The US invited themself into Iraq, nothing else! If the UN had decided it the whole world would be fine with it, but that way ......... it smells bad...... and will smell bad forever.

Im not one of those "blood for oil" whiny guys, and I really couldnt care less who the current american president is, because I pretty much dont belive he has a much "creative control" as everyone thinks he does. Bush being a prime example.

No, he didnt kill all the men of military age (and you should really be looking to the russians for that one and their parties in Ukraine, much better example), he DID loot it (to an extent ofcource, and in creative ways), he didnt rape the women and he didnt set fire to the oil wells. He did yoink quite a few of them though, in creative ways ofcource.

Only invading smaller countries without ability to defend themselves have been a priority of the american army since the vietnam war, so the tragedy of a greatly pro-longed war that turns (practically) into a defeat for the way bigger aggressor would never occur again. Its such horrible publicity and divides up the population so they are harder to herd.

Back to your comparison, however.

You are comparing a war where its prioritized that the enemy is destroyed so they cannot continue fighting with a war where its prioritized that the aggressor comes out of it with maximal financial and PR gains. Or, for the sake of argument, "for the good of mankind / god told me to / its the right thing", but they are all completely bullshit possibilities and we all know it. No logic in doing all that has been done, simply because of wanting to "do the right thing". I cant argue with religious fanaticism ofcource, but if thats the case we shouldnt be arguing with logics either, but just shouting at each other with firearms.


If you permit, i'll list it very obviously.

1. "Bush didn't invade a smaller country unable to defend itself."

Yes, yes he did. Twice. I take it we are not talking about all men with the surname Bush that has been presidents of the USA, just the current one.

2. "Bush didn't kill all the men of military age in this smaller country"

So you mean that obvious war-crimes of barbaric nature was not comitted during this quest for greatness of mankind, profit and good PR? I wonder why, since doing this would have cost a lot of money, brought a lot of bad publicity and would have gained USA nothing total. OFCOURCE HE DIDNT. His men made damn sure that the natives of the countries was tortured though.

3. "didn't loot it"

Yes, yes he did.

4. "rape it's women"

See #2. And yes, yes they did.

5. "or set fire to 600 oil wells."

But how many oil wells was "stolen" instead?

That's at least what they said while they supported him with weapons in the Iran-Iraq War. At this time he was one of the best friends in the arabic world to the "western-communities" and got weapons from the US, France, UK, Gemrany and so on ......

Blahdy fucking blah blah blah



I'd hit it



Where's a juicy pic when you need one

Wow a couple of new anti-Americans in this thread, Ill be sure to add some of you to my list of those that dont want to do business with Americans.

Of course most of you anti-American people dont care if Americans do business with you right?

little correction:

I think if the democrats would do that, they would be in deep shit ... ( again, Waco ...)

I concur bro.

you really are simple minded ...
on the other hand , how else could you buy the " you are with us, or with the enemy .."

pathetic to see such a lack of intelligence....

I agree!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup

No better than Hitler?

you need to go back to school.

Politics is a fucking weird business, the measurement of good and bad is in degrees... there was a time when Saddam was the best of a rotten bunch, much in the same way that the Shah of Iran was at one time on the good side as well, not to mention people like Bin Ladin.

What "was" and what "is" can be two totally different things. Stuff happens, positions change, actions are taken, and "stuff" moves. Not getting pinned down to forever supporting a guy or country when it turns to shit is an important part of world politics.

In the end, Saddam killed many of his own people in cruel and unusual ways, mostly because they didn't agree with him or attempted to remove him from power. He wasn't judged and hung for being a threat to the US, but rather for what he did to his own people.

That is justice, no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

http://www.ictj.org/static/MENA/Iraq...lBrief.eng.pdf

Why are you such a retard? Was assumption part of a birth defect?

Ask those who have personal experience of "Americans" and have good reason to be "anti-American" - you won't find many on GFY. Try the US victims in Chile, El Salvador or Iraq - I'm sure you'll find a few "anti-Americans" there to whine and moan about.

Like anyone gives a flying fuck about who you choose to do business with based on your stupid dumb politics :pimp

yeah, seems he is a pathetic joke, he messaged me on icq, provocated and threatened and why? Just because someone has on some things a different opinion? Damn, exactly such people that pray all the day about how democratic they are and than take such actions make me sick!!!!

For everybody who wants a laugh and to see how pathetic this "Splum" Guy realli is here the history.

P.S.: Read from bottom to top

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691330-helping-americas-war-iraq.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=691330

You are really good at manipulation, you should apply for a job with the Bush administration. I love the way you selectively leave out parts of our conversation lol. :1orglaugh

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691200-saddam-hussein-executed.html check my postst to lazy to recopy

no, it's the FULL conversation, i have NO need to use such dirty tricks and threaten people like you.

Please, tell me you made that up ... It can't be true..

To be true, it means that Splum is affected by advanced DEMENTIA, and requires immediate medical care.

Yes you were offended because your country(Bulgaria) was caught helping the CIA and I busted you out lol. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=6618
http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=6194
http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=5626
http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=5570

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Classic Splum brain defect material - the guy needs locked up to save embarassing others.

People who use the Hitler reference are always on the losing side of the argument

Haha good one DF. Oh by the way THANKS for your support of the Iraq war with your tax dollars. I mean since you live in the United States you pay some form of taxes to the US government which in turn uses that money to buy bullets to blow away innocent Iraqis. I take it back maybe you arent anti-American afterall. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

NO, i swear it's the whole conversation. I really hate to put peronsal conversations on a board and this is an expection, but i think there was NO other way to let other people know how ill and sick he is.

I) I never said I lived in the USA . I said I live in America ... Learn the difference
2) I do pay taxes in the USA , since I have a US corporation. It is your duty to pay taxes.
3) I do visit the USA for about a month a year, and still enjoy the american folks, even when they don't share my opinions ...
4) I am pro abortion, even more now ....

you are just sick man and it was Romania and Poland helping the CIA, but who cares anyway. How i said, you are sick, i even wonder why i waste my time with you.

More of your stupid assumptions???

Was this in response to not giving a flying fuck about doing business with you or a few other US webmasters?

We have no business activity in the US whatsoever - don't operate businesses in rogue regimes. They have proved to be ecomomically unstable.

Clean your act up first - maybe after 10 years of probation, I might even dream of trading with you - but that's a very remote possibility.

You have blood on your hands too.

He's just sick??? *LOL*

More like mentally deranged after a lifetime of absorbing bullshit propaganda and remaining clueless about anything :winkwink:

No its the truth in that thread and you are too fucking afraid to show your face in that other thread because you know its the truth and you have no fucking defence for it.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691330-helping-americas-war-iraq.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=691330

Well said Shemp.

Most webmasters take money from america not earn money for america I may buy american content but I make about 1000 times what I payed for it from americans

Shit you get funnier my the moment :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Damn.. I'm "too fucking afraid to show your face in that other thread" - awesome! *lol*

Why would anyone be interested in your latest claims to righteousness because they do business with the US??? The US govt elected to invade other nations, they elected to train torturers, they elected to adopt the moral highground (based on nothing, - much the same as you are feebly attempting). Any money the US government can grab they will - it's a tendency to leech off others. What they elect to spend it on is entirely their responsibility. Live with it.

This has got to be one of your best idiot quotes ever....

IDIOT!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

oouucchhh! I guess that willl get you a nice place at "Splumie's America Haters Blacklist" too. Welcome aboard, lol. :1orglaugh

Naw I jus owned him in my other thread that was satisfaction enough I think he has seen the light.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691330-helping-americas-war-iraq.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=691330

WORD!


war on drugs
...
war on terror

your country can't live without war? you suck!

Says the silly little lad seriously lacking in any form of education or intelligence - he thinks he "owned" someone. How qauint :1orglaugh :1orglaugh



Ya know... seriously - Idiots on GFY are beyond even being idiots - they are just too sad, pathetic and sick.

Don't blame me for US wars :winkwink: I avoid the place like the plague and it will stay that way until the little boys learn some concept of good behavior, but they are slow at learning :)

His point is, your constant bullshit does not wash, asswipe.

It's often to what we refer to as smoke and mirrors. Quite the magicians the US government is.

You are even worse that the idiot Splum - that's even more sad considering you supposed to be a mature adult with a brain. But instead - another dumb lump of flesh with a big mouth and a small braincell.

Of course... bets on are that you once served in the US military :1orglaugh Nothing wrong with that, but the idiot element of the military manage to put the rest to shame with their sicko conduct. Have a wonderful life :thumbsup

yeah hang the fkn lot of them

1) With the exception of the former Soviet Union and China, every country is smaller than the us. If I recall correctly, Iraq had the world's forth largest armed forces in the world when it invaded Kuwait. And it's not like we didn't warn Iraq....

2) This doesn't even begin to make sense to me.

3) Did we loot Iraq? I'm sorry; I must have missed this. I'm confident that Iraq has lots of fancy sports cars running around, and that our military has a strong need to ship home all the VCRs they can get their hands on. We are still in Iraq now and I'm still not hearing reports of the US military raiding warehouses to steal computers and stuff.

4) We raped the women of Iraq? I must have missed this also. I don't recall reports of American forces rounding up hundreds of women at a time to bring them back to the US so our military can have our way with them. There was a case where an Iraqi woman was raped and her family killed. NOTE THAT THESE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS WERE PUT ON TRIAL AND ARE LOCKED UP. (Sorry, there are always a few bad apples....)

5) What we should have done is destroyed all of Iraq's oil producing abilities and said "This is your punishment". We didn't set fire to the oil wells, we didn't destroy them. We also haven't stolen them because they are worthless without the land we they stand on. Instead, the profits generated from these oil wells are going back into the economy of Iraq to help rebuild the country.

All of this is the direct result of Iraq invading Kuwait in 1991. In very simple English, if you invade the country of a US ally the US will be attacking.

Funny, but I don't recall Iraq getting permission from the UN to invade Kuwait in 1991.

The UN doesn't give or deny permission to attack another country. Instead, the purpose of the UN is prevent other countries from going to war with each other by discussing their issues in a public forum.

The UN passed a number of resolutions in 1991 telling Iraq to leave Kuwait. Being as the UN does not have the military might to enforce it's own resolutions, it turned to it's members and their armed forces to enforce these resolutions.

And after Iraq violated each and everyone of these resolutions it failed to have the spine to go in an enforce them. The US attempted to get full UN support, but being as the UN is composed of many countries - Muslim and otherwise - the UN was unable to agree to this.

But no, the US surely didn't "need permission" from the UN to do anything.

Funny how if the UN had any real issues with the actions of the US, it would have imposed some sanctions on the US.....

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

bush is a fuck head, so what. piss off!

While i agree with you about the Iraq-Kuwait war i wonder why you referr only to this one? Iraw has attacked an ally or friendly nation and the US helped out, with the whole internatinal community behind them, that's fine.
But things stand not the same with the 2nd invastion 3 years ago and that's where large part of the international community, many people and even many Americans have a problem with.

What does it matter? Saddam didn't hang for attacking Iraq or not being friends with the US, he was hung for killing his own people.

Why make something more complicated than I really is?

Look, i'am not an Iraq, even less an Arabic Country Fan, and most less and Saddam Fan or Supporter. But when you view and follow things from a NEUTRAL point of view than there some things that don't fit together the way they have handled.

Beginning with a proofen lie about mass desctruction weapons which self invited the US to Iraq up to the "political" process iniciated by the US and it's outcome.
I really doubt that there is someone out here defending Saddam Husein, but all should have been handled totally different, beginning from an UN resolution to enter iraq up to the War Crime Tribunal ala Milosevic.

That's just my point of view as a neutral citizien of it, following mostly a bit more objectivly some news or events.

Time will show that this mission has not changed anything into the good, the simple facts that there is NO democratic Arabic States, that for all muslime countries the USA will EVER be the enemy #1 due the religious "disharmony" and visions and some other facts. Saddam, kadafi and BenLaden will just be replaced by other fanatic and/or religious Leaders. For the USA it will be a never ending story.

The only chance in my opinion would have been doing it all from A - Z with the international community together. As this totally failed and even 1/2+ of the americans don't support it and think it was a big mistake you can make your own opinion how foreigners think about it.

My :2 cents: ( and this makes me not an Anti-American by the way before again someone will call me that )

I hate Bush and Blair.
Let the people live how they want to.