You running a "program" is the perfect example of what I am talking about. Come on Jimmie, so I take it you make the promos for LavendarCash. What the fuck do you know that qualifies you to know what promos work and which ones don't when you have likely never generated more then 5 sales a week in your life. Thank you for illustrating my point. People can now have a picture of what I am trying explain here.


So the other thing you are saying is that because I don't run a program I am not qualified to consult for other programs when it comes to marketing tools and promos. :1orglaugh What circular backwards thinking there. So only program owners, most of which don't do it right, should be the ones to consilt other programs. LOL If that is the case they might as well buy each other drinks and say each other's programs are top notch and call it a day and save their money.



I haven't added it up for last year yet to be exact, but 2005 was 1.3 million in sales to just clickcash. Believe it or not. I know not believing it makes more sense to you and allows you to sleep at night and feel better about yourself.

To everyone else, i am not an aggorant prick who makes post like this to everyone, just to Jimmie. I have a special place for him in my heart.

EDIT 1.3 million was from my OWN personal sales. Not counting one penny i made from the 10% i get from helping others.

Just to clarify. I don't think all programs suck. For that matter the program might not suck at all. Their support might be good, they may have great sites and content, etc...

Everything I am making reference to in this thread when I say they suck is in regards to the promos and marketing tools that they give to affiliates to promote their sites. Some suck worse then others but I have seen very very few ones do a good job.

I guess no one wants some few suggestions on how to make their promos and affiliate tools better.

That is dangerous for programs to do, can easily be abused by unscrupulous affiliates and put you over a 1% CBR :2 cents:

So Will76,did you get any offer by now?

Well if they own a site that has a variety of niches on it and don't want you to create your own signup pages then they should do a better job with the ones they offer for you to use.

If someone abused it I think it would set off red flags quick if the company is half way run right. I am not talking about the signup form itself, just the shit that goes on the sides of it, top and bottom etc..

NO, and i am not surprised either. Very few people here know me and to be honest I don't blame them for not being interested if they don't know me or understand what I can do for most of them. I think if someone did have me help them they would be presently shocked at how much better they can make their affiliate program and how much more money this would generate through better conversions and new webmasters.

Either way now that I am dealing with some of these companies as an affiliate I hope they hire someone because what some of the provide is shit. It is rather frustrating, I guess i have been spoiled with clickcash where i was able to make 100% of my promos, custom my own signup pages, etc... But what do i know, i have probably sent more then 100,000 signups in the last 5 years with an average ratio of about 1:250 from a variety of good and bad traffic. I'm just a noob with "delusions of grandeur." :1orglaugh

I still would love for 1 company to step up and explain how they determine who is in charge of their promos ?

Seriously, i think hiring people like Jimthefiend to run a "program" and come up with promos and marketing tools is more of the norm around here. People like that have no qualifications, likely never sent 100 signups in their entire life, are no in charge of supplying webmasters what they need to be successful :upsidedow ..... being successful, something they obviously couldn't do on their own and know nothing about. :thumbsup

This is how a affiliate program should be run:

The interesting thing is when we design and architect a server, we don't design it for Windows or Linux, we design it for both.

- Michael Dell

Why not build your own paysite/program and show everyone how you do it?

i just raised my rates by 50% http://www.nymalegigolos.com/master-pics/huh.gif

Oh well, I doubt anyone will take you up on that Will. Not because I think you lack the experience and idea's but because this is GFY :)

I think its a legitimate offer for affiliate programs who are struggling with profits! And I know a lot of them are, or are in debt and struggling to make very much profit.

I will say it again. A lot of people LIVE RICH on here cooing about their nice cars and houses but a lot of them are just IN DEBT and NOT rich

Get will76 to show you how to keep those profits high so you don't have to be in fucked debt to keep up the nice lifestyle you want.

That sounds good. You obviously make a good living. Invest some of your money into your own affiliate program!

because then, instead of living in fantasy land, he'd have to live in the real world.:winkwink:

wow that's a lot of money for a minute

hitting _____ chat and ___ dot com must have really slowed up lately < did I say that outloud? >

:)

j/k

But seriously folks....he does actually have some VERY nice pages setup and some amazing custom join pages :thumbsup

LOL come on man. You really think that providing a variety of good promos, tools, offering niched based signup pages, etc is asking too much? You right maybe it is only in a fantasy world that some of you would offer such things.

Opening my own membership sites is an idea I have been playing with and I am working on a few things. I will see how it developes and if I think it is something new and innovative I will open it up to others. If it turns out to be just another pics and video site with another catchy name then no, I am not going to waste my time on that and I will drop it. I wouldnt want to be "just another bullshit membership site" , you know the same shit people keep starting over and over every day. How many variations can some of you come up with, bigcockswhitechicks, whitebabesonblackcocks, massivecockstightchicks, blackcocksinwhitegirls, etc. I refuse to do the same shit that everyone else is doing. And if I do it I am going to make sure I can do it right.

My offer has nothing to do with "well if you think you can do it better yourself then do it". I am offering to help people, I am not saying " nananana I can do it better then you".

There is a ton of work involved with running a "real" affiliate program, especially the bigger ones with 100's of affiliates. Like I said earlier, I am sure some of the companies are great with customer service, support, have nice looking content, etc... but 90% of them either neglect their promos and marketing tools, or don't know they suck, or just don't give a shit and are happy with what they are making. :2 cents:

Ok, so no sponsors want to explain how they determine who is incharge of promos, and no sponsors want a little quick look over for suggestions....

I even managed to shut up Jimmie's big mouth on this one.

Most successful program owners know to the last detail how to maximize every last word of every paysite for profit. You just get lazy. What you'll generally see is a burst of energy every few years where everything gets fixed just right, then it gradually slides into obsolescense before the next big burst of energy.

Now if you made a thread that said you personally would streamline every join page, hook up every cross-sell, make every approval plus page with no effort on the part of the program owners except supervision you might get some takers.

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I agree with you that they know how to maximize their income when it comes to cross sales, and upsells, etc.. knowing exactly how much they pay out vs. how much they generate in sales, and the exact amount the average person spends on their site, etc...

I disagree that most program owners know what promos work best, provide good tools, the best layout for their pages, or signup pages etc.. I am sure some get lazy like you mentioned but what I also notice is that some either launch too soon or just never had anything good from day 1.

If i was really serious and looking for work I agree I would have definetly taken a better approach. I am open to helping a company out if they feel they have room to improve and want my services. If they don't want mine then most of them should really get with an affiliate that is successful and get some serious feedback from them and improve their programs. I just thought this would be good topic for discussion and I was curious to see what others think on the same issue.

They (we) also know this intimately, down to what path the average surfer takes through their pages and which pics they look.

The thing you're not getting here is that when you have 60 sites, doing an optimization is an amazing amount of work and good help is hard to find, and sometimes there is a large amount of research involved, especially when you're talking about exit consoles, pop behinds, upsells etc and so on. You usually have to microsupervise everything that gets done. It's a pain in the ass.

Show the work you've done. If it's really that good, you might get some interest from webmasters as long as you'll actually do the work yourself or agree to supervise the designers etc required to get it done. You might be surprised how many webmasters are willing to delegate some responsibility if they think they have someone with half a brain to actually get it done right.

Give away Wiis - that's the secret to success.

yes a rewards program can be very helpful :)

Sounds like you could use a multivariate platform.. feel free to drop me an e-mail if you'd like to hear more about it.

If you're unfamiliar with the methodology, the gist is that it will enable heavily automated statistically significant tests of a wide range of creative variations - enabling you to find the most optimized versions of all of your creatives (landing pages, email offers, join pages, pops) with a fraction of the labor and traffic this would otherwise require.



My e-mail is in the link in my sig, btw.

sounds like a lot of needlessly large words to describe the core function, after tracking joins, of any webmaster referral proggie. Good luck with it though :)

btw the link in your sig isn't working for me.

sorry about that.. dns migration. http://server1.o9o.us/traffic/

and no, it doesn't work anything like that, at all.

those weren't needlessly large words, i hate buzzwords. if you don't know what any of it meant, start googling. i dont have a flash demo. :)

these people do have a demo though, and their product is similar. but mine optimizes automagically (how's that for a buzzword?). theirs is self-service, manual.

http://www.offermatica.com/demos/landing.html

watch that and maybe it'll make more sense. i'm not good at explaining or selling things, i just make money for people ;)

I can tell you that for the most part membership sites, ( pics / videos and solo girl sites) their signup pages are correct at least. Kinda hard to screw that one up since the sign up page should match the site that it is being used for. For those sites I think across the board it is just a lack of innovative tools. Which has nothing to do with optimizing. Sure it takes time to impliment new tools, but if a company can manage to rattle off 60 sites I don't see what they can't put in place good promos and tools to go with them.

The sites that are the worse with tours and signup pages are dating and webcam sites. Sites that typically feature multiple niches but try to take a stab at providing tools for it but mess it up. Or ignore the potential of tapping into niche traffic all together. Like a said this is not a major issue on a solo site.

Sorry but I am not going to post all of my best work on GFY just to prove i know what they hell I am doing. I have been copied way too much and not worth it to me to do this just so some of you can say " oh that does look good" and some of your idiots say " that is dumb" etc... and 100 of you say nothing and start coping it lol. If someone is interested like i have posted a couple times in thread already, give your url and I will give you a little sample of what I think you can do better. Not everything I have done would work for every site. And a LOT of what I would be doing is fixing or changing things that they are already have in place. Suggesting little things like " don't have links to other shit on your signup page" isn't really something that I can display by posting my work here.

It was fun playing with this idea but at this point, it is not worth seriously debating if I am worth it or not, but I would like to continue the discussion of why affiliate companies don't do a much better job with these issues and who typically is in charge of the promos and marketing tools.

damn i need sleep, ignore all the typos. I can translate tomorrow if everyone is having a hard time understanding that. ok off to bed.

hey will76, i left a message in your older thread about bbw traffic. Thought you'd notice the post in this thread sooner.

Also, may i ask you if you provide consultacy services for affiliates?

but you wouldn't be! you'd be the mighty will76 with the wonderful promos, tools, niched based signup pages, etc.
you'd be special! you'd be perfect! you'd have every webmaster.:winkwink:

Any takers yet?


ha ha

I'm not surprised either :glugglug

Will,if you realy think you have knowledge which have drasticly improve one program,then it will be better solution do you use it for yourself.Why give unique knowledge for such nickels to someone if you can use it much effectivly for yourself.

I could easily be wrong, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the original post was to make a point more than it was a serious attempt to drum up some work. Many of the responses, focusing on who made the point, rather than on the point itself, make it all the more valid.

In any case, your point is a cliché and a bad one. My health no longer lets me run a big business, but that doesn't mean my brain has forgotten how. And I'm weak at running a small business because my strength isn't in spending each day dealing with minutiae. Such talent as I have is in coming up with ideas and finding the right people with the know-how to execute them: for twenty years I put that to work in my own businesses and for five hired myself out. I still do, although less actively. Its appeal to me is the variety of challenges together with the absence of some of the more mundane issues which are involved in actually owning a business.

There are many other, entirely reasonable factors which lead some people to work for themselves and some for others.

Whatever Will had in mind, the reality is that there is enough knowledge, publicly available, that more of us should be able to distinguish between people who have been successful despite themselves and people whose success was much more predictable. Similarly we should be able to distinguish between those who achieve a single, often relatively short-lived success and those who are building perhaps in the short-term less spectacular businesses, but much more valuable ones in the long-term.

As it is, many webmasters don't even fully appreciate that there are many different business models within all these groupings. They simply see that so-and-so bought himself a new Ferrari, attempt to analyze how he works and apply what they think they see to their own operation. What they end up doing is often inappropriate to their overall business profile and poorly executed. That combination is why so many fail and if they could have been steered in a more productive direction, the outcome could have been entirely different.

Yes, the proliferation in the use of then, instead of than, is my pet hate.

BTW ... Damage, I'll do my best to send you that info today. Been swamped for a couple of days.

just to clarify, my replies weren't meant to bash anyone or anyone's work or
skills including Will's. Of course there's a bunch of really good programs out there
aswell. A lot of the ones this thread is directed at are run by people who started
their program, made money and are now more busy enjoying their money than
running their business.

Another point is that as dig420 pointed out the amount of work involved.
Apart from doing all the sites support and affiliate support is a LOT of work.
With a good member and affiliate base you need at least 2 persons full time
24/7 just taking care of replying to emails and AIMs

Let me comment about that, while I do see why an honest affiliate would need that; and could use it to boost its income, I see at the same time 100 other affiliates willing to use such "feature" to scam the living shit out of the program and surfers...

Its naive from your part to expect this sort of "tools" or features to be made available to the general affiliate base without at least some base pre-screening :2 cents: