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scardog 12-14-2006 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529243)

Directnic ain't the police... but you cannot find any justifiable reason why they should offer service to these sites, given what they know and the complant(s) they apparently have in hand.
They should not offer service. They should make them go to a different registrar and report possible violations to the authorities. Locking the domains is a police action.

crockett 12-14-2006 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529140)
Yup, simple principal: Less CP is good. Less links to CP is good.

Simple, no?
I can see talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.. Out of all the posts you are posting in.. Why is it you can't reply to my post in this topic?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=686735&page=4

gfx3 12-14-2006 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11528764)
I just got off of the phone with Chris from Moniker. I have decided to move all of my domains, from various registrars, over to them.

Full Disclosure: I know no one from Moniker, from DirectNic, or from any other registrar for that matter. Up until today I've never registered a domain at Moniker. This is a business decision on my part based on the actions and policies of the registrars as I understand them to be.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd see the day where a REGISTRAR would take unilateral action against a site in this way, and honestly haven't paid much attention to where my domains were registered up until now.

Chris has assured me that under NO circumstances would Moniker, or has Moniker, ever shut a site down due to the content it contains. He said their job is simply to maintain the registration of domains, and that they have no legal liability for the content appearing on them, and will assume no liability for it either.

DirectNic has a policy in place as I understand it, to shut down domains that contain, what they deem, to be "illegal content", and has demonstrated these past couple of days, that they act upon that policy.

Moniker's policy as stated to me is that if a complaint comes in, they forward it to the domain owner, and that's the end of their responsibility, and that's the only action that they take, unless they are served a court order compelling them to do otherwise.

I'm not saying that the folks at DirectNic are bad people, and by many of the comments I've read on here, they actually seem to be really good people. But their company has a policy in place that I don't agree with, and that I personally feel is against the best interests of not only the adult industry, but of the entire foundation of the internet as a whole.

As such, I'll have nothing to do with them.

I do not, under any stretch of the imagination, condone CP, or running a site that contains any illegal content. What I do condone, however, is due process.
If you had all your domain names spread over different registrars you were better of than you are now. :2 cents:

borked 12-14-2006 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529180)
Yup, simple litmus test: who is willing to tolerate CP "on principal"?

What ramifications are you implying? That this industry might actually do something to control itself before the feds come in and really put a stick in our wheels? That we might each take a little personal responsibility, and understand that not everything is about bizarre absolutes of "not proven illegal in a court of law...yet".

Everyone seems to be making out like Directnic woke up one morning and decides "let's go close down some domains for fun!". That doesn't appear to be the case, but I know it makes for some good drama for the llamas around here.
Am I allowed a website to host pictures of my naked kids without fear of losing my money-making domains?

LadyMischief 12-14-2006 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11528827)
Cool. Now all the CP folks know where to register their domains. :Oh crap


That comment is totally uncalled for. You scream and yell at people who wrongfully claim CP, but you are insinuating it yourself. I had thought better of you Peaches, but you are being quite unreasonable. You need to realize that the people who are NOT agreeing with the decisions of DirectNIC and are taking action are doing so because their business is threatened. Are you trying to insinuate that simply because they choose to disagree with the way the DN situation was handled, they are handling CP? Very narrowminded and I'm highly disappointed in this.

LadyMischief 12-14-2006 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11528897)
That's IF someone reports it to the FBI and not to Moniker. If someone reports CP that's on a Moniker domain to Moniker, they have stated "...they have no legal liability for the content appearing on them, and will assume no liability for it either." which seems to me, includes reporting said domains to the appropriate authorities.
Pardon me, but I do believe a law was JUST passed (and is the foundation for the actions of DirectNIC at this time) that makes it an obligation of the registrar to report "illegal content" to proper authorities? THAT is what the chain of obligation is. That has NOTHING to do with "investigating" it themselves, and gives them absolutely NO right to ask for ID's of a third party (which is illegal in MOST cases anyways unless you are a government official/organization. I figured Mike was into politics but...). Think hard, Peaches about the approach you're taking here, and maybe talk to a lawyer yourself about the actuality of the situation.

Peaches 12-14-2006 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 11529279)
Over 95% of the spam I get comes from Moniker registered, hosted, &/or owned domains.
Interesting

LadyMischief, I'm also going by what Chris with Moniker has been posting, not just that one comment by BoyAlley. He's made it pretty clear that he'd be hands off as far as questionable content on domains on his registrar is concerned.

Webby 12-14-2006 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529243)
Good, so we can all sit on our asses and link to CP sites and share in the traffic and the profits until the relevant authority DECIDES to do something about it (which can take freaking years... please check out the last few CP raids... average of X years from detection to action).
No.. It's none of you business. Don't you understand???

If you want to report criminal offenses - feel free. That is the limit of your authority.

OK Alex - I'll answer this is a little more detail and maybe just give you a clue.

Whether you think so or not, LE are well aware of what you describe as "CP" - the real term is child abuse. It may also have passed your mind that there are other implications to the aura of child abuse, - not just "Oh.. look at him - he's got a CP image on his website! Least I think it is." Big friggin deal.

LE act in their own time schedule for valid reasons. They are not obliged to discuss their operations with you or any adult webmaster - nor DirectNic.

This can involve joint action with several nations and is not limited to imaging, but more concerned with actual physical abuse, child murders, missing children and monitoring known individuals - often for years. LE are well-aware of many 1000's of names, associations and activities of persons (not necessarily "sex offenders"). If you reported an offense, the chances are the name is already known and being worked on. One incident fairly close to home on GFY was an ongoing operation for about four years and involved four nations and the murders of at least two children plus others who have not been found.

I could provide more information, but have no intention of doing so. Could also pass your concern on to LE working in this field, but doubt this would be appreciated - they are too fucking busy to bother with idiots.

Got to say man, if you were around LE, you'd be told to shut the fuck up and mind your own business. If you want to report an offense - do so, then stay out of it.

BoyAlley 12-14-2006 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 11529395)
Pardon me, but I do believe a law was JUST passed (and is the foundation for the actions of DirectNIC at this time) that makes it an obligation of the registrar to report "illegal content" to proper authorities?
Actually, no such law has been passed. A law like that has been PROPOSED by John McCain, but it's not even been submitted yet, and most believe will never make its way out of committee.

BoyAlley 12-14-2006 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11529429)
Got to say man, if you were around LE, you'd be told to shut the fuck up and mind your own business. If you want to report an offense - do so, then stay out of it.
As someone who use to consult for the FBI, and whose partner is in LE, let me tell you that you're 100% correct.

Sometimes arbitrarily shutting down a domain can SERIOUSLY hinder active on going investigations.

Report it to the FBI, and let them deal with it how they see fit. They take CP VERY seriously, and aren't just going to "sit on things" for no reason.

As Webby said, one of the primary goals is to find the children that are actually suffering from abuse, and stop that abuse from happening. That can't always be done if the site is shut down before they've had time to start their investigations.

Webby 12-14-2006 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11529473)
As someone who use to consult for the FBI, and whose partner is in LE, let me tell you that you're 100% correct.

Sometimes arbitrarily shutting down a domain can SERIOUSLY hinder active on going investigations.

Report it to the FBI, and let them deal with it how they see fit. They take CP VERY seriously, and aren't just going to "sit on things" for no reason.

As Webby said, one of the primary goals is to find the children that are actually suffering from abuse, and stop that abuse from happening. That can't always be done if the site is shut down before they've had time to start their investigations.
Hehe.. It's a small world BA :)

You hit the nail on the head - it is not a wonderful idea to bomb in and complain to hosts or whoever and have a website closed and the operators warned - far better to report the offense direct and say nothing to anyone :thumbsup

LadyMischief 12-14-2006 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11529444)
Actually, no such law has been passed. A law like that has been PROPOSED by John McCain, but it's not even been submitted yet, and most believe will never make its way out of committee.
Ahh that's the status.. So even less of a reason for things to be kosher? Wow.

LadyMischief 12-14-2006 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11529473)
As someone who use to consult for the FBI, and whose partner is in LE, let me tell you that you're 100% correct.

Sometimes arbitrarily shutting down a domain can SERIOUSLY hinder active on going investigations.

Report it to the FBI, and let them deal with it how they see fit. They take CP VERY seriously, and aren't just going to "sit on things" for no reason.

As Webby said, one of the primary goals is to find the children that are actually suffering from abuse, and stop that abuse from happening. That can't always be done if the site is shut down before they've had time to start their investigations.
Something close to what I said when this all first broke. If it was a CP operation they are well aware that someone is onto them now and it's time to move shop again.

Peaches 12-14-2006 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 11529543)
Something close to what I said when this all first broke. If it was a CP operation they are well aware that someone is onto them now and it's time to move shop again.
Gee, do you think maybe that's why DirectNic locked the domains?? :thumbsup

BoyAlley 12-14-2006 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11529552)
Gee, do you think maybe that's why DirectNic locked the domains?? :thumbsup
That has nothing to do with the host account, where all of the log files are actually stored, that would need to be accessed to find out the history of the site, how it was operated, who operated it, so on and so forth.

By putting a registrar lock on the domains, the hat is tipped to the individuals involved, and all of that evidence can quickly vanish, along with the people that run it.

The Feds can install taps to actively watch those administering a site, assuming they're still doing so, and haven't abandoned it because some registrar like DirectNic sent them an e-mail and locked their domains.

LadyMischief 12-14-2006 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11529552)
Gee, do you think maybe that's why DirectNic locked the domains?? :thumbsup
I highly doubt that if it was done in conjunction with some kind of hardcore investigation, they would have given indication of that to their offenders. They would have simply gone in and arrested them, would they not? In MikeAI's statement after this they didn't say that they KNEW there was CP on the site, only that they were investigating it. If it were about some CP ring, this was handled the WORST way possible... and besides, do you REALLY think Slick would have come to GFY looking for some help? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Peaches 12-14-2006 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 11529569)
and besides, do you REALLY think Slick would have come to GFY looking for some help? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
In all fairness, after watching this unfold, it's my personal opinion that Slick isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

chodadog 12-14-2006 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11529414)
Interesting

LadyMischief, I'm also going by what Chris with Moniker has been posting, not just that one comment by BoyAlley. He's made it pretty clear that he'd be hands off as far as questionable content on domains on his registrar is concerned.
Is english not your first language or something? He said they have no legal liability for what's contained on domains registered with them. That does not mean they will not pass the complaint onto the authorities. I'm not saying they will, because i don't know, but you're making a whole lot of assumptions in this thread and you're doing so without any evidence. Based on what BoyAlley said about Moniker, the only thing you can assume is that they will not conduct any investigations or shut anyone's domains down. That job is for the relevant authorities to perform.

And i have to laugh at how "interesting" spacedog's 95% statistic is. Spacedog. I don't think i need to comment any further about that one.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:17 PM
Webby, wonderful speech... save it for when the reporters come asking.

Don't play me for a fool. I know that CP comes from child abuse, well, DUH! You think the images were drawn by hand? Children were abused in the makings of CP. No shit sherlock. I am impressed with your overwhelming, huge, mind numbing jump of logic... I had to sit down and catch my breath after that one.

But your logic goes to shit pretty quickly. If the registrar doesn't care, and the host turns a blind eye, and the processor don't care and the the people linking to the shit don't care... well, there will be a whole lot more of it, and more people will be exposed to it and people who thought it wasn't acceptable might think it is and start looking at younger girls and boys as "entertainment" rather than children.

Turning a blind eye, permitting, or tolerating this stuff is just not right. You may think that Directnic has no right in law to do what they do... I tell you, as people, they have a moral obligation to act.

You can dance on the head of a pin and play legal tiddly winks until the cows come home, but at the end of the day, if we tolerate it, then it is likely more children will be abused.

The rest of this discussion is all so fucking pointless compared to that simple issue.

Carrie 12-14-2006 06:24 PM
I would have asked Chris why there is a clear statement in Moniker's TOS speaking to the issue of illegal activity, the ability to free/lock a domain, and the ability to "investigate" illegal activity if what he told you is actually their stance on the matter.

I would also consider that Chris is speaking these things without an FBI agent right next to him telling him to lock the domain so that it cannot be transferred out of the States and US jurisdiction. If that were to happen, he would have nothing to give him 14 days to notify you and let you do what you want, as the contract that you and Moniker agreed to clearly states that they can lock your domain immediately for whatever reason. It says nothing about giving you a 14-day leeway (that I saw, anyway). So I expect his story would change quite drastically if the FBI contacted him and told him to lock it.

chodadog 12-14-2006 06:24 PM
RawAlex, go to the galleries in question. Look at the galleries he is linking to and see for yourself where the content is coming from. It's all from legit sponsors that you yourself probably use. I've seen galleries from NS Cash, Lightspeed, Bang Bros, Jason & Alex just to name a few. I haven't come across a single questionable gallery yet.

DirectNic's only job in this situation should be to pass the complaint onto the authorities. This guy's business is being fucked with and he's not doing anything wrong. Anybody with teen content on their website could get fucked over with spurious claim. Great way to deal with competitors.

Webby 12-14-2006 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529715)

Don't play me for a fool. I know that CP comes from child abuse, well, DUH! You think the images were drawn by hand? Children were abused in the makings of CP. No shit sherlock. I am impressed with your overwhelming, huge, mind numbing jump of logic... I had to sit down and catch my breath after that one.
If you find "CP" report it, shut up and mind your own business. It's not a debate.

Agent 488 12-14-2006 06:29 PM
can we have one thread without the fucking Directnic bots in here?!????

Carrie 12-14-2006 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529715)
You can dance on the head of a pin and play legal tiddly winks until the cows come home, but at the end of the day, if we tolerate it, then it is likely more children will be abused.
Damn straight. Hi Alex! :thumbsup

The funny thing is, if DN had contacted Slick and said "we find your domains to be conducting in activities which we do not want associated with our business, and ask that you transfer your domains elsewhere within 10 days of receipt of this letter", people would *still* be all pissed off and acting like the sky was falling and saying that DN had no legal right to... DN should be sued for... blah blah blah.

Agent 488 12-14-2006 06:32 PM
funny how the Directnic bots haven't communicated with Directnic "for years" but all have intimate knowledge of every move Directnic makes ...

doesn't matter - cuz every adult webmaster worth their salt will be moving their domains and will never register one with them in the future - why would they?

:321GFY

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11529808)
funny how the Directnic bots haven't communicated with Directnic "for years" but all have intimate knowledge of every move Directnic makes ...

doesn't matter - cuz every adult webmaster worth their salt will be moving their domains and will never register one with them in the future - why would they?

:321GFY
Bud, all I can say is this: I have known Mike and Sig and many of the people over at Intercosmos since pretty much when I started in this business. I don't always agree with them, but they don't do illogical things very often.

Knowing only what has been put on the boards, I can pretty much guess at the process, and because of their background in law and business, I can take a pretty solid guess at where they are sitting.

Nothing more than that. That any number of people come in here and tell you the same thing is not because of some great conpiracy or network of talking points, but because people who have been around a long, long time, understand how people will react.

Do you know what the AI is in MikeAI? if you don't, you should brush up on history.

Webby 12-14-2006 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11529788)
can we have one thread without the fucking Directnic bots in here?!????
:1orglaugh :thumbsup

The concern of adult webmasters for children is begining to get obnoxious.. "Quick.. that looks like a link to CP - get the registrar to ban the domain! We can't tolerate this kinda stuff - it's illegal!" DUH??? Attempted group think can get very sad :disgust

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 11529765)
RawAlex, go to the galleries in question. Look at the galleries he is linking to and see for yourself where the content is coming from. It's all from legit sponsors that you yourself probably use. I've seen galleries from NS Cash, Lightspeed, Bang Bros, Jason & Alex just to name a few. I haven't come across a single questionable gallery yet.

DirectNic's only job in this situation should be to pass the complaint onto the authorities. This guy's business is being fucked with and he's not doing anything wrong. Anybody with teen content on their website could get fucked over with spurious claim. Great way to deal with competitors.
Chowdadog, I looked at the galleries. Me as a porn guy I can identify many of the models. But the problem comes that some of them I can't, and I can't get past the 99% skim to see them.

99% of the time, I ended up much, much closer to CP, and where I didn't find CP, I found toolbars, codec installers, and 101 other pieces of bullshit.

The general public looking at that site will scream "CP!", and that is what is truly not good about those sites.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11529853)
:1orglaugh :thumbsup

The concern of adult webmasters for children is begining to get obnoxious.. "Quick.. that looks like a link to CP - get the registrar to ban the domain! We can't tolerate this kinda stuff - it's illegal!" DUH??? Attempted group think can get very sad :disgust
Ahh, so if they want to trade links with you, no problem... it's not your job to police the internet, right?

I have a zango install page I would love to trade traffic with you on... Geez!

Agent 488 12-14-2006 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529840)
Do you know what the AI is in MikeAI? if you don't, you should brush up on history.
yeah i'm starting to get a clue - AI stands for artificial intelligence - for all the fucking BOTS in here -

Agent 488 12-14-2006 06:47 PM
at this point - who gives a shit - what's going to happen is going to happen -

but no one in their right mind in adult will keep or register domains with direct inc ever again - end of story.

Webby 12-14-2006 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529873)
Ahh, so if they want to trade links with you, no problem... it's not your job to police the internet, right?

I have a zango install page I would love to trade traffic with you on... Geez!
Kinda don't wander into your fantasy world of assumptions - they would be incorrect.

Quote:
99% of the time, I ended up much, much closer to CP, and where I didn't find CP, I found toolbars, codec installers, and 101 other pieces of bullshit.

The general public looking at that site will scream "CP!", and that is what is truly not good about those sites.
You are constantly trolling these threads advocating shit about DirectNIC and whining about "CP". If you have found "CP" on the galleries - what exactly do you intend to do about it - other than whining on GFY? Report it to DirectNic?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11529878)
yeah i'm starting to get a clue - AI stands for artificial intelligence - for all the fucking BOTS in here -
As opposed to your real unintelligence? I understand. I think I hear you mother calling.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:48 PM
Webby, I have been reporting CP since before you could find the internet. Don't lecture when you don't know.

Agent 488 12-14-2006 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529890)
As opposed to your real unintelligence? I understand. I think I hear you mother calling.
whatever son.

Webby 12-14-2006 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529894)
Webby, I have been reporting CP since before you could find the internet. Don't lecture when you don't know.
SO?? Have you done something about the galleries you are complaining about or not?? Or do you plan to simply continue whining about "CP" and the glories of DirectNic?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:54 PM
Webby, what I personally have done is none of your business. Why don't you join me in reporting them, rather than playing legal tiddlywinks?

Webby 12-14-2006 06:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529894)
Webby, I have been reporting CP since before you could find the internet.
BTW - classic beyond belief - tho you would not know :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Agent 488 12-14-2006 06:55 PM
i'm sure you have all the 2257 docs on hand?

http://porniki.com/Category:Galleries

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:58 PM
bud, surprisingly, I have a very completely list of all 2257 here. Thanks for asking.

Webby 12-14-2006 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529924)
Webby, what I personally have done is none of your business.
Good... I personally don't want to know what you have done. It is also getting boring watching a bot whining all thru threads about DirectNic and "CP" - Can you not let anyone know your thoughts on either? It's getting embarassing.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 06:59 PM
Oh yeah, Bud, btw, for what it is worth, you don't need 2257 documents for pages you link to... Geez.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 07:01 PM
Webby, stop bashing, and people stop bashing back. It's late over there, isn't it? You should take a break.

Webby 12-14-2006 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11529960)
Webby, stop bashing, and people stop bashing back. It's late over there, isn't it? You should take a break.
Na... Momma lets up stay up after 8pm :winkwink:

jonesy 12-14-2006 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11528827)
Cool. Now all the CP folks know where to register their domains. :Oh crap
another inane statement.

youve got to be one of the most mentally challenged people ive seen post at this board

did you even think before you posted this?

next time you have a thought - do humanity a favor - let it go.

CaptainHowdy 12-14-2006 07:18 PM
Thanks for the heads up, BA!

BoyAlley 12-14-2006 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 11530046)
Thanks for the heads up, BA!
Just remember breeders, teh gay homosexual's always got your back. :winkwink:

John69 12-14-2006 07:23 PM
what a waste of time.

jonesy 12-14-2006 07:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11530068)
Just remember breeders, teh gay homosexual's always got your back. :winkwink:
is that a double entendre?:1orglaugh

jonesy 12-14-2006 07:25 PM
101 homosexuals moving their ghey domains


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