51 idiots named Will with delusions of grandeur.

bath her and bring her to me, I know shit about paysites but I'm an expert
when it comes to train girlfriends, No Cure No Pay you can't lose :thumbsup

yeah wonders were done with Zango :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

HAHA Nice.

You could still turn this around and get some consultancy gigs. Here's an idea
that might work. Offer a No Cure No Pay guarantee, if your consultancy tips
don't work you'll refund your consultancy fees and any money lost due to the
changes you suggested. That might convince a few people to give it a go :-)

If you take this advice I charge you a $2K fee for the idea....which is a bargain considering how much you could make with it :winkwink:

You don't seem to realize that most sponsors are the same bunch of amateurs that most affiliates are. The only reason why they're sponsors is BECAUSE THEY CAN. And yes, many's existance depends solely on affiliates. Sad but true.

show me your stats, ill join thru your ref code and you let me in on your traffic sources and guarantee a similar return over X amount of months and ill pay you 10k.

This thread should really be pinned.

Imma prolly bump this like... forever.

I wasn't talking about the programs ran by anyone who could afford to get a rented NATS license and decided to start a program. I'm talking about the ones
that actually run a good business and make money.

I'm not trying to diss small programs that actually make a living from it. There's
a few small ones that work for the ones who run it. I have a lot of respect for
those, in fact I have a lot of respect for anyone who had the balls to do this
kind of work for a living wether they make millions or just enough to make ends
meet. These people will survive with anything they do.

There's unfortenately too many idiots in this business who think they'll make
it. The miracly days have long gone, right now if you fail in any other business
than adult, you will fail here aswell. The same rules apply to adult as in other
industry. Unless you understand what you are doing and equally important
you have to understand what you don't understand and make sure you have
someone who takes care of those parts you won't survive.

If you don't have all the requirements of starting up something really good
you're better off not starting it at all. Running programs is not the only way
to make money many people could make a lot more money promoting other
programs than running 1 themselfes.

Of course there's exceptions and very stupid but overly lucky people who
will slide through and all the luck to those....but if you gamble to one of
those when you know you don't have all the blocks needed to make it the
sensible way you shouldn't be suprised and whine when it fails.

Shit I can't believe I spend so much time in this thread. By no means do I
want imply that I hold the wisdom as I know I don't, else I wouldn't be
working anymore or at least not for the money lol.

I just see so many people trying to explain other people on how to run their
business and always wonder, if you really knew then why didn't you do it
yourself and come here to teach others something you haven't achieved yourself.

That's all folks, this is some good weed I'm smoking, must get some more of this. :thumbsup

It's called consulting. Multi-billion dollar industry. :winkwink:

hahaha you got me there.....hmm I should tap into that business aswell thanks
I'll pay you something if your advice works :1orglaugh

Do you accept food stamps?

So far you have excused the blatant lack of professionalism of many sponsor programs by saying they don't evolve (I assume you meant revolve) around affiliates and now by casting doubts on those delivering a message.

Wiser people may recognize that a message has its own validity, regardless of who delivers it. In any case, several of the more sensible comments and implications from this thread are Business 101 and you have failed to explain how anyone is better off ignoring such basics, regardless of his attitude to towards affiliates.

Wiser people also would not jump to conclusions about people of whom they know little or nothing and label them with sweeping generalizations. I have no idea about Will's or DX' background, but I have started three totally different 7-figures businesses from scratch (the first of which reported $450 million in sales in the last year before it became part of Deutsche Poste). Despite retiring into this business because of ill-health and working alone in it, I pulled mid 6-figures when I worked full time.

There is a kernel of truth in some of your comments: there are indeed several possible business models. But they are all capable of being applied badly and more often than not are. As has been said, the majority of sponsors are no more professionals than most affiliates. And they are equally unwilling to learn. They have nice homes and fancy cars, what else do they need?

They don't need anything else if indeed they have fulfilled their ambitions and are close to making enough money to live on for the time they have left. But I will guarantee you that even if some of today's programs are still around in 5-10 years, most will have different owners. Not even a dozen of the currently big programs show the signs of having what it takes to survive and prosper in an increasingly competitive market.

this guy is a joke

You'll probably have to compete with the likes of IBM, Accenture, PriceWaterhouseCooper, Cap Gemini, etc.

You are right, simple things like sending BBW traffic to a site that has bbws but only has a signup page with skinny chicks on it.... there is no way to know if this is good or not until i know their business strategy. Perhaps their strategy is to lose sales. Stupid me for assuming otherwise.

LOL Jimmie, just because it takes you 6 months to 10K doesn't mean you need to be jealous.

If i did this work for someone I would make less a week then i normaly do. Hence the yes I really don't have time to do it but If someone takes their business seriously and wants to improve it I would do the work for them to help them.

Thanks for playing Jimmie, we get humor from you and hopefully some debate started on what sponsors totally lack and if they care to improve. Don't take it personally Jimmie, you are really not a "sponsor" anyway, I think someone needs more then 10 affiliates to actually be considered a sponsor. :2 cents:

:thumbsup save me from bumping.

You're an asshat Will. Accept it.

Just a couple of things:

Everyone is laughing at you, why can't you see that?

You have NO idea how many affiliates I do or do not have. You look like fucking retard for acting like you do.

Dude, I have done more in this industry in the last 3 months than you will all year. You are a fucking pyramid affiliate. Nothing more.

Stop acting important, you're not.
















God DAMN you're a jackass.

Some things are so easy to see even an idiot can tell it they could be doing it a lot better.

As for as credentials, I've made all my own promos for about 5 years now and generated over 18,000 signups last year just from clickcash.

Now I am signing up to a bunch of new programs for a new project and I see a lot of them suck. Not only do they suck but they have things set up where I can't even use my own custom shit. For example, at least give me a blank signup page let me load it in an iframe and let build something around it. If they don't care fuck'em less sales for them.

I don't need a job and like i said I really don't have the time to do this anyway. A change of pace would be refreshing and it would be fun to take a program that needs help and fix it. Maybe a little more of a challenge and ego thing, to show that i can and to help them. If I was doing it for the money alone I would charge a lot more then that. But I need to at least make something to compensate me for lost income on my own stuff while i help them.

I really didn't expect anyone to take the offer, thought it would make an interesting discussion on affiliate companies and the tools they provide to affiliates. It's not like it just benefits the affiliate if they have better tools which convert better which also makes the company more money as well. Pretty common sense there but seems like some of you missed that 1 +1 =2.

Please, Continue...

Sounds like you want to do some consulting for me. Wow that would be a interesting concept, sig whore who makes at best $500 a week and who likely has never sent more then 5 signups a week to a program is trying to consult someone who grossed well over 7 figures last year.

But please continue I am listening, just let me know where to send you the check for your valuable information :1orglaugh :thumbsup



So question to affiliate companies? Who is in charge of making your promos?

no please keep them. :1orglaugh


thanks for showing up, you "complete" this thread :thumbsup

You saying there is no tooth fairy?? :(

Sure... agree. There are sponsors and sponsor cannon fodder (affiliates) and a basic desire to talk crap and hype, while investing little and hoping to grab as many dollars as possible. It's noticable that sponsors are have little clue over affiliates - they just happen to have created a "program".

The quality of what are claimed to be "creatives" is a joke - rarely can anything be less creative.

That said, there are a handful of rare exceptions - and some very good guys seriously working their businesses and trying to generate something worthwhile while the rest throw up any old crap as creatives, attempt to create attention with stupid prizes for kids and generally talk shit on GFY and elsewhere. Would you trust your business with these people?? :)

You said it Will :thumbsup

I like it when other affiliate programs suck balls, makes it easier for the rest of us that already know what we're doing.

don't take this the wrong way but what have you done/do you do in this biz that gives you the knowledge base needed to make the statements you've made above?

Do you count the 15k or so worth of prepaids I sold last week? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh



The simple fact is Will, I run a program. You don't. No one in their right mind is going to pay you SHIT for consulting.
















Also, you're a fucking liar. "Well over 7 figures" my ass.

I'm going to have to agree, that would be 10 MILLION PLUS.

LOL, nice prices

You running a "program" is the perfect example of what I am talking about. Come on Jimmie, so I take it you make the promos for LavendarCash. What the fuck do you know that qualifies you to know what promos work and which ones don't when you have likely never generated more then 5 sales a week in your life. Thank you for illustrating my point. People can now have a picture of what I am trying explain here.


So the other thing you are saying is that because I don't run a program I am not qualified to consult for other programs when it comes to marketing tools and promos. :1orglaugh What circular backwards thinking there. So only program owners, most of which don't do it right, should be the ones to consilt other programs. LOL If that is the case they might as well buy each other drinks and say each other's programs are top notch and call it a day and save their money.



I haven't added it up for last year yet to be exact, but 2005 was 1.3 million in sales to just clickcash. Believe it or not. I know not believing it makes more sense to you and allows you to sleep at night and feel better about yourself.

To everyone else, i am not an aggorant prick who makes post like this to everyone, just to Jimmie. I have a special place for him in my heart.

EDIT 1.3 million was from my OWN personal sales. Not counting one penny i made from the 10% i get from helping others.

Just to clarify. I don't think all programs suck. For that matter the program might not suck at all. Their support might be good, they may have great sites and content, etc...

Everything I am making reference to in this thread when I say they suck is in regards to the promos and marketing tools that they give to affiliates to promote their sites. Some suck worse then others but I have seen very very few ones do a good job.

I guess no one wants some few suggestions on how to make their promos and affiliate tools better.

That is dangerous for programs to do, can easily be abused by unscrupulous affiliates and put you over a 1% CBR :2 cents:

So Will76,did you get any offer by now?

Well if they own a site that has a variety of niches on it and don't want you to create your own signup pages then they should do a better job with the ones they offer for you to use.

If someone abused it I think it would set off red flags quick if the company is half way run right. I am not talking about the signup form itself, just the shit that goes on the sides of it, top and bottom etc..

NO, and i am not surprised either. Very few people here know me and to be honest I don't blame them for not being interested if they don't know me or understand what I can do for most of them. I think if someone did have me help them they would be presently shocked at how much better they can make their affiliate program and how much more money this would generate through better conversions and new webmasters.

Either way now that I am dealing with some of these companies as an affiliate I hope they hire someone because what some of the provide is shit. It is rather frustrating, I guess i have been spoiled with clickcash where i was able to make 100% of my promos, custom my own signup pages, etc... But what do i know, i have probably sent more then 100,000 signups in the last 5 years with an average ratio of about 1:250 from a variety of good and bad traffic. I'm just a noob with "delusions of grandeur." :1orglaugh

I still would love for 1 company to step up and explain how they determine who is in charge of their promos ?

Seriously, i think hiring people like Jimthefiend to run a "program" and come up with promos and marketing tools is more of the norm around here. People like that have no qualifications, likely never sent 100 signups in their entire life, are no in charge of supplying webmasters what they need to be successful :upsidedow ..... being successful, something they obviously couldn't do on their own and know nothing about. :thumbsup

This is how a affiliate program should be run:

The interesting thing is when we design and architect a server, we don't design it for Windows or Linux, we design it for both.

- Michael Dell

Why not build your own paysite/program and show everyone how you do it?

i just raised my rates by 50% http://www.nymalegigolos.com/master-pics/huh.gif

Oh well, I doubt anyone will take you up on that Will. Not because I think you lack the experience and idea's but because this is GFY :)

I think its a legitimate offer for affiliate programs who are struggling with profits! And I know a lot of them are, or are in debt and struggling to make very much profit.

I will say it again. A lot of people LIVE RICH on here cooing about their nice cars and houses but a lot of them are just IN DEBT and NOT rich

Get will76 to show you how to keep those profits high so you don't have to be in fucked debt to keep up the nice lifestyle you want.

That sounds good. You obviously make a good living. Invest some of your money into your own affiliate program!

because then, instead of living in fantasy land, he'd have to live in the real world.:winkwink:

wow that's a lot of money for a minute

hitting _____ chat and ___ dot com must have really slowed up lately < did I say that outloud? >

:)

j/k

But seriously folks....he does actually have some VERY nice pages setup and some amazing custom join pages :thumbsup

LOL come on man. You really think that providing a variety of good promos, tools, offering niched based signup pages, etc is asking too much? You right maybe it is only in a fantasy world that some of you would offer such things.

Opening my own membership sites is an idea I have been playing with and I am working on a few things. I will see how it developes and if I think it is something new and innovative I will open it up to others. If it turns out to be just another pics and video site with another catchy name then no, I am not going to waste my time on that and I will drop it. I wouldnt want to be "just another bullshit membership site" , you know the same shit people keep starting over and over every day. How many variations can some of you come up with, bigcockswhitechicks, whitebabesonblackcocks, massivecockstightchicks, blackcocksinwhitegirls, etc. I refuse to do the same shit that everyone else is doing. And if I do it I am going to make sure I can do it right.

My offer has nothing to do with "well if you think you can do it better yourself then do it". I am offering to help people, I am not saying " nananana I can do it better then you".

There is a ton of work involved with running a "real" affiliate program, especially the bigger ones with 100's of affiliates. Like I said earlier, I am sure some of the companies are great with customer service, support, have nice looking content, etc... but 90% of them either neglect their promos and marketing tools, or don't know they suck, or just don't give a shit and are happy with what they are making. :2 cents:

Ok, so no sponsors want to explain how they determine who is incharge of promos, and no sponsors want a little quick look over for suggestions....

I even managed to shut up Jimmie's big mouth on this one.

Most successful program owners know to the last detail how to maximize every last word of every paysite for profit. You just get lazy. What you'll generally see is a burst of energy every few years where everything gets fixed just right, then it gradually slides into obsolescense before the next big burst of energy.

Now if you made a thread that said you personally would streamline every join page, hook up every cross-sell, make every approval plus page with no effort on the part of the program owners except supervision you might get some takers.

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