Another poster from another board who does not have a clue how we work the site.

Go back to the paysite and then come back, apolagise and tell us how much of the content is ours and how much is bought in, brokered or from which of the 5 shooters we have employed and the many locations?

Carrie I have lots of others peoples content on the site, but obviously you do not know that and just posted.

Maybe you're the one with a hole in her foot. :1orglaugh

Lol .... talk about missing the point ! :)

Or should it be called - trying to divert attention from being caught out...

....... again ?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh After your threads these past few days I find it hilarious that *you* of all people would insinuate lying is bad as it seems to be your preferred way of drumming up business.

Man, it just keeps getting better. Need a shovel?

Oh, snap! This, from a man of the tablecloth?

So the site does well and you are not telling lies on the affiliates page?

But that means, you were telling them on another board?

Which one is it and how soon after I caught your lies were my posts made invisible on the other board?

Yes I had one broken link out of 8. I was losing 12.5% of the business and still thought it was good.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

No shit...Paul would NEVER come to GFY and say that his websites were converting great if they weren't. He would come here instead and say, "You know guys, my Petra site seems to be lagging a bit since I opened it last month. Especially in the CCBill sales. Do you guys think it's because of my shitty content on the tour or my bad grammer?"

If you buy a car and it says gas mileage is 17 City/ 25 Highway . . are they lying?

i think that guy has all his cliches in a row.

I think that mail was from someone that works in adult.

wtf is going on here? :mad:

Now that was funny :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
[steals epigram]

Interestingly enough, Mark/his customer brings up a valuable point, and one all webmasters and program owners alike should give serious consideration to.

SO MANY companies leave too much money on the table, both throwing it away from themselves and from their webmaster affiliates by NOT making it top priority to take care of their customers once they've received the initial sale.

To break it down simply: all customer service is, or Should Be, are MARKETING OPPORTUNITIES not only to do right by the customer, but to keep them as a lifetime member of your site and program. And this includes cancelling the member, refunding them if it's called for, and not trying to work them for every penny before they leave...because even those customers who left for whatever reason will come back if you take care of them appropriately (i.e. promptly, professionally and kindly). Because ya know what, most of your online colleagues are not taking good care of them, and thus, the customer will return to you and your site because you did.

It always amazes me that this concept is so simple, yet so many seem to forget it or not care...or maybe they are just not smart enough to have the right support mentalities to truly capitalize on making more money with their support departments.

I've been an adult site webmaster and program owner for over 11 years now; and I attribute my online success and longevity primarily to taking superior care of my customers. IF you are a true entrepreneur, you will take this concept, incorporate it into your business model and pick up the money that is being left on the table.

</cs rant>

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

insightful analysis on the part of a member? no try basic business school, community college stuff
"it take more money to get new customers then to keep the ones you already have"
it is beyond basic business to the point of homer simpson


spaz

Jesus Christ, nobody here said that our buisness models were something the average person (ie. surfer) couldn't understand. They are saying that there is no way a surfer writes him an email wanting to talk shop about the business aspect of porn. I've been doing the paysite thing for seven years and i've received a few emails from people who want to talk shop but it's usually talking about girls that I have worked with or wanting to know what it's like to get my cock sucked by a different cutie every day. Surfers don't want to talk about sign up to rebill ratios. I've never written an email to the GM of any car dealership to share my thoughts about turnover and be-back ratios. And if you believe that this email was from a surfer you are a tool.

Paul had his daily spam all planned out but he took such an ass pounding with Thurday's debacle that he didn't dare write his 'insightfull' post as being his own words because he was afraid we would rip him apart. Instead he got the, what he thought was, briliant idea to post it as coming via email from a member. Just fess up Paul...you wrote that yourself. You know it, I know it and everyone else here (except for spazlabz) knows it.

:angrysoap

LOL

I think part of the problem that people think this email is a fake is that there are quirks in the email that are similar to your posting style...

Terms like the following:

bleeding money:
gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=4708370&highlight=bleeding#post47 08370

bleeding cash:
gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=2955709&highlight=bleeding#post29 55709

bleeding everyone dry:
gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=791178&highlight=bleeding#post791 178


flak:
gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=10553360&highlight=flak#post10553 360


flak:
gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=330936&highlight=flak


ducks in a row:
gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=2790979&highlight=ducks#post27909 79

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

HAHA Classic.

I have told you, and all uk webmasters have told you - But you don't listen.
Keep trying to sell your over-saturated shit content - And keep asking the qustion and telling everybody the answer.
<!---get a fucking life starts here
Original content sells and retains - Retaining a customer is far more profitable than seeking a new one --->

Yeah, surprisingly, it's something my mom said to me when I was very young. It stuck with me, I guess.

That's very creepy, because I was just saying that to someone on the phone ... how it was clearly Paul because of that exact reason ...

Thank you for the complimant of our content being sold so widely. Why do you think so many buy it so much?

I know better than anyone what kind oof content sells and retains. I have to otherwise our content would not be saturated in the biggest niche in porn.

Buddha say: Man who types with one hand, works half as hard.

Welcome to the show.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...light=bleeding a thread from 2004

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...highlight=flak Text not found and from 2004. So I gave up.

I use a few cliches many people use and that's your proof. Well done Sherlock Holmes.

Do you know what's really scary is people would rather ignore what this member says in favor of appearing like an idiot.

Stu stop being so arrogant. Just because no one write to you it does not follow no one writes to anyone. Pam for instance is always telling us members talk to her.

So do other sponsors. Maybe you need to change your tack and cultivate members more. I do it on the message board on the paysite all the time and it works.

Yeah I read some of the posts on your 'message board' the other day. Its amazing how nobody posts anything even a slight bit negative (broken links, unable to login, etc.). Instead, all the surfers seem to PRAISE your site for some reason. :1orglaugh I wonder if I left a message on your board if it would show up. I know it wouldn't so I'm not even gonna try.

Hey guys if you want a good laugh check out Paul's 'message board' sometime. The link is at the bottom of every one of his websites. Oh and don't worry Paul, I've bookmarked this thread and I'll be sure to bump it on a regular basis...I know you want/need the exposure! :thumbsup

Gay porn ?

Searched for more than any other niche....

Go back and read it again then, you missed something.

Could it be that I fix those problems right away and then delete the thread because it's no longer relevant?

Maybe on your site the broken links don't get fixed so fast, maybe you get more complaints. But you said surfers don't talk to you so maybe it's only complaints you get.

Yes we get broken links, we get videos that do not load, because I'm stupid and forget to tag them as videos, we get people forget their log ins, we did have a problem with hackers auto downloading and grinding the site to a halt while we were asleep and unable to boot them out. Got a problem at the moment with one member and his download speed, I think it's his routing, but he says otherwise.

But why leave those threads up after they are resolved? Only someone very stupid would do that and only only a little bit stupid.

Like I said not everyone does it the same way as you. I'm sure you are great and few can do it better. But ............

Incidentally most of the threads are compliments, but as everyone will tell you our content is sold very widely. Could the compliments and sales be because we are good at shooting porn?

Just a shot in the dark.

You can post there and I will leave it up so long as it's not linking to another site, unless you return the compliment. Will be interesting to see what others say.

Searched for, could that be it's harder to find?

What business are you in?

Because if you think Gay is bigger than Teens it's not the porn business.

I never said the most successful, most searched, or hardest to find.

I said the biggest niche and Teen is the biggest niche.

FACT: Teen is the most oversaturated niche in porn. Paul knows this.

Did you answer the email?

Yes TEEN is over saturated.

Fortunately lots of the sites don't cut it. Which leave a lot of very good money for those that do. Now tell us that you can't convert TEEN so no one else can. :1orglaugh

Do you want me to list all the sites that do cut it and make very good money or do you want to quit when you're behind?

I have a raging hardon

me posing while ridingb


http://www.nymalegigolos.com/master-pics/bike.jpg

The best thing I ever did was start investing heavily in content and feeds to keep members happy.... Rebills are what keeps me in business.

Got to agree with that... Most teen sites don't cut it.... Gotta admit that we do very well with our teen traffic tho :1orglaugh

auto rebills where the surfer lets his card just be charged is really down regardless what site you have going, but if you have good updates they will come back and rejoin

Very true. We keep buying and adding to the site. It keeps members longer but the really good thing is the guys who come back in say 4 to 6 months to get all the new stuff. You have to please him the first time round though. :winkwink:

EB spot on.

I think the surfers we all sell to, in the main, are an educated lot. Of course some fear that and moan about, others are trying to educate them more.

I also think sites shot by one guy, one way, one style are very boring after a while. How many times do you want to see the same cock get blown the same way?

Stu got a letter from the surfer who sent the one this thread is about and the surfer does know what he's talking about. He knows a few here, I'm waiting for Stu to come clean and tell us about the email.

He sent it to me as well.

And lastly, because I have better things to do on a Sunday night, the reason there are so many TEEN sites is because many work. To argue the niche is saturated because they do not work is stupid. Like saying my content does not work because it's over sold. People who say this are telling you they can't make it work.

You are so very full of shit. I can't believe you want this thread to stay alive.

Marketing 101: It's cheaper to hold on to existing customers than it is to find new ones.

This is actually a major concept taught in begining marketing classes.

Okay, so Paul hit's me up on ICQ and asks me if I got some email from his 'member'. Smells fishy if you ask me. What do you guys think? Here is the chat log...

Many here think it's best to ignore or denounce this email rather than accept it as a genuinely from a member. If you feel it is genuine you have to address his concerns. If you denounce it you can carry on as you are.

Stu feels it's fishy, even though the sender has obvious knowledge of the business, knowledge I did not posess. Is it better for Stu to denounce the email or accept it?

Is the sender still talking like me?

I would say a very large part of the small income the paysite makes is from members coming back after a few months. Am I better at this than others, do all sites get these rejoins or is it a case of "I don't so no one else does".

lmao... nice. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

LOL this guy is funny as fuck. He spams and gets caught out all the time but just ignores it and continues. Does it work for you? I hope so. Because you look like a joke.

PM is a great laugh! Not his jokes are a great laugh but he is!

Well... I rather promoting _LB_ with his "lying (Your words..)" than promoting your sites with traffic leaks on your tour and saying that you would never remove the links.

You are also calling your business Greedy Business:

Why would I take you serious if:

- You call your business Greedy Business
- You call your sites boring
- You call your sites shit
- You have traffic leaks
AND GODDAMN WORST OF ALL!!!
- You are pointing fingers at a honest program (Titanbucks) for lying to his affiliates!!! IF SOMEONE IS NOT TAKING HIS AFFILIATES AND HIS POTENTIAL SERIOUS THAN IT SHOULD BE YOU!!!

Paul, Paul, Paul. Since I have no return address to send an official reply to your 'member' I will post this here. We both know that you are the same person anyways.

In your email you ask me what I was doing before I got into this business. Well Paul, unfortunately for you I spent a little over two years studying criminology with a minor in (criminal) psychology. One of the many things I learned in my studies was how to tell when people are being decitful in both spoken words and writing. Basically, how to understand what people are REALLY telling you.

There are 10 reasons why I KNOW that you wrote that email. My thinking that you wrote the original sniplet that started this thread was just a strong hunch that was fortified by every rebuttal you made later on. Well, let's not waste any more time...here are the reasons:



Well Paul, are you gonna confess yet? I suspect that you won't but that instead you'll continue to post more evidence to support that you and him are the same person.

What really hurts me the most though Paul is the name calling. We've all had a great laugh here (at your expense) but I have never sunk so low as to call you names. Yes, I regretably suggested earlier that you had "shitty" content. I wish I had said 'saturated' instead. :( Unfortunately we can not take things back once they are posted here.

The supposed lie Paul presented to divert attention was based on some amazingly loose logic and some rather questionable assumptions. It really is a major compliment that the best he could do is pick on a site description on the program site page where the designer had used some of his content :)

If you try hard enough you can always come up with something, and if thats the best he had ... business is rock solid :)

Paul you speak about it being easier to retain a customer than find a new one. Does that also apply to affiliates? I icqed you asking about text links to your site. You couldnt even be assed to reply (a few icqs actually).

Theres no chance im promoting you now mate.