not really if the server is equipped for it

I run over 400 blogs (all auto updating through cron at the same time every day) on my one single server, the load is never red level and the memory usage is always under 40% with no swap used

Damn, those are pretty strict. Vacation pictures are about it. . . . . just no videos from the trip.

yup, thats about right. :)

Also, running blogs that have auto posting have sometimes been considered "stand alone, unattended server-side processes"

I believe that is against their TOS:

c) Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server.

Also it looks like you can techincally only run 1 cron job every 15 minutes. Well if you have 100 blogs running only 1 cron job a day, thats 100 cron jobs total daily. 60/15 = 4 x 24 = 96 cron jobs at most per day if you time them all perfectly. Looks like another TOS violation:

h) Run cron entries with intervals of less than 15 minutes

Oh yeah and just be aware that if they don't shut you off immediately they can at any point. Since you are "techincally" in violation of their TOS in 2 seperate areas.

Jim

after bouncing thru a few hosts he will figure it out like all newbies :)

yup, like I said before. You live and learn :)

Jim

Update:

I am in negotiations right now with a host that is willing to supply a dedicated box for this program.

"Often the wind from one door closing causes another to open."

Oh, I am sure RSS2Blog or ABP would violate their terms. Was the first thing that came to mind.

yup, techincally any auto-posting extention of Wordpress, Textpattern, ABPSA, RSS2Blog, RSS2HTML, or any other blogging software would violate terms. This also includes any program that does a license check, any of the auto hard linking programs like AXSLinks, forum software like vB, etc.

Jim

After all this useless reading I really wouldn't call this Hosting Drama?. This is more like some cheap ass trying to make a host look bad because he was to cheap to pay for the server power (his own dedicated) to run his sites.:2 cents: :2 cents: Then of course you always get a few hosts that have to jump in just to add their 2 cents and try to make themselves look good by siding with the customer. Oh well life goes on and my sites always rock:winkwink:

They could use Rsync ....

And a little personnal experience:

On a Xeon box ( shared ) I have one of the resellers that has a car tire client. He doesn't have a site . Server is running great till early november.. it then starts overloading on the CPU ( like 20 times the usual load ) causing lag and crashes. I myself had to wait many minutes before ssh connects if it didn't time out.

Winter tire season here starts early november.

After investigating ( and thinking first hat it was a client upgrading too many Awstats at the same time ), I realized that the server was affected always around the same time ( 16:00 ). It so happens that the client had over 500 retail stores checking inventory and placing orders thru his mysql database on my box. The warehouse was checking and printing orders every 5 seconds, and at 16:00 was rebuilding the whole database ( from scratch ).
After talking to him, I told him he needed a ded box, and that it would also crash unless it was really upgraded.
He took that account to another mainstream well know host for 4.00/month. 3 days later, he is kicked out and calls me ... I set him up on a ded (2 xeon 3.0 ghz / 8 megs memory ) .. and it is running fine.

This unlimited shit from hosting companies at a low end price ( read Dreahost, Sevrage and so on ..) is a sucker catch ...
Even on a normal host, if you have 500 gigsa month, it is exoected that that bw will be used OVER the month, not on one single day ...

Anyway good luck to all ....

In a hosting drama was reading in a catagories

ok time to chime in.. I have had my beefs with chaze from dwhs in the past so i didnt want to throw my 2 cents in until we got to hear his side of the story...

In all fairness to dwhs and chaze , he(chaze ) does seem willing to help now..

In all fairness to fr0gman , you should have made it easier for him to move when he asked...

What this boils down to is server load.. nobody expects a host to host a site they arent capable of running. doesnt matter if its 1 site wth 1 fucked up script... or 10000 sites with fucked up shit.. but you also must not overlook your own setup... This isnt the first time i have heard this story about dwhs and also that the customer had no problems whasoever after switching to a new host..

p.s. you should be able to add ability to mass transfer accounts in whm

Chaze I am not attacking you or the host. I am saying that before you moved him there was no issue. Further more although now your whilling to work with him before you were not. I mean no offence but honestly the customer is always right. No matter how much of a pain they may be or how much trouble they cause, you do what you can to help, and if you can not handle them and they cant afford a dedicated server or do not want one you should move them somewhere else for free.

Your still wrong in several points, I was always willing to work with him, I have bent over backwards for over a month on this. I told him weeks ago he needed to upgrade or leave. I just told him the other day that he has a time frame now.

Talking bad about other hosts is not going to get you more business and only make you look worse in the long run. Joel, You really need to learn some integrity.

Agreed, I also think there is way to decide how much data the scripts imports. So if it's importing too much data you can simmer it down. But I can't say for sure.

you are totally right....one thing I always forget is that when I started doing this particular work I am doing with the blogs and such I had to make some pretty serious tweaks to apache to keep the load down, it took me about a month of trial and error testing...so, with a virtual account you all probably can't make the same tweaks because it would affect everyone differently

I would NEVER trust my blog business on a virtual box, dedicated is the ONLY way to go....in fact, I don't even like managed, I have everything I do so down to a science that I just go in to each box and set it up like the last one and I am never down, ever.

fr0gman, I have heard lots of good things about you, and I know what you do for your business, a buddy of mine is working with you....what in god's name are you doing putting what you do in the hands of a virtual account? dedicated boxes are CHEAP for the type of stuff we do man

also, one thing I think everyone should really invest the money in is a good rss feed program like autoblogger pro or rsstoblog

instead of having 400 blogs all running feedwordpress and individually running crons for each blog, you have one control panel that pushes out to each blog...MUCH better on server load

No they cant, they are a virtual WHM reseller client on a Shared WHM server. You cant rsync individual accounts when using WHM. You can howerver tarball them and then send that tarball over ftp to another host.

I agree. I also don't understand people who are doing "mission critical" (in their minds atleast) hosting on a $10/month virtual account. If your website is your life, why would you only be paying $10/mo for your hosting? It just doesnt make sense to me.

Cpanel makes it very easy to do an individual site backup/restore. That feature was in fact turned on and to 99% of the $10/mo hosting companies out there, that is your solution. Remember, we arent talking fully managed solution here. We are talking low end virtual hosting.


Joel, your telling me you never once had a client who you used too many resources however let him go because the server was not full yet? As the server begins to fill up or as other client's sites on the same server became more active everyone must share at that point. A majority of hosting companies will let people do what they wish until the shared server becomes full, then they will begin to cut down people. Also I agree with you that the customer is always right, however most customers have no clue about server resources or even how to run a server (especially if they are buying a virtual account for $9.99/month) Therefore, those people really need to listen to their support reps when they say upgrades are needed. If they cannot afford to upgrade then its their problem and they will just be bouncing around day after day to a new hosting company. Plus DWHS gave the customer access to use individual CPanel backup system. That is what any other hosting company would have done.

Jim

drama indeed ...

*cough* Jace, you rock *cough* :winkwink:

The thing is with our plans we have things setup so situations like this do not happen. We have multi virtual and shared servers all which are quad xeons with atleast 4 gigs of ram. Our plans are setup so you can only use a certain amount of bandwidth and disk space so things like this don't happen. This is also why we have more then one virtual and shared server so if a client is using to many resources we can move them to another box.

Regarding Chaze and the hosting company, what I say is on my own and although I work for another hosting company what I say is of my own mind and has nothing to do with the company I work with whether people see it that way or not.

To make things clear again I am not attacking you Chaze nor your hosting company, I am giving my two cents as a system administrator that works with people everyday and have not run into an issue like this as of yet. I am not ignoring the fact that you worked with the customer I am pointing out that it was handled wrong simple as that. Now if you feel like I am doing something wrong by giving my thoughts I am sorry but I am not going to hold back on anyone. This is GFY. I am not doing this to get more business if I was I would of found a way to make everyone leave your hosting company and would of said why I think the company I work for is so much better dude. I am not saying we are any better then you. Each host has its own ups and downs and its pluses so don't go speaking out of your butt because you don't know what you are talking about.

Joel, this has nothing to do with how much bandwidth or disk space someone is using on their virtual account. The issue in the thread is that the customer was using too many server cpu resources to run his blogs. It was never said, and can be assumed that he was well within his bandwidth and disk space allotment. Someone could easily come along and kill a Quad Xeon, 4 gig ram with 100 blogs each doing constant crontab/rss updates and still only use 1000mb of space and push 5 gigs of transfer a month. It mostly depends on how a customer chooses to setup his/her software.

One thing I can offer is for hosts to install mod_throttle and mod_cpu (both will work with Apache 1.3) They will have to be adminstered through the root (no fancy Cpanel/WHM gui) but can help out somewhat. Google the 2 and you will find out more info on the two programs. Chaze you might want to use that too. Mod_CPU is very buggy from what Shawn (toonpornblog here on gfy) tells me, but Mod_Throttle will actually limit individual users apache sessions if set up correctly.

Hope that helps :)

Jim

I have a new host and I am in the process of moving things right now.

Charles, I am sick of you trying to rub this your way. Joel is not wrong and you know it. I can post the ICQ logs where you said "we can't do that" and "I can't help you." You do remember typing that don't you?

The truth is that you were quite UNWILLING to help until people started posting to this thread then there were suddenly all these "options" that suddenly became available.

And for those of you who are keeping score:

This never happened...

Wow Sperm.... I just checked my affiliate stats for DWHS and I don't see that I ever got credit for your 2nd account OR the rebill.... hmmmmmm

I'm glad I'm with Webair.

:)

We have 8 processors with 4 gigs of ram as well as I stated before and run low amounts of accounts. Not to mention more importantly great techs to manage things. Overload is overload no matter if you have 4 processors or 16 you can see what happenings if you know what to look for. That's why we are faster then 92% of the internet. We assess what the account is doing and if it's uses too much load as stated in our TOS. And overloading happens to maybe 1 out of about 5000 accounts.

So Once again Joel your making no since and still not going to get more business by trying make up non-since about DWHS.

Bottom line if you don't know every host will not run a account rogue account on shared server if they care about the others on the server.

It's our job as hosts to keep the servers running fast for everyone and that requires the experience to know if a account is not suitable for a shared account.

Man, I have been biting my tongue for a couple days now, but I can't control myself, because I am figuring out that you just don't know any better, so I am going to help you out here.

The word is sense, not since, and nonsense, not non-since. Non-since isn't even a word.

Wow. :Oh crap

I have been working with you for over a month on this. You already posted the logs what's stopping you.

Nothing has changed from what I said to you in the first place. We want to help even despite this fake drama.

There are not new options other then I was thinking about moving you to a new dedicated server. That means setting one up to for just to move to long enough for a host to transfer. If you think that's standard protocol for any host then your mistaken. I just came up with it when I noticed we have a older server available from another situation I was working on.

Simply put your account cannot run on our shared servers. We care too much about the others on the server to let your account slow them down. That's part of why we are a premium service.

Thanks, not thinking about spelling right now.

You have been making the same mistake throughout this entire thread . . . think it is a matter that you did not know it was wrong.

Alright dude honestly shut the fuck up. I am not trying to get shit for business from you, and if you knew anything about who I am or seen any of my threads before you would know I also stick up for other hosting company's and at the same time I got no problem talking smack to the ones who are doing something wrong. So instead of being an ignorant fool why don't you read up and see I'll throw my two cents anywhere.

The fact is dude your mad because I am right, and I have seen both stories and made up my own mind. The funny thing is that if your servers are so god damn powerful funny how this new host has no problem hosting him at all. I tried to stay cool but you kept on being a little fuck so why don't you go take yourself and do everyone a favor and drop of a cliff.

Peace

Why didn't you just get a dedicated box??
no matter which host you will go with, you will most likely have to put up with the same bullshit as you just described... no host will let you rape sql with 100 wordpress blogs for $50/month...

I'm not going to stoop to your level. But I will say he is on a dedicated now so once again you are not making any sense as you have not since your first comment in this thread.

I only hope you have other ways to try and get business.

He is on one now, so he should be fine. And I do wish him the best. I think his program is clever and will do well. Just not on a shared server.

I find it amusing that you contact me on ICQ for advice, then come back here and go exactly the opposite of what I told you, and what you said you were going to do.

Is it really that difficult?

Want solid hosting with no headaches included, and great pricing? hit me up ill set you up with a plan to suit your needs and give you piece of mind...worry about the business leave the hosting to us...

If you are virtual we have a special being launched this week with 6 months free!!! contact me and ill give you further info.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

check your log times buddy I sent that before i asked you. great advise btw i mean it

Amen, brutha!

Brad

They are great :)

I have a dedicated box. I am just waiting for them to get it ready. Should be very soon.

And for the record, I have moved all of the sites that DWHS claimed were overloading their servers to a temp account on HostGator and the CPU status on this SHARED account is sitting between .23 and .61 on a 2 CPU machine. Just as I stated from the beginning. There is nothing exotic or highly demanding about these sites and they run JUST FINE on other hosts.