Bump it up.

How much if the affiliate wants to come to you, or lives near you and wants to drive down?

Some programs do invest to keep their affiliates happy. They say it's because they make more money that way. But what do I know? :winkwink:

I would be very surprized if Will does get any offers. But that won't be because of who he is and certainly not because sponsors are in this business to make money for themselves and not affiliates. That is one of the dumbest rationalizations possible, since the two go hand in hand.

Sponsors who - for example - don't answer their emails, choose not to answer them because they dont give a f*ck. They don't pretend it doesn't cost them money, they simply don't care. The same principle applies to almost every way in which so many sponsors lose out on the business they could be doing if they had any real ambition. But they make - by their own standards - a reasonable amount of money without much effort and that is apparently enough.

I must admit- I like the, "I really don't have time for this or you, so I'm doing you a HUGE favor by allowing you to give me a large sum of money.


I think I used to employ this strategy with my ex-husband. :1orglaugh

Did it work?

I've got an entire walk-in closet packed to the gills with shoes and purses. :Graucho

Just passing by.....

well you gave the answer yourself already which proves my point

This is the only motivation.....and of course nobody will tell their affiliates they
give a shit about what they think, that wouldn't be wise now would it :winkwink:

there's a ton of ways how to run a successful business it all depends on what's
the goal and how fast you want to get there. There's people that want to make
money fast and don't care about the long run, there's people that make money
on cross sales, traffic exchange, member retention, etc, etc.

To have exclusive content, daily updates, blowjobs for members and 20 bonus systems for affiliates doesn't have to be the best way to for everybody in
reaching what he aims for. People don't seem to grasp that.

You can't say this is the right way to do it if you don't know all variables that
come into play for a company and the strategy they use. That's just plain
ignorant to think anyone with half a business brain knows this.

Therefor don't expect any consultancy invitations will coz your rant showed
all these program owners that you have no clue about anything other than
what affiliates would like to see.

Affiliates can serve a purpose doing business but the business does not evolve around affiliates. For some reason affiliates have a problem to grasp
that and think the business couldn't do without them.

If a company's existence would depend primarely on affiliates I wish them
all the luck of the world coz it would be the last position I'd want to be in.

You can't bank your business on something you don't fully control that's business abc first chapter, page one 1.

:thumbsup

I think I got a problems here that you can never resolve - specialy with my girlfriend
but you reffered to some shit regarding paysites so I don't care

If you find her let me know that bitch ripped me off and didn't pay me for a perfectly good tooth I put under my pillow.....you can't trust anyone anymore
these days, what has the world come to :Oh crap

51 idiots named Will with delusions of grandeur.

bath her and bring her to me, I know shit about paysites but I'm an expert
when it comes to train girlfriends, No Cure No Pay you can't lose :thumbsup

yeah wonders were done with Zango :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

HAHA Nice.

You could still turn this around and get some consultancy gigs. Here's an idea
that might work. Offer a No Cure No Pay guarantee, if your consultancy tips
don't work you'll refund your consultancy fees and any money lost due to the
changes you suggested. That might convince a few people to give it a go :-)

If you take this advice I charge you a $2K fee for the idea....which is a bargain considering how much you could make with it :winkwink:

You don't seem to realize that most sponsors are the same bunch of amateurs that most affiliates are. The only reason why they're sponsors is BECAUSE THEY CAN. And yes, many's existance depends solely on affiliates. Sad but true.

show me your stats, ill join thru your ref code and you let me in on your traffic sources and guarantee a similar return over X amount of months and ill pay you 10k.

This thread should really be pinned.

Imma prolly bump this like... forever.

I wasn't talking about the programs ran by anyone who could afford to get a rented NATS license and decided to start a program. I'm talking about the ones
that actually run a good business and make money.

I'm not trying to diss small programs that actually make a living from it. There's
a few small ones that work for the ones who run it. I have a lot of respect for
those, in fact I have a lot of respect for anyone who had the balls to do this
kind of work for a living wether they make millions or just enough to make ends
meet. These people will survive with anything they do.

There's unfortenately too many idiots in this business who think they'll make
it. The miracly days have long gone, right now if you fail in any other business
than adult, you will fail here aswell. The same rules apply to adult as in other
industry. Unless you understand what you are doing and equally important
you have to understand what you don't understand and make sure you have
someone who takes care of those parts you won't survive.

If you don't have all the requirements of starting up something really good
you're better off not starting it at all. Running programs is not the only way
to make money many people could make a lot more money promoting other
programs than running 1 themselfes.

Of course there's exceptions and very stupid but overly lucky people who
will slide through and all the luck to those....but if you gamble to one of
those when you know you don't have all the blocks needed to make it the
sensible way you shouldn't be suprised and whine when it fails.

Shit I can't believe I spend so much time in this thread. By no means do I
want imply that I hold the wisdom as I know I don't, else I wouldn't be
working anymore or at least not for the money lol.

I just see so many people trying to explain other people on how to run their
business and always wonder, if you really knew then why didn't you do it
yourself and come here to teach others something you haven't achieved yourself.

That's all folks, this is some good weed I'm smoking, must get some more of this. :thumbsup

It's called consulting. Multi-billion dollar industry. :winkwink:

hahaha you got me there.....hmm I should tap into that business aswell thanks
I'll pay you something if your advice works :1orglaugh

Do you accept food stamps?

So far you have excused the blatant lack of professionalism of many sponsor programs by saying they don't evolve (I assume you meant revolve) around affiliates and now by casting doubts on those delivering a message.

Wiser people may recognize that a message has its own validity, regardless of who delivers it. In any case, several of the more sensible comments and implications from this thread are Business 101 and you have failed to explain how anyone is better off ignoring such basics, regardless of his attitude to towards affiliates.

Wiser people also would not jump to conclusions about people of whom they know little or nothing and label them with sweeping generalizations. I have no idea about Will's or DX' background, but I have started three totally different 7-figures businesses from scratch (the first of which reported $450 million in sales in the last year before it became part of Deutsche Poste). Despite retiring into this business because of ill-health and working alone in it, I pulled mid 6-figures when I worked full time.

There is a kernel of truth in some of your comments: there are indeed several possible business models. But they are all capable of being applied badly and more often than not are. As has been said, the majority of sponsors are no more professionals than most affiliates. And they are equally unwilling to learn. They have nice homes and fancy cars, what else do they need?

They don't need anything else if indeed they have fulfilled their ambitions and are close to making enough money to live on for the time they have left. But I will guarantee you that even if some of today's programs are still around in 5-10 years, most will have different owners. Not even a dozen of the currently big programs show the signs of having what it takes to survive and prosper in an increasingly competitive market.

this guy is a joke

You'll probably have to compete with the likes of IBM, Accenture, PriceWaterhouseCooper, Cap Gemini, etc.

You are right, simple things like sending BBW traffic to a site that has bbws but only has a signup page with skinny chicks on it.... there is no way to know if this is good or not until i know their business strategy. Perhaps their strategy is to lose sales. Stupid me for assuming otherwise.

LOL Jimmie, just because it takes you 6 months to 10K doesn't mean you need to be jealous.

If i did this work for someone I would make less a week then i normaly do. Hence the yes I really don't have time to do it but If someone takes their business seriously and wants to improve it I would do the work for them to help them.

Thanks for playing Jimmie, we get humor from you and hopefully some debate started on what sponsors totally lack and if they care to improve. Don't take it personally Jimmie, you are really not a "sponsor" anyway, I think someone needs more then 10 affiliates to actually be considered a sponsor. :2 cents:

:thumbsup save me from bumping.

You're an asshat Will. Accept it.

Just a couple of things:

Everyone is laughing at you, why can't you see that?

You have NO idea how many affiliates I do or do not have. You look like fucking retard for acting like you do.

Dude, I have done more in this industry in the last 3 months than you will all year. You are a fucking pyramid affiliate. Nothing more.

Stop acting important, you're not.
















God DAMN you're a jackass.

Some things are so easy to see even an idiot can tell it they could be doing it a lot better.

As for as credentials, I've made all my own promos for about 5 years now and generated over 18,000 signups last year just from clickcash.

Now I am signing up to a bunch of new programs for a new project and I see a lot of them suck. Not only do they suck but they have things set up where I can't even use my own custom shit. For example, at least give me a blank signup page let me load it in an iframe and let build something around it. If they don't care fuck'em less sales for them.

I don't need a job and like i said I really don't have the time to do this anyway. A change of pace would be refreshing and it would be fun to take a program that needs help and fix it. Maybe a little more of a challenge and ego thing, to show that i can and to help them. If I was doing it for the money alone I would charge a lot more then that. But I need to at least make something to compensate me for lost income on my own stuff while i help them.

I really didn't expect anyone to take the offer, thought it would make an interesting discussion on affiliate companies and the tools they provide to affiliates. It's not like it just benefits the affiliate if they have better tools which convert better which also makes the company more money as well. Pretty common sense there but seems like some of you missed that 1 +1 =2.

Please, Continue...

Sounds like you want to do some consulting for me. Wow that would be a interesting concept, sig whore who makes at best $500 a week and who likely has never sent more then 5 signups a week to a program is trying to consult someone who grossed well over 7 figures last year.

But please continue I am listening, just let me know where to send you the check for your valuable information :1orglaugh :thumbsup



So question to affiliate companies? Who is in charge of making your promos?

no please keep them. :1orglaugh


thanks for showing up, you "complete" this thread :thumbsup

You saying there is no tooth fairy?? :(

Sure... agree. There are sponsors and sponsor cannon fodder (affiliates) and a basic desire to talk crap and hype, while investing little and hoping to grab as many dollars as possible. It's noticable that sponsors are have little clue over affiliates - they just happen to have created a "program".

The quality of what are claimed to be "creatives" is a joke - rarely can anything be less creative.

That said, there are a handful of rare exceptions - and some very good guys seriously working their businesses and trying to generate something worthwhile while the rest throw up any old crap as creatives, attempt to create attention with stupid prizes for kids and generally talk shit on GFY and elsewhere. Would you trust your business with these people?? :)

You said it Will :thumbsup

I like it when other affiliate programs suck balls, makes it easier for the rest of us that already know what we're doing.

don't take this the wrong way but what have you done/do you do in this biz that gives you the knowledge base needed to make the statements you've made above?

Do you count the 15k or so worth of prepaids I sold last week? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh



The simple fact is Will, I run a program. You don't. No one in their right mind is going to pay you SHIT for consulting.
















Also, you're a fucking liar. "Well over 7 figures" my ass.

I'm going to have to agree, that would be 10 MILLION PLUS.

LOL, nice prices