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Slick 12-13-2006 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11522923)
Just for shits and grins, since it's your ATTORNEY who got the email from DirectNic, what did the ATTORNEY advise you to do? Seems like the ATTORNEY is advising you to get the IDs, no?

The backseat lawyers need to be quiet and let the man get what he paid for when he got a real lawyer.

My attorney emailed them back to offer a list of the hosted galleries with thumbs and the sponsor that goes with them to see if they'll accept that, but he also said that I should work on trying to get the documents just in case.

pocketkangaroo 12-13-2006 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11522950)
The idiots that are fucking trolling, or simply kissing Mikes ass really need to shut the fuck up and THINK for a minute or two about the ramifications of this.

You can burn puppies in a giant fire pit and be praised if you bought someone a $2 Michelob Light. It's amazing how many people are supporting DirectNic when you really step back and look at what they are doing.

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:09 PM

The only thing I'd give them at this point is a fed ex delivery which contained the print out of the email they sent me that I'd wiped my ass with at least 4 times.

baddog 12-13-2006 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11522834)
I would comply for the sake of your domains. Then I'd move those domains off them as fast as possible. I couldn't fathom using them as a registrar after this.

precisely

Peaches 12-13-2006 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 11523011)
My attorney emailed them back to offer a list of the hosted galleries with thumbs and the sponsor that goes with them to see if they'll accept that, but he also said that I should work on trying to get the documents just in case.

Sounds logical to me. That's why you hired him/her. They have your best interests in mind. An annonymous GFY username does not :thumbsup

devilspost 12-13-2006 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11523005)
The fuck they can't set a precedent. If Slick puts up with this that is EXACTLY what they are doing.

Clueless dude.

In law, a precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court may need to adopt when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts. The term may also refer to the collective body of case law that a court should consider when interpreting the law. When a precedent establishes an important legal principle, or represents new or changed law on a particular issue, that precedent is often known as a landmark decision.

Dennis69 12-13-2006 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11522907)
Imma have to agree with every word of that.


Don't allow a dangerous precedent to be set here Slick.

Now that is a scary thought!!!

Peaches 12-13-2006 06:12 PM

Others have pointed out that several other registrars have the same verbiage in their TOS. DirectNic is probably MORE adult friendly by going to the webmaster first instead of turning it over immediately to a government agency.

JD 12-13-2006 06:13 PM

for the first time EVER I totally agree with JTF... wtf is this world coming too :(

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11523028)
In law, a precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court may need to adopt when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts. The term may also refer to the collective body of case law that a court should consider when interpreting the law. When a precedent establishes an important legal principle, or represents new or changed law on a particular issue, that precedent is often known as a landmark decision.

Well we arent talking about a fucking courtroom now are we?


Read the whole definition dude.



prec·e·dent /n. ˈprɛsɪdənt; adj. prɪˈsidnt, ˈprɛsɪdənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[n. pres-i-duhnt; adj. pri-seed-nt, pres-i-duhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun 1. Law. a legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases.
2. any act, decision, or case that serves as a guide or justification for subsequent situations.







You people amaze me. And not in a good way.

JD 12-13-2006 06:14 PM

50 domains hijacked?

edit: woo woo

baddog 12-13-2006 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11523028)
In law, a precedent or authority is a legal case establishing a principle or rule that a court may need to adopt when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts. The term may also refer to the collective body of case law that a court should consider when interpreting the law. When a precedent establishes an important legal principle, or represents new or changed law on a particular issue, that precedent is often known as a landmark decision.

Not every precedent is a "legal precedent." Stop making me side with JTF

will76 12-13-2006 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11522811)
Sue them.

I *think* you would have to wait till AFTER damages have occured. Like if he did not comply with their requests and they shut his sites down, and he lost " x " amount of money. I think all he could sue them for at this point is attorney fees, unless he can prove some other damages have occured. Since no one is saying bad things about him I don't think he can prove any type of defemation.

JD 12-13-2006 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11523076)
Not every precedent is a "legal precedent." Stop making me side with JTF


:1orglaugh feels dirty doesn't it...

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:20 PM

This is quite possibly the scariest fucking thing to happen in this industry in years and alot of you dumb fucks can't even begin to grasp why.

Un fucking Real.

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11523080)
I *think* you would have to wait till AFTER damages have occured. Like if he did not comply with their requests and they shut his sites down, and he lost " x " amount of money. I think all he could sue them for at this point is attorney fees, unless he can prove some other damages have occured. Since no one is saying bad things about him I don't think he can prove any type of defemation.

You're a clueless dipshit Will.

devilspost 12-13-2006 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11523050)
Well we arent talking about a fucking courtroom now are we?

Law is what we are talking about here.

sicone 12-13-2006 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11523026)
Sounds logical to me. That's why you hired him/her. They have your best interests in mind. An annonymous GFY username does not :thumbsup


Hey peahces... my neighbor, who works at taco bell and not the DOJ or any other government body, is requesting to see the ID of a girl in your program. I called a lawyer, he said I should contact you, get the ID's and comply with the requests.

Clearly this lawyer has my best interest in mind.

Will you please fax me over a current ID, phone number and any other contact info for that model so I can hand them over to my neighbor who again does not work for the DOJ.




While I understand your posts, please dont think that all of us are clueless as to how the law works. I do hope for slicks case that this lawyer that is helping him is experienced with the specific laws aimed at the adult business. And personally, I dont think is knows much at all about adult, otherwise he would have never advised him to start gathering the ID's.

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11523098)
Law is what we are talking about here.

Umm no we're not.


What we're talking about is Registrars acting arbitrarily.

devilspost 12-13-2006 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11523076)
Not every precedent is a "legal precedent." Stop making me side with JTF

If it aint legal it dont mean jack shit.

crockett 12-13-2006 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11523089)
This is quite possibly the scariest fucking thing to happen in this industry in years and alot of you dumb fucks can't even begin to grasp why.

Un fucking Real.


I agree with you. It doesn't have to happen in a court room. We are talking about company polices here not rules of law.

devilspost 12-13-2006 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11523120)
Umm no we're not.


What we're talking about is Registrars acting arbitrarily.

With a guys business and money. Property.

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11523121)
If it aint legal it dont mean jack shit.

Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?

devilspost 12-13-2006 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 11523125)
I agree with you. It doesn't have to happen in a court room. We are talking about company polices here not rules of law.

The policies have to be inside the law. If there is a question about it then it should go to court.

Peaches 12-13-2006 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sicone (Post 11523100)
Hey peahces... my neighbor, who works at taco bell and not the DOJ or any other government body, is requesting to see the ID of a girl in your program. I called a lawyer, he said I should contact you, get the ID's and comply with the requests.

Clearly this lawyer has my best interest in mind.

Will you please fax me over a current ID, phone number and any other contact info for that model so I can hand them over to my neighbor who again does not work for the DOJ.




While I understand your posts, please dont think that all of us are clueless as to how the law works. I do hope for slicks case that this lawyer that is helping him is experienced with the specific laws aimed at the adult business. And personally, I dont think is knows much at all about adult, otherwise he would have never advised him to start gathering the ID's.

DirectNic is asking for a photo ID with a birthdate on it. If you give me a fax number, I'll send you one of mine, OK? :)

Here's a hint - you're not going to know shit about me with a picture and a birthdate - except that I'm over 18 and when to buy me a gift (it's next week, BTW) :thumbsup

SiMpLe 12-13-2006 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 11522994)
Hey, kick ass man, thanks a million, I do greatly appreciate this :)

Replied - Make sure I'm white listed :upsidedow

I'm out for the night - PEACE

will76 12-13-2006 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 11522872)
Yeah, that's a good question. I hit up a couple of sponsors that I know well on ICQ, so we'll see if it's possible. If it is with them, I'll hit up the other sponsors that I have no connections with.

I'm curious. Say it was the police that were knocking on your door instead of Directnic (basically).

Police: We want to see your 2257 records for your site we have a complaint of CP on your site. .
You: I don't have any I don't own those images.
Police: You put them on your site and you are hosting them, where is the paper work.
You: Let me call the affiliate companies that own them and get you the paperwork.

And that would be the last thing you would be saying as they drag you to jail. Then they would proceed to ransack your house/office, take computer equipment, etc..

Would this go any differently ?

Perhaps:
You: I don't own the pictures i dont have the paperwork.
Police: sorry for bothering you, can you point us in the right direction of who does own them?

Or

You: I don't own the pictures I don't have any paperwork.
Police: You put them on your site and you are hosting them, where is the paper work.
You: but there is an injuction, I am in the FSC.
Police: oh, ok we will go then we can't investigate CP if the person is in the FSC. We will be back when the injunction is lifted. You better hope the girls have reached 18 by then :1orglaugh


Anyone of you who uses young questionable content ever think this through ?

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11523089)
This is quite possibly the scariest fucking thing to happen in this industry in years and alot of you dumb fucks can't even begin to grasp why.

Un fucking Real.

Read this again, idiots.

Peaches 12-13-2006 06:31 PM

The probable outcome I see is fewer and fewer registars willing to provide domains with adult material on them, just like hosting and billing companies have been doing for years. At some point, risk overtakes rewards.

sicone 12-13-2006 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11523121)
If it aint legal it dont mean jack shit.

I will agree you to a small extent... but

laws are made and cases won or lost based on the actions of previous people in the same situation and decisions made on how to handle the situation.

If Slick lays down and complies, every other registrar can quickly start doing the same thing and will use the reason of... 'direct NIC vs Slick'.

but lets forget about registrars for a moment and think about what the government will do if Slick lays down and gives in...

they already think that as a industry we are cowards and not willing to fight for our rights

boneprone 12-13-2006 06:34 PM

What if one of the galleries is of say Paris Hilton??

How would you get an ID for her???

It would be impossible..

I mean we all know she is over 21, but how would you get an id to prove it??

Furthermore we all know the models in question are over 18 coming from sponsors like nscash, etc, but he's required to prove it.

What if he cant get one of the ID''s?? Then what??

The dude from ponopushers posted above a comment like " whould you give your shit up" refering to he wouldnt give someone like slick ids..

which would leave him fucked..

Time for me to do some house cleaning.. Promoting sponsors only who I know will give me id's in a time of need..

devilspost 12-13-2006 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11523156)
Read this again, idiots.

DirectNIC wants to be the test (gfy court)case on this? LOL I think I know the outcome, nobody will use the service and no other register will do the same dumb shit.

BoyAlley 12-13-2006 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11523089)
This is quite possibly the scariest fucking thing to happen in this industry in years and alot of you dumb fucks can't even begin to grasp why.

Un fucking Real.

God damn it, now even I am agreeing with JimTheFiend. Fucking hell!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by devilspost (Post 11523194)
DirectNIC wants to be the test (gfy court)case on this? LOL I think I know the outcome, nobody will use the service and no other register will do the same dumb shit.

Now you're starting to make a little sense, dude.

This is a scary ass fucking situation. Period.

sicone 12-13-2006 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11523198)
God damn it, now even I am agreeing with JimTheFiend. Fucking hell!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Scary day isnt it :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

will76 12-13-2006 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend (Post 11522950)
I did IMMEDIATELY. That's why I jumped Will's ass so hard over his fucking little whiny fucking clueless thread about this issue. (That and I just plain hate his ass.)

The idiots that are fucking trolling, or simply kissing Mikes ass really need to shut the fuck up and THINK for a minute or two about the ramifications of this.

This is BAD, mmkay.


Oh Jimmie finanlly said something of substance and people agree with him. So he tries to twist into saying i did something wrong? moron, lol.

One thing has nothing to do with the other. There is the issue, here of whether a register has the right to ask for docs. The issue I brought up was different, do affiliates feel safe using content that is "questionable" with out having docs.

I didn't expect you to see the difference, just don't want anyone else to be missguided here.

sicone 12-13-2006 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11523182)
What if one of the galleries is of say Paris Hilton??

How would you get an ID for her???

It would be impossible..

I mean we all know she is over 21, but how would you get an id to prove it??

Furthermore we all know the models in question are over 18 coming from sponsors like nscash, etc, but he's required to prove it.

What if he cant get one of the ID''s?? Then what??

The dude from ponopushers posted above a comment like " whould you give your shit up" refering to he wouldnt give someone like slick ids..

which would leave him fucked..

Time for me to do some house cleaning.. Promoting sponsors only who I know will give me id's in a time of need..


I seriously doubt many sponsors would hand over IDs to us. Even to those who have been around for years and are known by all

Slick 12-13-2006 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SiMpLe (Post 11523153)
Replied - Make sure I'm white listed :upsidedow

I'm out for the night - PEACE

Got it, thanks again, you're the best :)

jimthefiend 12-13-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11523208)
The issue I brought up was different, do affiliates feel safe using content that is "questionable" with out having docs.

God you're pathetic.


Dude I can find 50 bitches who look 17 with just a half hours browsing on that POS cam site you promote. How the FUCK is that any different?



Just die Will. Please.

Theo 12-13-2006 06:45 PM

now let's hope Slick your tgp doesn't rotate thumbs every hour ;-)


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