As far as taking this to court goes, I myself don't like to be put in the spotlight, so I think that's the last thing I'd want to do at this point. The fact that my sites weren't taken down and everything is running is the main thing. If they eventually do take the sites down, that'll definately be a different story.

I will donate money to a legal fund for you should it come to that.

rofl, ha ha ha :) It actually does update quite often. I do have a list of the current top galleries 14 that I saved and already got the info for.

Thanks Jim, I appreciate the offer :)

I'd do the same thing.. with a nice 'fuck you' on the way out

XPays could deliver the necessary documents in a heartbeat. Also we host all of the Images. This was not a very good example because seeing as how we are talking about one of the 2 biggest pornstars in history-- you know we all have our doc's in order. XPays affiliates are SAFE!

So what ? Perhaps a "pattern" would have been a better word to use but what you are stating is the obvious. If he complies then they are likely to do this again to someone else in similar situation. If he doesn't comply and fights it and wins in court then he would be setting a precedent. If he fought it and won then they would be unlikely to do this again.

You state the obvious and people are make it sound like you figured something brillant out. Big surprise, if he complies they will likely do it again. wow shocking.

until they get another complaint and you have to go through this shit again.

Drama queen! calm down.

Directnic asking to see legal docs is not even close to issues like .xxx and new 2257 regulations, etc...

IF, this escalates to a legal battle and directnic wins, then it would be something to get excited about. I doubt it will come to that and is a long was from that right.

And please, don't reply " You are stupid" Unless you want to explain what it is I am saying that you disagree with, Simply saying "you are stupid" is exactly the reason NO ONE gives you any credit for possibly having some intelligence. Making comments like that just make *you* look stupid jimmie.

Seems to me like it's in the best interest of everyone involved to get those IDs to DirectNIC and then forget about this one time incident.

Sure, he could give them the finger. That is another option, but with that comes the risk of the FBI showing up at his place to do a 2257 check on records he doesn't have. Then what?

I don't know who his sponsors are or if they are in the US, but if they are providing explicit content to affiliates without age docs then that could be a problem. That's why a number of sponsors have placed restrictions on affiliate use of their explicit promo content.

I'd agree that it's not the registrar's position to demand ID's, but the only alternative is they report him to the FBI and then shut him down entirely. What would the people of GFY have said about that?

Someone really opened a can of worms with this one.

Then you switch companies... no big deal. It becomes a big deal when it is a law and you are forced to adhere to it . :2 cents:

i got 5 on it also.. after readin this ..its time i look at all the domains i own...

Anyone else use sibername.com? First time I've heard of them and would like some feedback.

I'm also curious as to how exactly it affects THEM (DN) if someone has CP on a domain that was bought from DN? #1. DN is NOT hosting the shit. #2. They are just a registrar and not responsible for the content of someone's website(s). So how can they be held liable for any of this?

I guess by that I can be a car salesman and some idio buys a car from me, goes out driving one night drunk and with guns. He does a bunch of drive-by shootings killing 100's of people yet I will be the one held responsible? I think not.

Now, if they allowed people to register domains through them like childsex.com, kiddyporn.com or other shit like that than I can see them shutting the account down and deleting the domain. Other than that, this, to me, is a load of shit.

Keyword here: THEY CAN NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTENT OF ANY WEBSITE THAT IS HOSTED WITH A HOSTING PROVIDER THAT IS NOT THEM!

how hard is that to comprehend?

I guess any Joe Blow can make any false complaints to kill their competition and they will, in most cases, get their way. Think about it for a second.

Damn Nancy, you working over time to get your sig views in. Are you getting ready to take off for a few weeks and trying to get them all in now?

I think everyone saw that post (like 4 posts up) but thanks for pointing it out again.

Go drink some beer and kick the cat, chill or something.

I know " I am stupid". thanks for filling me in.

you have to understand that the precedent that they will set will be that every other registrar will follow what they did and in the end it will become a HUGE legal disaster. Is it that hard to see that? 1 big fish does it and the rest think it's the way to go. So now they are ALL doing it. They all get so many complaints, lawyers involed, fbi etc.. Ya, that'll be so much fun. And in 98% of the case it will be due to FALSE complaints just to cripple the competition.

DirectNIC HAS NO JURISDICTION IN ASKING FOR PICTURE ID'S. If they think a certain site/image is questionable, they need to report it to the proper authorities (the FBI and/or the DOJ) PERIOD.
They are doing this drama bullshit for sig views.
READ THE FUCKING LAWS PEOPLE!

just started reading this but....PLEASE tell me you are getting paper mail on this vs email? Email is easily spoofable....

AWSOME!! :thumbsup :thumbsup

Its good to know that XPAYS has our back if a time in need were to arise!

Evan, bad example I used there.. Im just so mind boggled here on whats going on..

I know you guys would have our back.. You guys are great.

that is 100% not true. The only thing this will affect will be Slick, and if he gives them what they are asking, likely the next person who is in his situation.

Do you really think Godady is watching this saying " well if Slick gives it up, green light for us boys! we going to do it too." You under estimate that these companies have legal teams for a reason. Also, the FSC said that directnic has no chance. I am sure Godaddy's lawyers will tell them the same. I highly doubt another register will change their policy until this is tested by law.

Times are definitely changing and hope to meet you at Internext :thumbsup

Perhaps this is a nice big window of opportunity to corner tgp sponsors for doc's. or, use fhg's ?? Whenever there is change, there is a ripe opportunity. Or am I just an optimist.... anyway, best of luck to all!

Jesus you are a fucking moron. Do you understand what is going on here? Listen closely moron, now I know why you reply back with comments like ' you are retarted". When you actually try to make an argument you prove you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

Jimmie, Slick is using nude content that he got from his sponsor on his site.

You search ifriends.net and say you see girls that look 17 and then say " how is that any different".

There is a huge difference. The content is no on my site. I am not hosting the images. Do you fucking understand the difference of hosting images and having them on your site?

How about instead of yelling at people what you *think* is right, YOU go do some reading...
Here, I'll help.

This is section 9 of DirectNic's Terms of Service, a legal and binding contract to which Slick agreed when he registered his domains with them:
Right there is your "jurisdiction" - it's simple contract law. Agreed to by both parties involved in this situation.

there is NO WAY that will happen. The others would wait for directnic to be eventually sued and then wait to see what happens in court. While they are waiting for them to be sued they would accept all of the people leaving directnic and make more money from them. It's not like slick gives in then tomorrow godaddy and everyone else is going to do the same thing. Please see my post a few up about this.

NO WAY that happens.

For the same reason processors can be held liable for processing CP sites that people have made them aware of.

I'm confused here. Model IDs on their own prove nothing other than the date of birth of the model amd the age of the model currently. Without the date of production you cannot prove how old the model was when the content was shot.

I should note that all ICS records include dates of production.

ALot of great points made here......

slick tell your attorney i would also like a copy of the models id's , home phone number and panties color please.. :winkwink:

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i will ask someone else :)

you are 100 % correct .

But also, it is not the registrar business... to enforce a law such as 2257 ( after all, this is what it is about ).

Well, maybe you should look into the laws. You are not obligated to give ANYONE access to the documents unless they are acting in behalf of the DOJ and/or the FBI.
It seems that DirectNIC's TOS VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW!
They have no fucking jurisdiction. Now STFU.

ROFL, ha ha ha, ok, I'll get that info for ya :)

directnic is one of the worst registars...ever since they took one of my domains in 2000....

Is this really a violation of Federal law? Is there a Federal law in the US that says you cannot legally hand over such documents? I know the UK has such a law; In fact, the UK laws conflict with the US 2257 laws.

At the same time, if someone reported this to DirecNic, are they not legally obligated to report it? Perhaps we should consider ourselves lucky that DirectNic didn't just file a report with local law enforcement......

I admit it's an odd situation. I'm wondering why DirectNic is so concerned about this.

I find very questionable that a " somebody " reported possible CP to DirectNic...
Much more plausible would be a competitor that did that ... I know of nobody in my family that even know that registrars exists...

DirectNic should have reported it to the authorities, if they felt that there was a crime being commited...

If I think that, in the house across the street, a crime is being commited ( CP, house invasion. etc ...) I will not do my own investigation; I will call 911 !

:2 cents:

he is already supposed to have this documentation as per current laws. saying "i can't comply" is like saying "DOJ, FBI, please come arrest me now"

well... the turd above you is confused and the fact of the matter is that "2257" should have never been used in any of these conversations because they were simply asking for proof of age of the models in question - pic/date of birth on an official ID.

it seems logical to me that asking for the info has absolutely nothing to do with federal privacy law from DirectNIC's standpoint... giving that info out is where you would most likely get into trouble. i can ask you to land your helicopter on the white house lawn. ... you can choose to do it. i won't be the one getting gang raped in the prison shower that evening.

as far as i know... US privacy laws have zero to do with foreign citizens. if you were from the UK and i demanded the ID's with all personally identifiable info of your neighbors and you gave it to me, it would be you that gets in trouble in the UK for breaking UK laws... not me for asking for it in the US.

Well, from my and my attorney's understandings, yes it is a clear violation...as you or only required to give access to the documents "to the Office of the United States Attorney General, or his designated representative, or as otherwise required by a governmental authority of competent jurisdiction pursuant to valid process."

By DirectNIC asking to physically see the documents they are impersonating those officials...and I believe impersonating a government official holds a minimum of 10 years in prison.

Now, we're not for certain that it's a "clear violation" to access the documents if you are not gov. officials, BUT by trying to force someone to give them access IS clearly impersonating a government official (as only government officials have the right to do so).

i think you are mistaken. the current 2257 legislation takes that into full account and as a secondary producer, you are liable for what is shown on your pages.



(2) A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles,
manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book,
magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digitally- or computer-
manipulated image, picture, or other matter intended for commercial
distribution that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being
engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a
computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the
sexually explicit content of a computer site or service that contains a
visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually
explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract,
agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.

Sadly, the directfiesta's of the world will never understand simple concisely written concepts like this one.