no shit. I said it means different things to different people (meaning each person has their opinion of what it means). You are the dumb ass who told me to look it up.

Now you tell me opinions and definitions are different things. :upsidedow

are you kidding ?

yeah I think there are a lot of people who justify what they do and believe that if the steal something it was ok because...

It comes down to the person, what 99% of us see as stealing to that individual he may have thought what he was doing was ok under the circumstances and then there are people who really dont give a fuck. People who believe if you are stupid enough to let them take it then you deserve to lose it.

You had to be joking with that comment. Do you think everyone who steals says, OH i shouldn't be doing this i know it is wrong, :1orglaugh

Just Passing By............

Okay, I see where you're coming from now.

To me, many of the laws on the books are nonsensical and are representative of the morals of a group of people. Like abortion. That doesn't make them RIGHT. It wasn't against the law to own slaves at one time. Making the choice to actually OWN them was however.

But, when there is a potential victim (please god don't use a fetus as an example here-that's another debate altogether) and a clear choice, the choice you make can easily define your morals...whether it's a law or not. All imo of course.

"What would you be willing to do if you knew you'd never get caught?"

I am sure things are different for everyone. Like Abortion. For me I think it should be legal. Your body is one of the few things that people should not be telling what you can and can't do to it. "Morally" I think it is wrong, for various reasons to me personally. But I would not stop someone i know from having one, maybe i am not a moral person even in my own eyes ;)


We kind of got side tracked here a little. Incase anyone missed it Jimmetheape was saying I was trying to be the moral police because of two issues I was talking about.

1. Zango, spyware and theft. So being against those things makes you a "moral" person ?

2. The risk of using questionable content. I just pointed out the risk, never once said anything to do with what most would see as morals. I specifically said I wouldn't use questionable content without docs in hand because I don't want to take a chance of going to jail for CP. Now if I was saying, that it is wrong to make money off of pedos, or you are exploiting girls, I would never use girls that look that young you are sick, etc. etc.. then that to me, would be moral statements.

Anyway jimmie is just a troll, he makes some off the wall statements for sig views (most of which are not even going to his own program since you can hardly see the link in his sig to lovishcash) and then just insults people instead of trying to back up what he said. :Oh crap

BINGO!! that is what I was thinking too.

Damn Baddog there is hope for you after all :winkwink:

MORON. I removed all the links to my "Program" (it's not even really a program) several months back. I was getting people emailing me asking me for help and I haven't had the time to take anyone new on, so I removed all links to it. Not like I bumped my program out of my sig because someone paid me a couple hundred bucks to promote their program :1orglaugh

Jimmie the sig whore. How many "program" owners do you know that sell 90% of their sig space for other people and don't even use it for their own programs... :1orglaugh @ Jimmie and LavendarCash.

Great business thread you started here Jim, might have one me a fifty spot....

Morals?

I don't give a fuck about morals and I doubt any adult webmaster really do. It's about the money, and these zango supporting scumbags are COSTING ME MONEY. Anyone who deals in major traffic are LOSING MONEY because of zango. That's a fact.

That's why I'm pissed off and aim to financially hurt anyone supporting this shit.

Anyone who have a laissez-faire stand towards zango and the zango-jugends must be either too rich to care, idiots, or don't have traffic.

I know this guy who had a friend whos uncle worked for the sister of this one lady whos dad is super rich, you all have nothing on me ,

50 drama points :thumbsup

definetly not #1 for Jimmie. #2 and #3 are him, especially #3.

give em hell will

Troels,
Since you are so upset about this subject you must have an idea of how much Zango is stealing from you. This amount must be enough to make you really upset given your post. Can you tell me how much Zango is stealing from you?

I hear from word of mouth and from real tests that Zango is 0.005% of the US Internet. Now given that Zango does not pop on EVERY single bidded target if the client has already had a pop recently(I don't know exactly how it works but I know they won't pop every single time you hit a target thats bidded on as a fact. They try not to over do it). So that should break down that 0.005%(half a percent for the slow) to a smaller amount. Then, given the fact that surfers are aware of and mostly have experienced popups, we would assume a majority of the surfers would close this window. So this 0.005% really get's dropped down somewhere in the 0.00011% of your traffic.

Ok to sum it up your traffic must be soooo huge that somewhere around 0.00011% of your traffic is enough to get so upset about. If I were you and this was upsetting me as much as it's upsetting you I would make sure my hosting provider has 100% uptime. Otherwise, I would be so upset I would be posting on boards and bitching like crazy. Because 0.0015% of your hosting being down at anytime during the month is costing you MORE money than Zango. Infact, by you even taking an interest and following this subject, you yourself are costing you more money then this problem, that is has been so over exagerated, by taking time away from producing just enough money to cover 0.0015% more money for yourself. I am not attacking you. Just trying to show you the real truth. Not the propaganda.

Dude..... This whole paragraph contradicts yourself. "I don't give a fuck about morals" Are the Zango scumbags immorrally costing you money?
I mean it's legal... But the morality of it's on the table here. But you state again "I don't give a fuck about morals". So what's your stance here?

please put the fake nick away. damn you pop up like once a month, kinda like pms.

it is so pointless to argue with a fake nick.

Hard to find a way to argue with reason isn't it?

OMG! I just saw the link on your sig!!!
your true motives are exposed!! Your ambushed interviewed yourself!!!
Will76's own made up questions and answers for his own ambush interview. How hillarious!

Trying to get some attention huh?
LOL

Did will give up on Zango or is this in addition to it?
WG

God damn! And I couldn't immagine for the life of me you sticking dildoes in your ass on Ifriends for gay guys to jerk off to you and having to live with your wife and kids.

How did you entice the guys to do private one on one? Did you promise them you would stick your fingers in your ass? What did you do when you were in One on One? What did you do Will? Do you regret it? Was it morally wrong to your family to do this?

Let me ask you a serious question? Will you ever tell your wife you did gay porn? Will you ever tell your kids you got paid to have guys jerk off while you gave them pleasure? This is something I could not do or live with because it would be against my morals. You are talking about morals here with Zango and all.... Hillarious... You have a family yet you got your start by getting guys off. This is just nuts to me. Literally!! to your ex customers....

Would you have done this if you didn't get paid good money to get guys off? If not, does that mean your moral judgement was persuaded by money? Wow!! This opens a HUGE can of worms here!!

you really feel that way? Morals include honesty , not stealing and you think they dont fit hmmmmmm

The availability of it to minors and the exploitation of women who might later regret it right there would count for less morals than a computer salesman. I don't know about a lawyer though ;)

Hrmm... because you keep focusing your attention on him and even went so far as to make an entire thread about him?

But just guessing. :winkwink:

LOL i bet it would make your day if i gave up on Zango, and I am sure all of your buddies would be happy to.

I am still thinking you are either DH or Lars, but that is just a shot in the dark.

I think it is funny that someone compares "morals" to not stealing from someone else (using zango) to "morals" of being a camhost. Not sure what one thing has to do with other but i think the stealing is worse then getting on cam though and i think 99.9% of the people here would agree with me on that.

I am not going to argue with you since you are fake nick and I can't win but it sounds like you must have paid to see one of my shows since you think you know what I did on camera :winkwink:

The threads point was he was annoyed by him. Not about what he has to say but the fact that he is saying the same thing everyday about the same subject and not doing a damn thing about it. It seems he is trying to get popularity through annoyancy.

this is true.. :thumbsup :thumbsup

Here, let me point something out to you....
TrafficHog history

Those first posts were way before you thought you could get people's attention by bitching about a something you will later take on as your only way you think you can gain popularity or respect(which is not happening by the way). Do any of the posts sound like some of the aformentioned names?

Yes, I think morals go across all areas and values in life. You did something that breaks a moral value of a straight guy. Are you straight? Something you might want to tell us? Or maybe your family? You can't pick and choose which morals are ok and which aren't. If you are a moral person you follow all the right paths or ways in a moral way. You don't say "I won't steal from someone, but I will kill someone with my gun if they look at me wrong". You can't differentiate one morality from the other. People who are true moral people will act moral in EVERY decision. NOT just the ones they pick and choose.

Oh, and by the way, using words like
That's like calling a Janitor a "waiste technician"
You were gay porn content. Content is concidered the lowest of the food chain in this industry. You weren't just content. You were gay content and you are a straight guy or not. You, according to any straight guy I have ever met, have thrown away your morals of being a straight guy to make a fast buck!. You might as well be on the street corner sucker cock illegally as a gay male prostitute. But that's not morally wrong to you???

Will, I was only speculating. Did you actually, really stick dildoes up your ass? Man...... The length you go to make a quick buck is unreal to me. My moral standards would not let me degrade myself for quick money. I just can't believe no one has hit on this subject this whole time you think you are on your high horse with morality. This whole time you have had a battery operated anal tickler playing with your ass while on your high horse. What feels better to you? Gallup? Trot? Canter? Or do you prefer the BUCK!!?

I really couldn't care what happens with Zango.
WG

Yeah you made like 3 posts a year ago then have made 75 posts about zango in the last couple months. You are definetly someone's fake nick.

since you seem to be so curious (possibly to fantasize about it ?) I neved used props of any kind. Getting naked and touching myself was more then enough to bring in top dollar :winkwink:

Sorry to let you down, i know you were hoping for a long detailed story of ass play so you could pleasure yourself to it later but, it didn't happen.

carryon now fake nick, see you next month for comic relief.

TrafficHog you're taking this too far, and what you've said reflects just what you think of the people you're promoting. If it weren't for them, your sites would be all text. No pretty girls to entice the surfer to sign up. Might want to give the "content" folks a little more respect.

As for Will being a camhost for 6 months, you have no idea what he did. He could have simply taken off his shirt for desperate housewives or jerked off for horny college girls. Again, you're taking it too far. And what does it matter, anyway? He did what he had to do to pay the bills. In my book, that's being responsible. He didn't break any laws, he didn't hurt anyone in any way (physically, emotionally, financially, politically, mentally, etc).

Either argue with the man's logic or let it drop... the stuff you've said in the last few posts is just classic high-school immature drivel.

Your right about this. My intent was to show Will what he did for money and not as a women would but something a normal straight guy would never do. Thus, breaking normal standing straight guy morals.
He insuated I watched his shows because I said he used dildoes. Now he is admitting to playing with himself. AND.... Come on now!!! It wasn't horny college girls!!!!!!!!!!!!! You really think horney college girls join to pay good money to see a guy wack off????? It's gay guys. Ask him. He will admit it!!

So doing what it takes to pay the bills is ok as long as it's LEGAL right? Let me readress that fact that advertising with Zango is 100% LEGAL!!

In highschool I learned this sentence is called an oxymoron


The man has no logic.

i could have promoted spyware and made a lot more money but I don't want to steal from people.

You can't reason with people like this. He is using a fake nick and he is getting off on causing shit and acting like a 10 year old. He is here to cause trouble not try to debate anything. It is a shame that some people are pussies and have to hide behind fake nicks.

Ok. So you ruled out I am not DH or Lars. You now have to actually respond to my comments instead of trying to twist it that I am someone else and you don't have to answer because it's pointless.
You must be real proud being such an enticing gay peformer. Never ever had to use a prop. Just your fingers... And how many times did you cum for a guy? Was it hard not picturing a guy at the other end jerking his meat watching you and typing gay comments to you or was this second nature? Since you have a wife and kids do you still have these gay tendencies or was that just something that you did for money and not something you would ever do unless money was on the table. If so, that just goes to show you sold out your morals for money. The people with intelligence that read your threads laugh. The sheep or less informed think you might be on to something. I wish those sheep knew your past history with gay porn and how this isn't really what you would do but you only did it because

Is that the same thought that might be pushing Adware companies forward? Do you think they would be doing what they do for free? Would you do gay porn for free? No, you sold out and were pursueded by money. So what is different here? I don't understand how you think one morality is 100% different than another.

Do you know how many poeple(powerful people) want to take down porn because they don't it's moral? But wait a minute it's legal..... But because some or a lot of people think it's immoral we should just shut it down right? What are your thoughts on that Wil? I really want to know....

Please post your picture for all of us to see since you are not a pussy and don't mind revealing your true identity.

Oh, and if you do . Would you have plans to go to any future Adult Internet shows?

you have too much time on your hands. Do you really think it bothers me what you are saying about the cam stuff ? Seriously, think about it. I am the one who mentioned it. If it bothered me what I did back in 99 for 6 months then I would have never mentioned it in the first place. I know you sitting there thinking, I am going to get this muther fucker yet, i am going to try to make him feel like shit, but you just make yourself (well your fake nick) look more and more like a moron. Not only does it not bother me what I did, but I don't care what other people think, muchless do I care what someone's alter ego, fake nick is posting.

So carry on. I am sure my reply here will get 2 or 3 more posts out of you.

----- sorry please continue, where did we leave off, butt plugs ? -----

You mean you could have tried to get people to promote spyware for you and you could have made a few bucks as a referral since you lack any skills of making your own money. But then again I don't think you are smart enought for that. Let me ask you how many people did you help with creatives for mailing? I know you worked with mailers..... Now, this was legal in 2004. But was it MORAL???

Ok fake nick is calling me out now :1orglaugh

Dude try posting with your real name, and then I will show you my pic.

I am starting to really think you are obsessed. First you want me to tell you details of gay stuff and now you want my picture. Fucking free loaders, why don't i just turn my cam on and you pay me for a show already, seems to be where you are heading and what you want. :1orglaugh

I've been to a few shows and i will go to more in the future. :2 cents:

please provide proof.