niches, and errors made by the program.. No reason to blame the software until we can find a problem with the software.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11445901)

We've said time and time again affiliates can contact us if they have a problem and we will look into it. What sponsor program is it and what is your account name? I will contact them and get it looked into.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11445972)

They were contacted and they did what they are going to do.
I just wrote the program off.

I'm not going to beg 3 or four differrent people to check into the problem.
If they say everything is working then that means the entire program is crap and should be dumped since I can't make any money with "everything working".

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11445928)

interracialtoons; a general suggestion for you. Take the auto-playing sound off your page. That will get a nice % of surfers to close their browser very quickly and never visit your site again. The last thing they need is their wife or children woken up at 3am while they are surfing porn.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11446006)

What kind of browser are you using?
It dosen't autoplay in IE, you have to click.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446000)

So its only one NATS program you had a problem with?

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11446026)

No, that was just the one that seems so ridiculous that I would think the sponsor would really look into it. if I had an affiliate sending non-popup/exit traffic with a 1:15000 ratio then I would try to find a way to make that better for my sake alone.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446015)

I'm using Firefox 2, and it auto-plays for me. Was just a heads up to you. Thats a very bad thing for surfers.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11446043)

Tell firefox to fix their shit.

<param name='autoStart' value="false">

Tell them the above code means something.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446038)

I doubt you will, but could you tell me the programs you had issues with?

It doesn't help anyone to just make random general complaints with no info so the problem can't be looked into.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11446080)

The reason I don't name the sponsor is because the sponsor comes into the thread accusing me of slandering their program and one sponsor, "Hodopes"
deleted my affiliate account because I complained about the logo on their check.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446063)

Also, there are a ton of typos/spelling mistakes on your page.

Originally Posted by interracialtoons (Post 11446097)

I better get the latest version of "spell-check-for-porn" installed in my PC.
God forbid that all my chinese traffic would stop clicking.
:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446094)

So contact me in private about it. Don't just keep going on complaining every chance you get without asking for help or even saying what the problem is.

From what I know, HoDough deleted your account because you repeatedly attacked them over a logo on a check. And its irrelevant to this discussion.

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 11446112)

My experience has always been that I do better with programs not using NATs. That's the reality that myself and MANY affiliates including some of the biggest ones out there have said, and nothing NATs says can change that. Instead, they should be taking it more seriously since most of us have had enough of bitching about it, have given up and just send less traffic to NATs programs or don't even bother signing up to them.

As for switching from not NATs to NATs, can't really say for sure. I can say this though. One of my major sponsors that switched, the sales numbers stayed about the same. You would think that would be a form of "proof" that NATs didn't cause a decrease in sales. But the thing is, at the same time, the program switched to their own merchant account and everyone knows that increases sales. Yet they stayed the same.

When you keep seeing things like this occur time and time again, it doesn't take long to realize there's something going on even if some people are not willing to see it or admit it.

At the end of the day, move your traffic where it makes the most money and everything else will take care of itself.

And if you're a small program using NATs and you're not attracting the affiliates or they're not seeing the sort of traffic from them you know they could send. Then maybe you should consider changing sofware. Your only loyalty should be to your bottom line and if affiliates are avoiding promoting you because of NATs, then wake up and do what you have to do for YOUR business.

Originally Posted by Tempest

My experience has always been that I do better with programs not using NATs. That's the reality that myself and MANY affiliates including some of the biggest ones out there have said, and nothing NATs says can change that. Instead, they should be taking it more seriously since most of us have had enough of bitching about it, have given up and just send less traffic to NATs programs or don't even bother signing up to them.

As for switching from not NATs to NATs, can't really say for sure. I can say this though. One of my major sponsors that switched, the sales numbers stayed about the same. You would think that would be a form of "proof" that NATs didn't cause a decrease in sales. But the thing is, at the same time, the program switched to their own merchant account and everyone knows that increases sales. Yet they stayed the same.

When you keep seeing things like this occur time and time again, it doesn't take long to realize there's something going on even if some people are not willing to see it or admit it.

At the end of the day, move your traffic where it makes the most money and everything else will take care of itself.

And if you're a small program using NATs and you're not attracting the affiliates or they're not seeing the sort of traffic from them you know they could send. Then maybe you should consider changing sofware. Your only loyalty should be to your bottom line and if affiliates are avoiding promoting you because of NATs, then wake up and do what you have to do for YOUR business.

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 11446136)

there you have it ^

most affiliates feel that way

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 11446112)

My experience has always been that I do better with programs not using NATs. That's the reality that myself and MANY affiliates including some of the biggest ones out there have said, and nothing NATs says can change that. Instead, they should be taking it more seriously since most of us have had enough of bitching about it, have given up and just send less traffic to NATs programs or don't even bother signing up to them.

As for switching from not NATs to NATs, can't really say for sure. I can say this though. One of my major sponsors that switched, the sales numbers stayed about the same. You would think that would be a form of "proof" that NATs didn't cause a decrease in sales. But the thing is, at the same time, the program switched to their own merchant account and everyone knows that increases sales. Yet they stayed the same.

When you keep seeing things like this occur time and time again, it doesn't take long to realize there's something going on even if some people are not willing to see it or admit it.

At the end of the day, move your traffic where it makes the most money and everything else will take care of itself.

And if you're a small program using NATs and you're not attracting the affiliates or they're not seeing the sort of traffic from them you know they could send. Then maybe you should consider changing sofware. Your only loyalty should be to your bottom line and if affiliates are avoiding promoting you because of NATs, then wake up and do what you have to do for YOUR business.

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 11446170)

Affiliates have no choice. All the top sponsors have switched to NATS.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446133)

Again, show me a specific example where there is an actual problem and I would be more than happy to look into it.

If you can tell me how to look into the issue of "this has a problem" with no further specifics than I will maybe try that also.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446157)

Amazing how if most affiliates refuse to promote NATS affiliate programs we have about 10x the client base of our nearest competitor. You need to stop and realize that if "most" as you keep saying affiliates dislike/won't use NATS then we would not have anywhere near the # of installations we do. Affilitae programs simply wouldn't use it if the majority or even a large portion of their affiliates complained about it.

The trust is most love it. Its your very loud minority who don't.

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 11446183)

Maybe you can tell me how I could possibly show you an actual problem? All I have the ability to do is tell you the difference in my numbers. And I'm doing that. People like Shap have also said the same thing. But you choose to ignore even the most respected people and defend your product instead of taking it seriously.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn (Post 11446185)

If someone has an actual demonstratable issue they would like looked into