crazy, I hadnt heard about this until now

Watch it: http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?.../17141658/&fg=

5: A Tragic Turn... damn

Good, saved the taxpayers some coin and one less scum bag wasting court time.

Fuck him.

Read the article link posted above, the poor neighbors are pissed that perverts are being lured into their neighborhood. Afraid to let their own children outside.

Well, I guess you are correct. I assumed they had to have a release. Everyone that is on COPS has to sign a release, but I guess since this is a "news" show that is not the case. Here is a quote from the host answering that exact question:

Chris Hansen: It would be more customary to obtain release, but Dateline is a news program not an entertainment program. It really depends on the circumstances. In some sensitive situations involving minors, for example, we have the parents sign release forms.

Off to You Tube!

Are you fucking stupid ? One less pedophile on earth. They can kill them all if you ask me.

Yep that would be great,but one is wishes and second is reality.I was just readed in newspapers how they plan in hungary to legalize child porn(they will reduce minimal age from 18 to 14 years)

It isn't about the person killing himself, it is mainly about the possible violation of the person's rights. I mean, I really have no remorse for the people caught, but the legality surrounding the entire situation is frightening.

Basically, you have the mass media working with a vigilante group and government agents to get people to commit a crime. It just isn't right. It can be classified as coercion in a way, primariarly because it compells the person to defend himself, rather than just take a lawyer and go to trial. It basically forces the person to defend himself and say he "wouldn't have done anything". Right there, it is an admission of guilt, and they get this admission while the cameras are rolling and while the person KNOWS they will be on NBC, a major mass media network. The person is FORCED to save face for the TV (even though it is impossible at this point); the person is so caught up in the situation all they want to do is TRY to save their reputation.

Yes, they are scum bags, but... they are citizens and do not deserve to be harassed by the mass media and government this way.

Well believe it or not..there is a downside to porn.. it seems that most of you like to generalize yourself into one group and to think all of you are good decent people ..you know its bullshit. There are people on this board right now that are exploiting 3rd world country poor women for a hefty profit and you think that is making a "decent" living. Predators are rampant in the porn industry..geesh.

50 death tv shows

hey!!! it could happen :1orglaugh

The guy was a local prosecuter..I wonder how many pedophiles he himself had sent to jail.

any police office would be pissed at this outcome - simply because these guys are taking the law into their own hands, and now someone (even if guilty) has killed themselves. Legally now the show is responsible whether you like it or not for his death. The network can be sued - end of case.

Law is the foundation of democracy that means everyone gets a fair trial by their peers. Hate the predators all you want - despise them, but you simply can't act out murder and revenge on them - then where do you stop?

Porn is never the main reason why someone starts liking underage kids, but we must admit that it does fuel the desires. Stop showing porn and the problem still continues.

Feel free to ask any cop on the street or your lawyer just how right this show is. How about those predators who watch the show and think, "hm, maybe I should be smarter in how I do this". No one ever thinks this show is teaching people to get away with it who could have been caught by the police. There is the chance and you must admit it, that even more kids are being abused because this show is teaching the pedo the tricks used to catch them - they simply adapt so now the cops can't even catch them.

as said at the bottom of the article

Mr. Baldwin said he hopes Murphy won’t be used again.

“We’re going to do whatever we need to do to make sure this doesn’t continue,” he said. “I think it’s a noble cause, but our police department is hired to serve and protect our citizens, and not to expose them to outside threats.”

You don't have a good understanding of how this show works, or the constitution.

First of all, the constitution does allow law enforcement the opportunity to entrap in certain circumstances.

Secondly, read the chat logs. The decoy sets up a profile, lists the age, enters the chatroom and waits. They don't solicit anyone and they don't act first. They sit in the chatroom and wait to be contacted.

Finally, nobody is forced to say anything and many of them don't say a word. They are legally entitled to shut up until they get a lawyer. They are the ones that choose to speak and if they are ignorant of their rights, oh well. Perhaps it would be a good idea for them to contact a lawyer and learn all about their rights before they try and solicit sex from 13 year old children online.

Without this show, how many MORE teachers, rabbi's, ministers, cop's, and military personnel would be soliciting sex from children online?

Did you read about the prosecutor's computers? The police experts couldn't even get into it, there were so many locks on the HD's. They had to send the computer to Sony to see if they could get in. Wonder what they are going to find.

I hope the show continues, and even if it doesn't, I hope the stings do, to an even greater extent.

Bullshit. Most cops would be thrilled with the outcome.

And, anybody can be sued for anything by anyone at anytime, this is America. The show is not to blame here at all. What would they sue the show for? The guy was not exposed on TV until he shot himself, after the fact. It is a news story. He was not exposed on TV prior to him killing himself. Sorry, I don't think you can sue for the POTENTIAL exposure you might receive after a crime and prevail. This is why news organizations are given certain protections.

BTW, the prosecutors sister needs a dose of reality. Her brother was a gay pedophile. End of story. The police didn't make him a gay pedophile. Dateline didn't make him a gay pedophile. He was a gay pedophile long before Dateline and their cameras rolled into town.

The people of Murphy are pissed because they don't want their property values to go down because the world now thinks they are a town full of pedophiles.

this si crazy!!

was only a matter of time. these guys know that if they get caught, their life is fucked. FOREVER. that guy had a lot to lose. probably everything he had worked his whole life for.

why??????

is there a video link?

everytime i saw that show, i would always wonder when someone was going to have a gun. i figured it was only a matter of time.. :/

Is this on YouTube yet?

You're an idiot. Cops are most definitely not happy with the outcome of this episode. Every single case that prosecutor tried (esp. those involving pedophiles) is going to have the verdict set aside, retried and quite possibly a conviction not secured due to the possibility that the evidence and/or the prosecution could have been tainted. Defense attorneys have cracked open an expensive bottle of champaign in that district though, that much you can bet on.

Actually, you are wrong. But hey, what do I know, I am an idiot.

This event actually happened many months ago and was widely publicized at the time it happened. Tell me Einstein, how many verdicts have been set aside? How many of his cases have been retried? How many motions have been filed for new trials?

Hmmmmm?

They are sick mofos. I don't care how hard you bait me, I would never have any interest in pursuing an under age girl. There is no excuse for it.

Yeah, right. I'm sure they don't check the ratings and adjust their programming accordingly.

why are some of you fucking morons saying again and again that they are "taking the law into their own hands", "its entrapment" etc - when they are SOOOOOOOO OBVIOUSLY working directly WITH law enforcement being that they have the house surrounded and arrest the suspect upon arrival and its so fucking obvious that they have a bazillion lawers approving everything?

i swear to christ, gfy has to be the biggest gathering of morons on the interweb

I said it is arguably against the US Constitution, not that it 'is' against the US Constitution. It is debatable, but what they do is obviously legal as of now.

Also, it is the decoy who brings up sex in most cases, even according to Stone Philips.

It isn't entrapment, but it is very close. And btw, I do know the law.

HELLO..anything considered news and editorial content does not require a release form..its like taking a picture of someone in public, or even a celebrity sun bathing in the nude.. the picture is news worthy and therfore not required to have a model release.

A couple things,


When you look at the people they bust on these shows, and on perverted-justice.com, *they* are usually amazed at what people they find. It's a real cross-section of society that are getting caught.

I'm not going to argue that it's right or wrong to catch these people the way they are catching them, however, I want you people to think about a few things.

1. Over the history of evolution and in the history of man, have we tended to take young women as brides/sex slaves/prisoners? absolutely. It was much more common throughout our history than you would normally realize. Remember that people lived shorter lives, and wealthy 30-40 year olds who wanted children would often take very young "brides" to ensure they could produce children. If you believe in evolution and not creationism, you may be able to realize why some male minds cannot resist their urges of under-18 women.

2. Homosexuality used to be such a taboo, that homosexuals were driven out of a community under threat of death. The way people talked about those people were much the same as people talking about these people on these shows in this thread. If society becomes more and more liberal, perhaps people will also become liberal enough to say that a 25 year old college student showing up to meet a 14 year old who was hitting on him isn't such a bad thing? Much like being gay now, people may look at it as "It's not for me, but I don't mind if someone else has a different sexuality"

3. Obviously there is a massive niche for this out there. MANY MANY websites give us the idea that young girls want to fuck. Need I name any of the big, big sites that make 18 year olds look as young as possible? Not to mention giving them pigtails, white granny panties, and everything needed for people to get off on a "high school" fantasy. Not to mention babysitters, and when was the last time you hired a babysitter that was 18 or older?


Certainly the adult industry fuels and inspires these guys, it's foolish to completely deny this. I'm sure evolution plays a part as well. Over the history of mankind, only recently have we developed views in the west regarding age and sex. In many places on earth right now, people will take brides of almost any age. There is even a religion out there, who's founder had apparently taken a wife at *9* years old.

It's a complicated subject, but I really find that these people are wasting their time catching these guys as I hardly think any of these men are "predators". These are not the type of guys that would kidnap a 6 year old. These men are looking for post-pubescent girls. It would be MUCH better to just embarress them for going after girls who are obviously not raised well by their parents. For a 13 year old to go into a "Daughter and daddy" chatroom, they obviously MUST have issues. Probably where future porn chicks get their starts!

Last thing,


Several years ago my cousin Adrian was in town. She's a really attractive girl who matured very young. I took her to the mall and I noticed a TON of guys check her out, which made me slightly uncomfortable given her age. She bet me that she looked old enough to go into the nearest cold beer and wine store and could buy me a 6-pack, as she does at home for her mom. ( She doesn't drink, well, not then )

I thought she had a 50/50 chance of being id'd, as passing for 19... ehh.... maybe.

We went down the street from the mall and she picked up a 6 pack of Moosehead beer for me, without getting id'd. She was *14* years old!!!!


Now, if men are sexually attracted to her, and if they don't know her age, did that make them pedos? I wouldn't post her picture up on here, but she looked a bit like Avril Lavene(sp), but with a bigger chest and not as skinny.

Her mom had a handful of problems with her over the next year, and even caught the plumber leaving her daughter his phone number. Albeit Adrian is a bitch sometimes and told the guy she was 18.

all of that has nothing to do with the discussions or issues. what "used to be acceptable" has nothing to do with today (this assumes of course, that you have freed your negro slaves and stopped sacrificing virgins to the volcano gods... if not, you might want to brush up on current legislation that might require you to make some adjustments in your lifestyle)

all people concerned know the boundaries of appropriate and innapropriate behavior as commonly accepted in the year 2007. further, there is law. all parties concerned know what the law is. all parties are fully aware that they are breaking the law. all parties know they are breaking the law with significant risk of being caught/arrested - further, most are not surprised at all that they are being arrested. all parties know that it is completely unnacceptable to troll chat rooms, looking for 13 year old girls who say "my parents are away from teh weekend" which is promptly followed up with "i'll come right over with booze and condoms so i can burry my cock in your hairless snatch" - then actually show up and through the entire process demonstrate intent to break the law on many levels.

I dont think the adult industry inspires anyone to do anything other than masturbation or experimenting with their partner.

I believe a few years back there was a study that showed that "sex crimes" were down in relation to the birth of the adult internet industry.

Now who knows how skewed it was, I just remember reading that the people who did the study expected the opposite to be true.

1. The desire to do this is born out of evolution, and these men cannot be faulted for it. It's not like they are lusting after 8 year olds, but rather, ( As far as I know ) they are lusting after post-pubescent girls. Homosexuality used to be a HUGE stigma, in fact, much worse than older men trolling for young girls. Although if you go back far enough, Anceint greek warriors used to masturbate each other, and the leaders of the military at the time encouraged it. ( Although some debate that )

2. Any 13 year old that is trolling the internext for sex with someone has obviously got some issues, but if they are trolling for sex, chances are they are post-pubescent, lonely without boys of their own age group, and probably don't have good relationships with their parents.

3. What used to be acceptable has everything to do with today. Are you going to change thousands upon thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of years of evolution? We are programmed "If it has hair down there, it's mature to breed". I'm not saying it's NOT sleazy to be some older guy going after young, naive girls, what I am saying though is that the law targets something that is programmed into people. Nobody faults Dave Cummings for what he does, but if I had a neighbor as old as him eyeing up my girlfriends I would probably have some choice words for him. Yes, what he does is completely legal, but it's very similar on the scale of what is going on. It's older people chasing after far younger, post-pubescent tail.

You used the example of "sex crimes", I hardly think that proves whether or not babysitter sites fuels the lust of old men chasing younger women.

I'm positive it doesn't give the message to old men that it's wrong to lust after old girls. After watching some internet porn of grey haired old men pounding 18 year olds, what do you think goes through the minds of horny, lonely 60-somethings?

I'm not saying those sites are bad or wrong, it just preys of the primal urges of men to have sex with what they see as the most fertile age possible.

i can say that a tendency to murder is "born out of evolution" or any other behavior that is commonly deemed immoral, wrong or illegal... that doesn't relieve the individual of responsibility for their actions, particularly when they have demonstrated knowledge of the fact that it is both wrong, unnacceptable and illegal in the year 2007.

i wonder if jerry lee lewis would of been lured into this, ha.

Completely other issue man.


Food, sleep, sex. These things appeal to us on the most basic and fundamental levels. If a grown man lusts after a post-pubescent girl, it cannot be compared to the unnatural desire to murder someone.

Half the cops in the video, and half of the people in this thread would say "I'd hit it" if I posted a pic up of my cousin from a few years ago. I would not think any of them were pedos as she looks like a fully matured woman at her age at the time.


The BEST part is how they have these guys arrested at gunpoint. LOL!

since you are defining behaviors for your own needs as you go, its pointless to continue. i think any reasonable person can understand that society deems this behavior unacceptable, the law has deemed it illegal and its very clear that those individuals choosing to engage in this behavior, understand that (hence, the arrest and subsequent convictions).

your arguments are weak. just having an "urge" no matter what its origin, does not absolve the individual of the need to control it and conduct himself within the boundaries of acceptable behavior and the law.

anyone can use your simple and weak reasoning to justify and rationalize anything...thats why we have laws, written in ink, devised to establish boundaries to behavior and protect the rights of others.

its shameful that you would go so far to defend a rabbi who goes to meet an underage boy for sex.

if it was your 12 yr old girl being enticed by a 57 year old taxi dispatcher and trying to meet her for sex... i submit that your attitude on the issue and whats acceptable would be quite different.

Yes he killed himself months ago. They just aired the episode, it takes time to air them from the time they are shot.