I live in America .... :1orglaugh

Webby, what, do you expect the US to just leave and give Saddam a pat of the bakc and say "Hey, heres your country back, sorry for that invasion, you are an all right guy and you can keep on killing your people, threatening the world, no problem, you are all cool?"

I hate the idea that the US attacked Iraq, but it is really clear that the world is a better place with Saddam in it.

Is that what you think?

I concur. :thumbsup

There is no game unless there is a player with enough greed and selfishness.

Some may call it immaturity - the US is not a first, tho others have learned thru their history and the US will not be the last, but will go the same way as all the other "players" (that's prob already started).

"Players" have little to offer anyone - they leech off other nations to maintain their perceived credibility and status. They power-dress and mess in the affairs of as many other nations as possible, but strip the dress and there is nothing. There is no level of abuse they will go to in an effort to hang on to their status - even tho they may be economically/socially/culturally defunct on many levels.

Sure, ya can blame a series of governments (it takes more than one session of government), but they were elected - and the electorate is equally guilty of the actions taken in their name.

Hate? Na.. don't hate anyone, but prob despise hypocracy, the selfish, abusers and liars - and prob why a few governments are at the top of the queue :)

dont want to answer for Webby, but the proper actions would have been to turn him over to the justice of an international court, as with Milosevic... and let him rot in jail for the rest of his life.

But the US , disguised under morality, religion, democracy and rightness, wanted him executed ....
BTW, how many people were killed by Khadafi, your new friend in Libye ....

That is what is wrong.

That would mean recognizing those courts.... and once you've recognized them... well who knows they will go after next.

Your joking, RIGHT?

Where is the proof these people deserved to live? These 180 people had rights; They did nothing wrong other than not belong to the correct party. This is like President Bush walking into Congress and killing all of the Democrats only because they aren't Republicans.....

Hear ya Alex... It's not a matter of the US leaving blah - the US should never have been there in the first place.

It's also not an issue over the evils or otherwise of Saddam - he was only one thug in power on this planet. There are plenty more - the US going to invade their countries with another "Shock and Awe"?

The purported reasons for US involvement was.. well.. everything from WMD, "war on terror" to "spreading freedom and democracy". All of these reasons are false and only an idiot would believe any one of them. Who knows the real reason - tho there are profits from war and the US sure needs some profits. Killing never stepped in the way in pursuit of a dollar - why stop now?

The US seriously needs to attend to US issues and stay the fuck out of the affairs of other nations. It may also be appropriate that the US starts reparations to all nations where it caused serious and long lasting damage - Iraq and it's people are only a grain of sand in that pile of damage. That said, the US does not have the funds to even begin to restore that damage.

The US has nothing to offer anyone and has been a leech for decades - it's time to quit the bullshit and stand up with whatever honor is left and make an attempt to be ecomonically sustainable and quit living off plastic cards from other nations.

Only my :2 cents: - it is so fucking sad that any, allegedly civilized, western nation should conduct itself so badly that it becomes so despised by the international community. It's also damned sad that there is a total inability in leadership to communicate internationally on a balanced level. It is also damned sad for the victims of such a government - with emphasis on the masses who suffered or were killed on foreign territories, but not forgetting those who were expected to fight the wars of this idiot government. It is also damned sad that the ecomonics of a nation could be so badly screwed on pointless war adventures - especially when a fraction of that cost could have done so many other positive things at all levels, both for US folks and for others on an international level. Disgust is too mild a word.

Feel free :thumbsup You said it quicker and summed up several issues :winkwink:

The US invited themself into Iraq, nothing else! If the UN had decided it the whole world would be fine with it, but that way ......... it smells bad...... and will smell bad forever.

Im not one of those "blood for oil" whiny guys, and I really couldnt care less who the current american president is, because I pretty much dont belive he has a much "creative control" as everyone thinks he does. Bush being a prime example.

No, he didnt kill all the men of military age (and you should really be looking to the russians for that one and their parties in Ukraine, much better example), he DID loot it (to an extent ofcource, and in creative ways), he didnt rape the women and he didnt set fire to the oil wells. He did yoink quite a few of them though, in creative ways ofcource.

Only invading smaller countries without ability to defend themselves have been a priority of the american army since the vietnam war, so the tragedy of a greatly pro-longed war that turns (practically) into a defeat for the way bigger aggressor would never occur again. Its such horrible publicity and divides up the population so they are harder to herd.

Back to your comparison, however.

You are comparing a war where its prioritized that the enemy is destroyed so they cannot continue fighting with a war where its prioritized that the aggressor comes out of it with maximal financial and PR gains. Or, for the sake of argument, "for the good of mankind / god told me to / its the right thing", but they are all completely bullshit possibilities and we all know it. No logic in doing all that has been done, simply because of wanting to "do the right thing". I cant argue with religious fanaticism ofcource, but if thats the case we shouldnt be arguing with logics either, but just shouting at each other with firearms.


If you permit, i'll list it very obviously.

1. "Bush didn't invade a smaller country unable to defend itself."

Yes, yes he did. Twice. I take it we are not talking about all men with the surname Bush that has been presidents of the USA, just the current one.

2. "Bush didn't kill all the men of military age in this smaller country"

So you mean that obvious war-crimes of barbaric nature was not comitted during this quest for greatness of mankind, profit and good PR? I wonder why, since doing this would have cost a lot of money, brought a lot of bad publicity and would have gained USA nothing total. OFCOURCE HE DIDNT. His men made damn sure that the natives of the countries was tortured though.

3. "didn't loot it"

Yes, yes he did.

4. "rape it's women"

See #2. And yes, yes they did.

5. "or set fire to 600 oil wells."

But how many oil wells was "stolen" instead?

That's at least what they said while they supported him with weapons in the Iran-Iraq War. At this time he was one of the best friends in the arabic world to the "western-communities" and got weapons from the US, France, UK, Gemrany and so on ......

Blahdy fucking blah blah blah



I'd hit it



Where's a juicy pic when you need one

Wow a couple of new anti-Americans in this thread, Ill be sure to add some of you to my list of those that dont want to do business with Americans.

Of course most of you anti-American people dont care if Americans do business with you right?

little correction:

I think if the democrats would do that, they would be in deep shit ... ( again, Waco ...)

I concur bro.

you really are simple minded ...
on the other hand , how else could you buy the " you are with us, or with the enemy .."

pathetic to see such a lack of intelligence....

I agree!!! :thumbsup :thumbsup

No better than Hitler?

you need to go back to school.

Politics is a fucking weird business, the measurement of good and bad is in degrees... there was a time when Saddam was the best of a rotten bunch, much in the same way that the Shah of Iran was at one time on the good side as well, not to mention people like Bin Ladin.

What "was" and what "is" can be two totally different things. Stuff happens, positions change, actions are taken, and "stuff" moves. Not getting pinned down to forever supporting a guy or country when it turns to shit is an important part of world politics.

In the end, Saddam killed many of his own people in cruel and unusual ways, mostly because they didn't agree with him or attempted to remove him from power. He wasn't judged and hung for being a threat to the US, but rather for what he did to his own people.

That is justice, no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

http://www.ictj.org/static/MENA/Iraq...lBrief.eng.pdf

Why are you such a retard? Was assumption part of a birth defect?

Ask those who have personal experience of "Americans" and have good reason to be "anti-American" - you won't find many on GFY. Try the US victims in Chile, El Salvador or Iraq - I'm sure you'll find a few "anti-Americans" there to whine and moan about.

Like anyone gives a flying fuck about who you choose to do business with based on your stupid dumb politics :pimp

yeah, seems he is a pathetic joke, he messaged me on icq, provocated and threatened and why? Just because someone has on some things a different opinion? Damn, exactly such people that pray all the day about how democratic they are and than take such actions make me sick!!!!

For everybody who wants a laugh and to see how pathetic this "Splum" Guy realli is here the history.

P.S.: Read from bottom to top

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691330-helping-americas-war-iraq.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=691330

You are really good at manipulation, you should apply for a job with the Bush administration. I love the way you selectively leave out parts of our conversation lol. :1orglaugh

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691200-saddam-hussein-executed.html check my postst to lazy to recopy

no, it's the FULL conversation, i have NO need to use such dirty tricks and threaten people like you.

Please, tell me you made that up ... It can't be true..

To be true, it means that Splum is affected by advanced DEMENTIA, and requires immediate medical care.

Yes you were offended because your country(Bulgaria) was caught helping the CIA and I busted you out lol. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=6618
http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=6194
http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=5626
http://www.axisglobe.com/news.asp?news=5570

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Classic Splum brain defect material - the guy needs locked up to save embarassing others.

People who use the Hitler reference are always on the losing side of the argument

Haha good one DF. Oh by the way THANKS for your support of the Iraq war with your tax dollars. I mean since you live in the United States you pay some form of taxes to the US government which in turn uses that money to buy bullets to blow away innocent Iraqis. I take it back maybe you arent anti-American afterall. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

NO, i swear it's the whole conversation. I really hate to put peronsal conversations on a board and this is an expection, but i think there was NO other way to let other people know how ill and sick he is.

I) I never said I lived in the USA . I said I live in America ... Learn the difference
2) I do pay taxes in the USA , since I have a US corporation. It is your duty to pay taxes.
3) I do visit the USA for about a month a year, and still enjoy the american folks, even when they don't share my opinions ...
4) I am pro abortion, even more now ....

you are just sick man and it was Romania and Poland helping the CIA, but who cares anyway. How i said, you are sick, i even wonder why i waste my time with you.

More of your stupid assumptions???

Was this in response to not giving a flying fuck about doing business with you or a few other US webmasters?

We have no business activity in the US whatsoever - don't operate businesses in rogue regimes. They have proved to be ecomomically unstable.

Clean your act up first - maybe after 10 years of probation, I might even dream of trading with you - but that's a very remote possibility.

You have blood on your hands too.

He's just sick??? *LOL*

More like mentally deranged after a lifetime of absorbing bullshit propaganda and remaining clueless about anything :winkwink:

No its the truth in that thread and you are too fucking afraid to show your face in that other thread because you know its the truth and you have no fucking defence for it.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691330-helping-americas-war-iraq.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=691330