Please explain.

Dont listen to him

Start as many projects as you can.. you dont have to ever finish them.

Worry about what others make... because chances are youre average and you will make the same.

But the cheapest scripts, since youre starting a new project every day, chances are you will never use them.

Buy as many domains as you can. If all else fails, overprice them and sell them.

Always strive for perfection!!! It is your ultimate goal.

Fads are the only way to make money. Yesterdays fad could have earned you $5,000 in one day. Where were you?

Ok this is my sarcastic post for the year. I hope ASM doesn't kick my ass :)

(BTW listen to ASM, he's a very smart guy)

And to answer your question........ There is no answer to your question.

There is just way too many variables to consider. There are a 1000 tgps that dont get a single hit a day... would you consider that part of the average? If thats the case the average might be somewhere around $20 a month.

Then there is
Niches..
Traffic..
Trades..
Management..
Experience..
And a million more factors that will determine the amount of profit (or $ loss) you accumulate.

Your funny. :thumbsup

I'd rather spend that $1k on adwords/overture and make a minimal roi, rather then blow it on nil to bugger all tgp return.

But in saying that buying traffic isn't a walk in the park and prolly not something that should be done without a basic grasp of how to sell to adult in general first.

-N

So what, in your opinion, would be the best thing for me to start off with:

A TGP or something of the site, or an eBay buisness (I have an oppurtunity here to invest some money into product at wholesale prices and then sell for close to retail prices on eBay).

Either way, I want to be doing both at some point down the road.

I think he suggested submitting galleries to tgp´s first, before building an own tgp. The first thing you should learn is how to generate quality traffic. There are many ways to do it, and there are some sources for information out there, but posting links to other boards is a big nono...

First of all I´d keep the money, if I were you. Build a hub, which is helpful for filtering traffic. Build freesites and galleries, submit. Check which niche and which sponsor does well for you, drop the others. Repeat.

Dont be a nick3131 thats for sure

back in 2004 when I started, I dropped over $4k on google adwords, with very minimal return. I just dove in head first and had no clue what I was doing.

Make sure you know what you're doing before you spend any $.

But don't forget.

"You have to spend money to make $"
even if the money you spend is your time
Time = Money

There is money to be made but nothing is for certain. Give it a go and see
how you get on :)

time = money, but time is the one thing most poor people have in abundance.

W13, I am just starting with the blogs myself, i have read a lot about it
and have a fair idea on how things work. I ran a TGP a couple of years ago,
give me a buzz on icq if u have any questions that maybe I can help you out
with.

Good luck

Here's what I would suggest

If you dont have any experience with traffic.

pick up a couple of Submit passes from
http://www.submitpasses.com
They are fairly cheap, and will give you an idea of how traffic behaves in various niches. One of the key elements of the industry is being able to monetize traffic... see if you can make a profit. If you buy $100 worth of spots and you make back $120.. you just made a profit :)

Just a suggestion, you don't have to take it.

if you think about it logically, you want to put 1000 into a tgp to make around 1000/month

thats one hell of an roi...wouldnt everyone just put in 100k starup to make 100k/month?
it simply doesn't work that way

I wasn't saying that I wanted to be making $1000/month from the get go, but maybe 6-12 months down the line that is what I would be earning.

I will defintely give you a buzz next time you are online on ICQ. :thumbsup

Can you explain what that is all about? I make my own gallery and submit it to one of those partner sites and it will appear on their site? Where do I get the galleries from?

You´ll usually have to build the galleries on your own. In most cases fhg´s and sponsor gallery templates won´t be listed. Once you have built the gallery, you´ll submit it and it will be listed and send you traffic.

That´s a good way to learn about traffic. But don´t be disappointed if a gallery doesn´t deliver sales. Just test other sponsors for those tgp´s.

So it sends traffic to MY TPG or whatever sponsor I am using??

I am confused on this, sorry! :(

theres wayyyy too much to explain. You got me on aim, I replied.

Im about to go party for New Years. I would love to help explain the gallery basics at another time. Just dont have time right now, im heading out.

check out www.cozycampus.com some good reading there... although I couldn't find a "gallery section"

submitting sponsor galleries to other TGPs. you'll need a pretty good server though. it doesnt give your TGP any traffic unless you have reciprical links at the top, the purpose is to get money from sending sales to affiliate programs

Okay, thanks, I will contact you later then. :winkwink:

So I could basically pay say, $30/month to any of the sites listed on thee, design my own gallery based off of my sponsors gallery and essentially be earning a few hundred dollars per month off of this? Is that possible? Sounds like a pretty good idea to get my feet wet in this buisness. :)

I agree with the others, make some galleries, submit them and see how all that works, once u learn this u will be learning how other things work.

You learn the more time you spend in this industry.

Amen to that...

You can hit me up on ICQ 154-723-327

I would asume if you had a finacial report of every tgp there is the average would be negative.
But I do know a few guys who make 20k+ a month

Hey, if I see you online I will hit you up! :)

I am online

sigh... if you know how to squeeze money out of surfers then you can make money with tgp's. but if your like jace's friend who only makes $1200 a month from a 130k tgp then you might as well not even give it a shot. i've made $600/month consistantly from a 10k/day CJ. it's all about getting the surfer to click on anything within your site. but be sure the clicks are benefiting you or your site in one way or another. whether its a click to a trade, a hardlink to a toplist that will send traffic, galleries, ads to a sponsor, all that good stuff.

its all about efficiency. not looking pretty with $300 designs like some people seem to think. all im saying is if you know what you're doing you can make a 5-10k/day tgp in the right niche for as little as $5-15 feeder and as quickly as 1 week. but again thats if you know what you're doing.

it takes a lot of trial and error such as ad placement, what types of ads to use, where to place your ads, where to place your toplist, where to place your thumbs, what size thumbs get the most clicks, what sponsors have the best content for thumbs, what sponsors convert best, what sponsors make the most money, where to place hardlinks, what skim to use, what trades have good production, what trades can return the amount of traffic you can send, etc.................

a lot of variables go into knowing how to build traffic and make money with a TGP. once you have it figured out then you will make money. until then you'll be sitting around with a thumb in your ass doing 500 uniques a day hoping you make A sale this month. :2 cents:

do galleries,I have made posts asking for people to submit mine or even show me how and i would pay them and i never get anything

As a sponsor you want to get places like http://www.freehostedgalleries.com to include your FHG's. Webmasters go to places like that looking for FHG's and you can attract new webmasters that way. Most TGP's will not accept FHG's, usually *fake* tgp's have nothing but FHG's with the webmasters referral code in them. If you have any questions hit me up :)

Don't forget he's also investing time. You're talking like he's expecting to shell out $1k and sit back...

I think running TGPs is the easiest and way to earn money in adult business... of course if youy know what to do;)

best advice of the thread right there

I run both TGPs and blogs. My blogs make me more money but take more time to run/update/etc whereas a TGP requires a few hours a week MAX to run. The time required to run a tgp is significantly less than the time required to run a REAL blog.

At the end of the day I really don't give a shit about which makes more money though. What matters is how much time I have to put in to get money out and imho TGP/MGP is the better choice*.









*if you know what you're doing that is....

lol, I never get tired of that

if you know what you are doing, the the sky is the limit... if you don't, you will be lucky to get your investment back... this biz isn't what it used to be, days of putting up a site, and making bank are long gone...