It will repeat 3 days before the day after tomorrow from what I understand.... :Oh crap

Oh looky, someone else who didn't watch the movie and yet wants to comment on how it's wrong... go figure.

Please tell me where CO2 levels in the atmosphere fit into your little theory there.

Its all my fault sorry. Now our planet is going to overheat and we are going to go into an ice age, or have tsunamis or, hurricanes or penguins and polar bears are going to die... :Oh crap

I'm throwing in there that this is all evolution. Happened before, and will happen again. Scientists just like to throw shit together to make themselves feel like they're actually doing something useful, but really, no one knows whats going on. All that can be said is our time is about up. Time for another Ice Age and some stronger species to develop.

I feel like I'm in a great time of history. I don't have to worry about the future at all. Either we go to war and kill ourselves; the world freezes over; or we find the cure to all problems through mechanics. Whichever comes, I know I don't have to do shit.

It's sad that you think it's humorous. I'll be sure to come find you if it ever happens and see how fucking funny you think it is then.

No worries Ive got 5000 cans of aquanet hairspray I stored up. Im going to start spraying them into the air today. Someone keep track of the ozone layer and see if they notice a change......

Ive also got a bunch of non dolphin friendly tuna nets Im on my way to throw in the ocean along with a bunch of those plastic things that hold 6 packs together. After im done with that Im on my way to cut down a bunch of trees and going to do that with a diesel guzzling backhoe. If anyone has ever cut down a redwood before can you give me advice on this? My only concern is mostly about the iceage they kept telling us about back then. I hate the cold....

ill be doing a presentation on it

Yes but only a simpleton would not be able to logically conclude that with 100's of millions more people on this earth that we are having some kind of affect.

Do you really think man doesn't impact the environment?

Seriously?

Yah, you look like a scrawny little prick that would fall over in a strong wind, I'd hate the cold if I were you too.

They honestly don't. Shit, it's as simple as 2+2.

I mean, I really have no idea if man's causing current climate change... But whenever man's impact on the environment comes up it reminds me of being a kid realizing I'd never see certain things due to man's impact: an awesome tide pool area off Half Moon Bay turned sewage, wetlands turned concrete, water I'd never swim in again -- shit like that.

Dunno. Maybe I ate too many shrooms and hugged a few too many trees or something. *shrug* I'm off my rocker enough to think a magic bullet would involve population control, but then again, it could be a flashback making me think that.

haha resort to name calling oh my. How will my tiny self handle it lol. Im a dainty wittle boy.... lol

What should I of expected from a mac using coffee drinking uppity up from Seattle anyways... I grew up in North Western PA. Im pretty familiar with the cold, and I can handle it. Sorry if I prefer sunny and warm areas. :winkwink:

only a simpleton would suggest that anyone is arguing that we have no effect at all.

and that IS the question... "WHAT is the effect" - this debate exists because there is no agreement to that simple question on any level at all. all you hear is psuedo science, scare tactics and mindless referrences to ice ages and climatic cycles. thats the problem. We can't predict rain this saturday with 100% certainty... much less what will happen over a period of 100 or 1000 years. of course we should be concerned. but that concern should be substantiated with solid science... not fear mongering, scare tactics and propaganda... thats why the issue starts to lose its audience.



i don't recall seeing anyone ever argue that man has zero impact on climate.

Personally, I don't want to believe in Global Warming. I've got enough shit to worry about as it is, but I'm not easily convinced of anything, and I can't find anyone reliable to dispel the theory. If I search for skeptics I run across a short list of names, the vast majority of whom are tied directly to energy companies or to think tanks subsidized by energy companies.

If I try to convince friends of this, like the other day, I say, "Hey Mel, check it out! Robert C. Balling at ASU insists mankind has little impact on global warming."

Cocksure Mel, he says, "Shit, Duke you stupid prick. Balling he been on the Exxon tip for years. They gave him $400,000. You pay me $400,000, I'll do anything you say. I will even call you smart and handsome."

"Easy Mel," I say. "Easy now. Sallie Baliunas tells me the same thing. This chick's a Harvard professor, too. So roll that up, Mel. Roll that up in your GED and smoke it."

"Well, golly gee, Duke," Melly Mel retorts. "Sallie's worse than that Balling when it comes to bobbing on the big oil knob. The girl get around. She a member of at least nine organizations which receive financial support from the petroleum industry, including the American Petroleum Institute?and they don?t just make Vaseline."

At this point, Mel starts insulting me, calling me gullible and a chucklehead.

He tells me that Rupert Murdoch and even Pat Robertson now believe that Global Warming is a threat. Worse still, that ExxonMobil, just this month, did a 180 and now says, "We know enough now ? or, society knows enough now ? that the risk is serious and action should be taken."

I?m fit to be tied, so I do what I normally do in these situations: I shut down and start yelling out lines from Scarface. ?Goodbye Mel!? I shout. ?Maybe you can find yourself a first-class ticket to the resurrection!"

Somebody, help me, please, gimme a little sugar to shut my smug friend up.

The intelligence it takes to call someone out for something then do exactly that is mind boggling.

It's no wonder that you have no argument or skills in debate, just stupid semi-humorous quips.

The fact that I use a Mac, drink coffee, and live in one of the most technologically advanced & forward thinking cities is not much of a put down, try harder.

THat really impressed you ...

When will you stop posting it .. after 10 times... oups, you already posted more than 10 times .... please stop after 100 times...

It is like a joke, it is funny the first time, but the others .....

scary shit - yes
but do something - anything you can about it - do your own part
within a month I should be close to carbon neutral - but still need todo more..

Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
First it is ridiculed.
Second it is violently opposed.
Third it is regarded as self-evident.

- Schopenhauer

It's really scary to see either people who don't care or simply just don't want to see what is going on. It's easy to see that we are exploiting the earth at a speed that it can simply not substain and that everything happening is cause by human. The earth is limited in resource and we are using more than what it can provide us.

We are all connected in this biodiversity. Each species interact with each other. If you do some research you'll see that right now we are in the 6th massive instinction of earth history. There's less than 10% of the big fish in the ocean, more than 25% of the mamal are facing extinction and more species are disappearing from the face of the earth everyday. Just go see some Coral reef to see how bad they are. The earth condition is not getting better everyday... it's just getting worst.

I'm not worried about life. Life will survive on earth what ever happen. It's just really sad that the humankind that is at the same time incredibly intelligent and capable of such nice thing is at the same time so stupid.

100........

It was pretty crazy! Scary stuff

That, my friends, is the only truly intelligent post in this entire thread.

"Known for its massive ice sheets, Greenland is feeling the effects of global warming as rising temperatures have expanded the island's growing season and crops are flourishing. For the first time in hundreds of years, it has become possible to raise cattle and start dairy farms."


http://www.spiegel.de/international/...434356,00.html

yep, well said...things would have been much better

A few economies will collapse, but we already have the technology for other methods of transportation :thumbsup

Duracel will be raking in the cash instead of the oil companies, haha.

I did watch that movie 2 weeks ago and spended my whole weekend on that subject then. I have ordered 10 copies for my employees and will send out more to my friends. Hopefully this way more people will understand our environmental problems and see that there is so much more in this world then only money.

2 things from the movie who hit me most were:
- the balance with on 1 side the gold bars and the other side our earth
- the ice bear who couldn't find ice to rest/life on anymore

I'm sure we humans can really still change everything, but have to act much and much faster than what we did now. And people have to use their brains. And certainly stop with fucking ! We already have much too much people on this planet!

You can download it here:
Torrent: http://torrentspy.com/torrent/906260...D_rip_divx_avi

it was a excellent documentary

Alrighty then...

:thumbsup

is that what ended the ice age?

which one? :winkwink:

People that take that movie as fact.... well... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

What I love is the only people speak out against global warming are paid by oil companies and the righties dont see this as weird. Like its a attack to drive more fuel efficient cars and not be wasteful. If you dont want to think green,you want to end terrorism, get off oil.We dont use oil anymore, we wouldnt be involved in the middle easts problems.

Hmm I like your contrarian approach, but wouldn't that mean that whenever a bunch of scientists alarm us about anything in the future we can just dismiss it and say it's non-sense and there's a "natural cause"?

- Mass fish dying in continental rivers in the 70s
- Forests dying rapidly in early 80s due to "sour" rain from sulphuric emissions
- Smoking's influence on probability of death due to lung cancer
- ...

The list could go on and on. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. But it always started with a group of scientists that were in a minority in the beginning and decades later we largely accept reality as if public opinion never was any different. How can we just dismiss the remote chance of a danger lying ahead of us by our personal opinion or (cough cough) party affiliation?

Now I am not saying Al Gore and his minions are right. But what if he is?

To me its one thing to argue that we need to take better care of our natural resources such as fish, oil, forests, minerals and a totally different one regarding our effect on causing massive global warming at a rapid pace that would not be happening naturally if we didn't exist.

I truly believe we have almost nothing to do with the "global warming" that is being seen over the decades. ITs the ebbs and flows of this planet. Happened for the billions of years before us and will continue for millions more after us.

But I am all up for the conservation of our natural resources. Especially the conservation of our forrests and parks so that the whole world doesnt become one giant suburb.

Pshhh Al Gore Propaganda he is the Micheal Moore of the environment