Well said Shemp.

Most webmasters take money from america not earn money for america I may buy american content but I make about 1000 times what I payed for it from americans

Shit you get funnier my the moment :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Damn.. I'm "too fucking afraid to show your face in that other thread" - awesome! *lol*

Why would anyone be interested in your latest claims to righteousness because they do business with the US??? The US govt elected to invade other nations, they elected to train torturers, they elected to adopt the moral highground (based on nothing, - much the same as you are feebly attempting). Any money the US government can grab they will - it's a tendency to leech off others. What they elect to spend it on is entirely their responsibility. Live with it.

This has got to be one of your best idiot quotes ever....

IDIOT!! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

oouucchhh! I guess that willl get you a nice place at "Splumie's America Haters Blacklist" too. Welcome aboard, lol. :1orglaugh

Naw I jus owned him in my other thread that was satisfaction enough I think he has seen the light.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/691330-helping-americas-war-iraq.html
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=691330

WORD!


war on drugs
...
war on terror

your country can't live without war? you suck!

Says the silly little lad seriously lacking in any form of education or intelligence - he thinks he "owned" someone. How qauint :1orglaugh :1orglaugh



Ya know... seriously - Idiots on GFY are beyond even being idiots - they are just too sad, pathetic and sick.

Don't blame me for US wars :winkwink: I avoid the place like the plague and it will stay that way until the little boys learn some concept of good behavior, but they are slow at learning :)

His point is, your constant bullshit does not wash, asswipe.

It's often to what we refer to as smoke and mirrors. Quite the magicians the US government is.

You are even worse that the idiot Splum - that's even more sad considering you supposed to be a mature adult with a brain. But instead - another dumb lump of flesh with a big mouth and a small braincell.

Of course... bets on are that you once served in the US military :1orglaugh Nothing wrong with that, but the idiot element of the military manage to put the rest to shame with their sicko conduct. Have a wonderful life :thumbsup

yeah hang the fkn lot of them

1) With the exception of the former Soviet Union and China, every country is smaller than the us. If I recall correctly, Iraq had the world's forth largest armed forces in the world when it invaded Kuwait. And it's not like we didn't warn Iraq....

2) This doesn't even begin to make sense to me.

3) Did we loot Iraq? I'm sorry; I must have missed this. I'm confident that Iraq has lots of fancy sports cars running around, and that our military has a strong need to ship home all the VCRs they can get their hands on. We are still in Iraq now and I'm still not hearing reports of the US military raiding warehouses to steal computers and stuff.

4) We raped the women of Iraq? I must have missed this also. I don't recall reports of American forces rounding up hundreds of women at a time to bring them back to the US so our military can have our way with them. There was a case where an Iraqi woman was raped and her family killed. NOTE THAT THESE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS WERE PUT ON TRIAL AND ARE LOCKED UP. (Sorry, there are always a few bad apples....)

5) What we should have done is destroyed all of Iraq's oil producing abilities and said "This is your punishment". We didn't set fire to the oil wells, we didn't destroy them. We also haven't stolen them because they are worthless without the land we they stand on. Instead, the profits generated from these oil wells are going back into the economy of Iraq to help rebuild the country.

All of this is the direct result of Iraq invading Kuwait in 1991. In very simple English, if you invade the country of a US ally the US will be attacking.

Funny, but I don't recall Iraq getting permission from the UN to invade Kuwait in 1991.

The UN doesn't give or deny permission to attack another country. Instead, the purpose of the UN is prevent other countries from going to war with each other by discussing their issues in a public forum.

The UN passed a number of resolutions in 1991 telling Iraq to leave Kuwait. Being as the UN does not have the military might to enforce it's own resolutions, it turned to it's members and their armed forces to enforce these resolutions.

And after Iraq violated each and everyone of these resolutions it failed to have the spine to go in an enforce them. The US attempted to get full UN support, but being as the UN is composed of many countries - Muslim and otherwise - the UN was unable to agree to this.

But no, the US surely didn't "need permission" from the UN to do anything.

Funny how if the UN had any real issues with the actions of the US, it would have imposed some sanctions on the US.....

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

bush is a fuck head, so what. piss off!

While i agree with you about the Iraq-Kuwait war i wonder why you referr only to this one? Iraw has attacked an ally or friendly nation and the US helped out, with the whole internatinal community behind them, that's fine.
But things stand not the same with the 2nd invastion 3 years ago and that's where large part of the international community, many people and even many Americans have a problem with.

What does it matter? Saddam didn't hang for attacking Iraq or not being friends with the US, he was hung for killing his own people.

Why make something more complicated than I really is?

Look, i'am not an Iraq, even less an Arabic Country Fan, and most less and Saddam Fan or Supporter. But when you view and follow things from a NEUTRAL point of view than there some things that don't fit together the way they have handled.

Beginning with a proofen lie about mass desctruction weapons which self invited the US to Iraq up to the "political" process iniciated by the US and it's outcome.
I really doubt that there is someone out here defending Saddam Husein, but all should have been handled totally different, beginning from an UN resolution to enter iraq up to the War Crime Tribunal ala Milosevic.

That's just my point of view as a neutral citizien of it, following mostly a bit more objectivly some news or events.

Time will show that this mission has not changed anything into the good, the simple facts that there is NO democratic Arabic States, that for all muslime countries the USA will EVER be the enemy #1 due the religious "disharmony" and visions and some other facts. Saddam, kadafi and BenLaden will just be replaced by other fanatic and/or religious Leaders. For the USA it will be a never ending story.

The only chance in my opinion would have been doing it all from A - Z with the international community together. As this totally failed and even 1/2+ of the americans don't support it and think it was a big mistake you can make your own opinion how foreigners think about it.

My :2 cents: ( and this makes me not an Anti-American by the way before again someone will call me that )

I hate Bush and Blair.
Let the people live how they want to.

The original issue with Iraq was in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait. Iraq was swifty evicted, but the goal was to evict Iraq and not over throw it's government. The US hardly has time to attemp to run a second government (being as it can't seem to run it's own government properly!). The US did the right thing, sent the Iraqis packing, and set up a ceasefire - with a number of restrictions.

For the next ten years Iraq violated every last condition of the UN imposed ceasefire.

And the UN did nothing.

Perhaps we should have just left him in power and acted like nothing was wrong.

You are right.... They got a tacit silent permission from the USA tough ...
( I have the video of it in DVD, really don't feel like getting it in divx, since no one will watch it ...)
At that time, Kuwait was pumping way more oil then it was supposed to... ( yes, oil , the key word ).
For every dollar that the oil was dropping in price on the market, Iraq was losing a billion dollar...
Saddam needed that money to repay for his war with Iran ( main creditor was the USA )...
So a meeting was setup, and the USA sort of said that they wouldn't interfer ...

Don't kid yourself ... why the hell would the UN and/or the US intervene ... to save a few camel jockeys, as you call them ... They don't intervene in Darfour, didn't in Rwanda, wont in Ethiopia/Somalia ...
This Iraq thing goes back to the day when Iraq was a CLOSE alley of the Soviet Union, pissing off the USA... Saddam then came ....

Please list those violations .. and don't come with the no-fly zone.. That wasn't UN, but Brits-USA-France ( which later pulled out for humanitary reasons ).

God told Moses,Muhammed,Hitler,Stalin,Saddam and some other cool guy,
Kill you enemies and you got peace thats the way it is,sorry :helpme

You said it already your own: UN Resolutions not followed and UN did nothing. So after they did nothing they saw still room for talkings and dealings. Most of the world community as well. The USA invased there mostly on their own, based on the mass destruction weapons that turned out a totally lie.

However you turn this around, i don't think it's the correct way to solve international problems, affairs and such have to be handled that way. Serbia is an example how it can be handled much more correctly, in the meaning with an UN Resolution and the World Community together.

Look, i totally understand that you defend your country, the steps it makes and whatever involved around it, but on the other side you don't have to wonder about the unpopularity of your Nation in most parts of the world, be it hidden or openly.

Why hasn't the US intervened in Africa? Oh, that's right - we did. And after a single incident where American blood was shed (the "Blackhawk Down" incident) public support in the US disappeared. We should be in Iraq; We should also be in Africa making sure warlords aren't running these countries and making sure entire counties aren't starving. It's the right thing to do. Public support isn't there for us to be in Africa while public support "accepts" us being in Iraq because of the oil issue.

Setting aside the possible connection between Bush, his government, and the big oil connections...... Yes, this was about oil. While the oil companies are raking in huge profits there is something much more at stake here. Japan attacked the US in WWII because of - surprise - oil.

Saddam invaded Kuwait and was poised to attack Saudi Arbria. Imagine Saddam being in control of the bulk of the world's oil reserves. I personally have no problems with a gallon of gas in the US costing $60 a gallon - My commute is all of four minutes I'm positive it would help keep the idiots off the road. But imagine what that would do for our economy.

Just think - Gas prices jump through the roof and sudddenly no one has money for entertainment (read: porn).

it will never never happen

Let's start with the big one - WMD.

Weapons of Mass Destruction is a pretty big list. It's not only nuclear and chemical weapons, but also devices that can deliver then - such as missiles with a range of over 150 kilometers. In fact, this was on the list of weapons that Iraq was not allowed to have after the ceasefire.

And guess what happened on the very first day? That's right kids! They launched missiles from deep inside Iraq onto the invading US forces. No big surprise.

Next up we can talk about weapons inspections. Again, part of the UN resolutions. This is a simple one. The resolution specified "unfettered access" meaning inspectors inspect what they want - yet in Iraq they were blocked at every possible oppertunity.

The no-fly zones were also a resolution. This wasn't something that was open to discussion; This was put into place so that Saddam couldn't drop chemical weapons on the Kurds. I mean, he did it once; What's to stop him from doing it again? So we had the no-fly zones and the US and UK patrolled them. And guess what..... Iraq had the damn balls to fire on the planes. Daily.

Not sure where your from, but firing on a US warplane is act of war plain and simple. This in itself is ground for war and ground for a full out invasion. There is no arguement in this.

I can keep going....


UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991
- Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.

UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991
- Iraq must release prisoners detained during the Gulf War.
- Iraq must accept liability under international law for damages from its illegal invasion of Kuwait.

I'm a former US Marine. This means two things to me....

1) I served at the pleasure of the President, no matter what clown was in the oval office at the moment.
2) My job wasn't to make war, but rather to prevent it.

As for the unpopularity of the US in other countries.... Don't care. I don't care what the French think, and I don't care what they think of the US in any other country.

Note that if I ever do leave the US I'll just speak French and pretend I'm Canandian...

Well, we agree on all that .... It is nice to see the false pretenses of freedom, democracy and rightness fall to expose the truth.

Just a little add-on: IN Somalia , the US are actually backing TODAY Ethiopia and re-installing the same warlords that they fought 10 years ago .. irronic, no ?

BS ...

iraq couldn't fly in their own airspace ...

sure their is an argument .... I think the USA would shoot down a Chinese fighter over the USA air space.

You can shoot any plane down in such circumstances. Some countries even shot at civilian planes.

Brits and USA ( again the same ) were violating the air space of Iraq ..That has no argument ....

And if the UN had any balls, they would pass the same resolution towards the USA and Britain ... ( Oups, forgot they are both on the security council, so that will not happen ).

Like for the Germans and Japanese ( WW2 ), reparation should be paid ... to the Iraqis ...

That's all folks.... Good night :thumbsup

hard to argue with REAL facts ....

Not when they are killing their own citizens!

Politics is a tricky beast. We also once supported Saddam during his war with Iran, and the US once supported Osama.....

Why should reparations be paid to anyone?

Germany attacked pretty much everyone in the world including Poland, France, Russia, the UK, and the USA. Germany brought it on theirselves. And in case you haven't noticed, the financial damage of WWII - brought on by Germany - is still being paid for. Just this month the UK made it's final payment in the Lend Lease Act.

Japan? They attacked the US and brought it on themselves.

The only reparations that should be paid is to the Japanese who lived in the US during WWII when they were all locked up. While not a war crime, this was a horrible thing for the US to do.

I meant that the USA should pay war reparation to Iraq, for waging an offensive war ... just like Germany and Japan had to do after WW2 ...

I probably didn't express myself in proper english grammar ... happens sometimes.

Thanks for the overly hypocritical pointless thread!
Happy 07 anyways

Only Commie wanker emo pseudointellectual protesting liberal counterculture revolution Mao Stalin Lenin fuckups hate bush and blair so gofuckyourselves! Ha! Happy Capitalist NEW YEAR!