Al Gore invented the Interweb. If he says we're burning ourselves to smithereens, then by golly, I believe him.

I'm selling both my SUVs and cutting off all power and water to the house. Walking 8 miles each way up and down mountain roads to the store should keep me in shape. I have a trip planned to San Francisco in Feb, but since I'm sure planes use fuel, I'm leaving tomorrow AM to start walking to make it there on time. I'm suppsed to be going to Mississippi in Jan, but obviously, I can't make both trips.

I cannot, however, control the excessive pooting caused by 4 pugs :(

I actually canceled a trip to Alaska last week (would be coming home tonight) because it was raining their instead of snowing. I blame the moose. Or Exxon.

Most of the weather changes we are seeing are in big part due to global warming, but the last giant Tsunami that hit Bangkok and others was so powerful that it shifted the earths axe by 2 degrees...think about it, the earth shifted 2 degree..Thats alone is enough to cause weather changes and all the other weird things we are seeing every year.

The questions is not wether the earch is gonna blow up or not; it's When!

Till then, enjoy life my brothers and sisters :pimp , we are in for a ride!

I do my part. I burn matches all the time, and use a gas stove. Adds lots of heat to the over all warming

Oh my SIDES MY SIDES!!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

hotest winter for 150 years - they say

Global Warming as it is currently being presented is bullshit. Logically though, global warming has to be real to a certain extent. Let’s look at our own bodies for example. What happens if you constantly eat fatty foods, and don’t exercise enough? Eventually our bodies become obese, morbidly obese, or worse, and become prone to heart disease, diabetes, and more. Eventually our bodies shut down and we die.

The Earth can be looked at the same way but on a much larger scale. Right now it is my firm belief that the Earth is doing more than enough ‘exercise’ to deal with our pollution (fatty foods). That doesn’t mean there still isn’t plaque build-up, however. As more and more humans end up sprawling on her surface eventually we will outstrip Earth’s ability to cope. When will this point happen? Who knows. Let Al Gore figure it out.

Who is this they, and where did they say it? :1orglaugh

Interesting. Tell the people in the midwest of the US that - they just went through an ice storm earlier than normal. We here in GA just had the coldest days in years. People in FL were complaining about cold weather all last week.

I love it, in another 20 yrs, my land locked place in ontario will be prime ocean front property with tropical weather year round!

I've seen global climate graphs for the last 5000 yrs (estimates based on core samples of ice taken in the arctic and antarctic regions) and this global warming trend is only about 10 degree over 200 yrs, in the 4800 yrs before that the temperature was on a constant decline. This could be a hickup, or the planet could be in the midst of a normal temperature fluctuation. Nobody know, but hey, that doesn't grab headlines, or push a scientific agenda so instead of finding out they labeled it global warming and used it to curb the use of fossil fuels.

No its just over 1 degree, not 10.

Global warming is bad, for sure. We have +8 in Saint Petersburg right now and it's at the begining of December. That's crazy

I've read that scientist discovered that 2/3 of gases polluting our atmosphere are caused and made by.... COWS!

Global warming is happening. Face the truth, educate yourself, and act.

That is, if you care about life.

Its all Bush's fault

Even if that was true, the only reason there are so many cows are because of... HUMANS!

Global warming my ass !!!!

the world is simply evolving....its no great surprise for fuck sake its done it before !!!


I believe the theory that the poles are going to flip anyway and thats whats causing all the fucked up weather and shit...but hey my family think i am mad

wow, i did not think this thread would get so many replies! nice to see some good discussion going.......i guess that we just have to adapt to the new conditions and as for the pollution, try to be smart when possible.

No offense but you are drinkin the koolaid lol

perfectodollars-gabrio:

It's a valid thread and not surprising the replies.

Unfortunately 95% are from totally ignorant asses who generally have a no clue on any subject.

The good news for the thread count is that they will continue to cut and paste any old crap from other websites to support whatever crazy views they have - and call it "evidence". It's GFY :winkwink:

I havent cut and pasted anything other than what I posted before. Which came out of my little non green peace ass kissing tiny little brain. lol

As old as you are Webby Im surprised you aren't hoping for it to get warmer, Im sure you got your fill of cold weather at the end of the last ice age.... :winkwink: :1orglaugh

I'm really baffled with the replies here - is this what people think?

Only those with common sense. :winkwink:

I never noticed addressing you or whether I cared about whether you cut and pasted anything???

Sorry.. too busy - don't have time for silly crap Sticky.

Well I was one of the main posters for the other side,...:winkwink:

:1orglaugh You were??? I never even read what you or anyone else claimed - rest assured it's the usual utter shit that is fairly unique to GFY. Only certainty is that it will have zero relevance to anyone.

Never confuse this kind of thread with sanity, rational evaluation, discussion or much else. As I said - a warped rabble of utter bullshit.

Have a nice day :thumbsup

Save the Earth!!!!!!
Make it better place!

i am not joking.

ok guys, time to roll in the sack, pretty late over here in Italy! for the note, it's getting cold and next weekend it's skiing time finally ;-)

ciao!

It seems like we are going through extremes.Hotter Summers and colder winters..I blame it on global warming

yes, very slowly its happening...:\

How bout if you are going to post in support of your side you dabble into providing a few rock solid facts that support global warming. :winkwink:

I love how folks act like they really give a crap about what happens to the earth after they're gone ;) "Oh, but I drive a hybrid, I recycle, etc.". Yet they'll still go and buy clothes made by factories that are polluting the air, don't compost, knock down trees to build their homes, etc.

We're dealing with what people generations ago created - why should we be any different? :)

Whats funny is how short peoples memories are lol. Suddenly there is a ton of pollution. The 1970 pollution protection act did away with an incredibly huge amount of it. Anyone who thinks we pollute alot now needs to look at the pics I posted on the first page and see what it used to be like. The earth is like an operating room compared to what it was like from 1900s till the late 70's early 80's. Tons has been done.

OK... got a moment. First, there is no "side" - it's not a debate, tho small elements can be good or bad, tho don't have enough impact worth discussing. This is also not a subject that can be covered on a chatboard so will keep it simple.

There are two elements associated with... basically pollution. First is a growing lack of resources - and an element of destruction of existing resources. Second is in increasing demand on these resources where world population is increasing X fold.

A simple example is a cup filled 25% with water and represents the current world population. For example sake, assume world population doubles every 20 years. How long before that cup overflows and unstainability starts?

It's basically about lack of resources and pressure being placed on these resources. Some resources can be "manufactured" or regenerated - such as water, but at a high cost. Water will be the oil of the future.

Resources range from ... literally everything, from air to water and have an effect on existing species in the process.

Some nations, such as China are the problem of the future. The Chinese govt is well-aware of this growing problem and actively seeking avenues to contain it - but, other pressures (economic) will prob supercede their intentions. The current problem is most likely the US which is home to only 5% of the world's population, yet consumes 25% of world resources. This is obviously unsustainable (as is the fiscal policy).

Call it what you will - "global warming", "unsustainability", "lack of resources" - it's the same thing - perhaps expressed in different terms.

Whether we like it or not, there will be little choice but to address the issue - and this needs attention on a global basis. The introduction of Kyoto is a step, but only a first stage - it will take far more effort.

Was speaking with a group of people who specialize in "resource management" recently and they forecast the introduction of "oxygen shares" on the markets within 10 years. The current scenario in managing "oxygen" under Kyoto makes it hard for govts to trade in these and offset their "oxygen quotas". Stuffing them on to the markets simplifies the process. Two guys already had orders for.. can't remember, something like 5 million of these shares. Their problem was they can't find enough land which ommitted oxygen levels to qualify (involves around one hectare of land per share).

Last month 180 nations met to continue negotiating deeper cuts under the Kyoto Protocol but excluding developing nations - for the moment. The US rejects the Protocol and complains about developing nations and that this will damage the US economy. However, thats only delaying the inevitable - there will be more than just economies damaged (including the US economy) unless this issue is addressed. There are other quibbles from a variety of nations where economic impact is a concern. Other nations object strongly to their resources being raped by others - so, it's going to be a negotiating process all round. When Kyoto expires, nations not in the "club" will prob suffer some degree of impact looking forward.

Hehe... you got a point there Peaches.

Governments around the world have paid good money for extensive research into their nations activities and the future effects of these activities on the land within their jurisdictions.

A very common feedback after having sat thru days learning the facts of life is - "I won't be in office when the shit hits the fan, so it's not my problem".

Nice to see responsibility in government :winkwink:

Al Gore says it's bad...it's bad!

First off the population doesnt even come close to doubling every 20 years. Just over a billion is what it has increased per 20 years over the last 4 decades. Secondly the current population of the world could live comfortably in a state the size of New Jersey if we had to as far as just living space. Natural resources have little to do with the reasons they "say" global warming is happening. If we ran out of resources wouldnt actually help put a stop to the so called pollution we have? lol

You realize the reason the U.S. did not sign Kyoto is it would hurt our economy while doing little to curb pollution levels. If we were really losing resources as is touted in the media it could only lead to new products and innovations that would lead us away from using oil. Necessity is the mother of invention.

Who said it did? That was an example.

Utter crap - You try that as see how long you would live. We are not taking about more stupid condo complexes.

OK.. Run out of resources and see how you like it.

The consumer logic of the US is not worth discussing - nor are the excuses.

You saying we are not losing resources??? Hell.. not worth discussing.

Losing resources? Well we are using them. Are we going to run out is the question.

And studies have been done on the area the world population could fit in. There are many many cities where people live every day in the same size living space as what they would in New Jersey. The point isnt to say we COULD live in a small area, the point is to show the population is much much much smaller than what is portrayed by the media.

Im only debating this because Id like to reach 10k before New years, and I just have batch encoding running and really no work that requires my immediate attention hehe. :winkwink: