then post your id here if you have nothing to hide ..:winkwink:

Well I am talking about companies that 1099 and make you fill out a W9 not the ones that don't. So if the company is US based and deducting what they are paying and sending out 1099s you then you are required to obtain ids.

Gary

See 1099's don't deduct anything.. They are only to report individuals and LLC's incomes to the IRS. They aren't required for International people or Incorporated Business. Even though some people still ask for them, as a backup.

W9's don't require ID's.. The employee wage forms, w2 do.

You might be correct on that one. Been a while since I filled one out.

Gary

Wow, this thread got big fast....

They've said articles of incorporation are acceptable.

And yes, I was referring to when I was an actual employee when I had to show ID.

This has gotten to be silly.

Yes you're right about everything, you're really smart, I'm just a dumb idiot living in my moms basement who has no experience and no idea how to do anything.

If you want to make money with quickbuck, show us an id or articles of incorporation, it's that simple.

Bouncers let kids into bars with fake id's in sometimes, but if they didn't even CHECK the Id's they would let a lot more in.

If anybody has any legitimate questions or questions with a purpose I'm happy to anwer them.

This is gay! I didnt realize that all you guys owned my company and made the rules for it. Well then please start making our payouts for us and paying all the fucking scammers for us to. This is our company and this is what we decided to do. Now for those of you who didnt get it before


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Now again please if you get your info in before the end of the monthand email me between the 1st and the 5th with your nembers we will pay you a shit load more.

I have nothing more to say here

OH P.S Let me add some more fuel to the fire. I allow lots of people to not send in there Info if they are someone I know has been doing buisness with us and I know and trust. Its not that fucking hard. Its just our rules.

Thank you drive through.

The only thing required is a tax-ID or SSN.
And that is only needed to file IRS Form 1099.
If the "employer" is not going to file a 1099 then they don't even need that.

If the sponsor is not paying matching Social Security Tax for you and unemployment insurance for you then they are not your "Employer", because if they were your "employer" then they would be breaking the law by not paying those taxes.

Affiliates are 1099 contractors.

Quick Buck is one of the best sponsors out there.

Of course they have the right to protect themselves against fraud.

Another sig view for the road... Outside of all this bs.. QB is a great company, that has been in business for many years, it's safe to assume they will protect our ID's and documents like they would Model ID's. I'm sure just by asking this they block out a huge amount of fraud webmasters, and the legit ones can always email and work with them I'm sure..

i dont think their so silly nor out of context. please remeber im not against you im all WITH you , you keep skipping the good points and suggestions and getting offended.
lol nobody is trying to say that , i can admit when im wrong i can also admit when 2 people have different opinions.. fact is though im not wrong because i havent made any statements that could possibly be construed that way . Im posting suggestions and constructive critique.

Im a pretty fair guy , if you read from top to bottom my comments i really think you will see i have been more than fair.



Please take the time to reread this thread and the NUMEROUS times i have mentioned i think this is a GREAT idea thats been poorly instituted.


agreed

Nobody is obliging you of that, i am letting people know that giving your id/passport ss number to ANYONE that isnt a government official is a BAD BAD idea , and why its bad. and why there can be acceptions but you need to know whats being done with your id , ( i.e where its stored , who has access etc etc )
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Its not hard to answer a few simple questions like " how looking at an id and then throwing it away would protect against fraud even in the most vague way "

I find it strange you would find it humerous that anyone wants to trust you , yet that trust doesnt work both ways


Im here for business If you want a friend buy a dog if you want to learn , buy a book , if you want me as an affiliate tell me what your doing with my id , its that simple.. if you dont thats fine too.


And if the bouncer couldnt even see the person how usefull would an id check be. ? zero , it could be anyone's id.


same question i started with seems quite legit. How is looking at an id then throwing it away helping prevent fraud even in the vaguest way.

Why not just have people sign a waiver that says you will prosecute them for not following the rules. Lots of sponsors have something like that but I have not ever had 1 single sponsor ask to see my ID ever. It just looks like you are going to lose %10 or more of your webmasters if you continue to stick with this plan

Why is it safe to assume they will protect that information when high-security institutions such as banks have been known to fail?

Why should this particular method discourage fraud any more than less intrusive methods which do not invite any such risk?

This thread has gone on for four pages and all they keep saying is these are our rules, if you don't like them, tough. But assume just for a moment that those asking questions and/or suggesting alternatives are not trying to create drama or swing at QB. Isn't it possible there are better ways - for all concerned - than the one they have chosen? And even if they don't agree, would an explanation take any longer or be less productive than the way in which they have responded?

I couldn't really care less what QB do, except insofar as the sheep instinct in this business is such that what they have put in place might be copied and/or extended. Before too long our ID's will be sitting in offices and homes all over the world. Is that a future any of us really want to consider?

Wow I have gotten like 13 New affiliates today to push the new $75 per trial promo. And ALL have sent in there info. Seems ok to them. For those of you who will stop doing buisness with us because of this I am sorry. But this is what we feel will help weed out the bad Apples. Also like i have been saying this hole time feel free to hit me up OFF THE board if you have a huge issue with it. I can always figure something out. Like letting you pick up your checks in person. LOL or maybe I will hand deliver em.

dam $75 a join good stuff :thumbsup

Quick question, can you lift the restriction on my account without having me send my info? been an affiliate for years.
quick buck username: eddiecon

very strange...

it's not because of the country you live in, I'm in USA and had the same thing happen to me

Glad I know wiseman and got it lifted

:uhoh :uhoh :uhoh

We've told you 5 times what we are doing with your id. We are verifying that the account information and your id or passport or articles of incorporation matches the information you have on your account. We are saving the *pertinent information* like your name and address on your id in case you change your payto information later.

Is it really so hard to understand? If you want a check written to ali baba of istanbul but your id says your name is sarah from encenito california it's kind of a big flag. Yes, we get those kinds of affiliates all the time! They sign up from places like the US but want their money wired to a bank in china.

Sure you could go get a fake id in order to steal a few hundred dollars alibaba, but my guess is you'd rather go somewhere that wont make you get a fake id.

If you think it's stupid and won't stop any fraud then thats *ok*, do it anyways, call me a dummy under your breath and then cash the checks that we send you.

If I said that for fraud purposes we wanted you to name the capital of France would you do it or would you make 400 posts asking why we insist on asking ridiculous questions and pointing out what an ineffective fraud mechanism this is?

The very act of submitting the information eliminates MOST of the people who would come defraud a program for 80 bucks or 300 bucks.

We *UNDERSTAND* that it is not fool proof and that perhaps some affiliates will leave, you just dont seem to understand that I would rather have 7000 affiliates who are willing to make a modest show of working with us to keep the program filled only with honest webmasters than 7350 who haven't.

The only two reasons to care about this is:
1) You're trying to rip us off. If this is the case, then we're glad you care and you should go join another program.

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2) You're scared about sharing an ID with somebody. That I can understand and that is why we are willing to work with people, if the ID is a big issue to you send articles of incorporation, or black out the id number, if that isnt possible then hit us up and we can work something out.

The thing is man... scam artists are for the most part lazy, thats why they find it easier to rip off affiliate programs than to put the effort into building traffic.

I'm honestly suprised that this has made it 4 pages... it is so incredibly meaningless to anybody who isn't an affiliate at quickbuck.

The only part I find extremely offensive from Quickbuck is if someone questioned your policy you went on the attack and judged those people to have something to hide. Your policy is fine, should have come sooner but fine nonetheless, making innuendos about people who question your policies thats a whole other ballgame and frankly thats pretty shitty on your part to attack them that way. Then again I suppose you just think all of us here are useless and dont want our traffic unless we send you a Kwanza card so I understand your logic now. :)

See you just instantly pre-judged hundreds of your smaller affiliates who question the policy and asked for clarification and explanation. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Im glad it has made 4 pages. have I mentioned


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ok its simple we arent pre judging we arent doing anything other then running our company. if you feel you can run it better PLEASE email your resimae to me [email protected]

what about ID with info blocked except for name + address?

Good god, what other reason could there be?

Share with me.

not really its good business. Also the subject being adult it should be mandatory to make sure everyone is of age. Sometime google doesnt have to worry about.

No. We must know if you're an organ donor, that you wear contact lenses and that you are not really 5'11".

Yes that is fine as long as everything is legible, this isnt 2257, this is just an affiliate program trying to make sure the people who are getting paid are who they claim they are.

My sig for sale in this thread, please send me a copy of your drivers license so I can verify that you are the program owner or representative. Thanks.

sounds good, just sent mine in to kris @ quickbuck

Spluym I will buy your sig hit me up with where to send $100

It interesting how everyone thinks their id is a target to be stolen. If you ever had a day job your id is sitting in some file cabinet anyone can get to. If you dont trust a company you shouldnt do business with them. I think this is going to be the growing pains for the net,days of hiding are soon going to be gone, people are going to have to do business like in the bricks and mortar world.

WOW looks like lots of people taking advantage of $75 days!!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

As a program owner i can see why Quickbuck are doing this.

ePassporte especially is a great payment method for affiliates but also a great scamming tool for carders and fraud. Us program owners who use 3rd party/custom affiliate software will always be a target for scammers and fraudsters where anyone can sign up with possible false information and get paid just a couple of weeks later - only for all those joins made to be charged back at a later date.

Those mentioning Google etc not asking for ID... you cannot really compare Google to an 'adult' affiliate program. Us owners using our own merchant accounts or 3rd party billers need to keep our chargeback levels low - something in the region of 1%-2%. Mainstream billers restrictions are much higher than this (and have lower proccessing fees) so any signs of fraud hit us much harder than mainstream business.

I don't see any problem with a program asking an affililate for some form of ID to verify who they are if its in the interest of that program protecting there business, merchant account and of course, other hard working affiliates. At the end of the day, any extra paperwork for us to deal with is extra work which of course we'd rather not have :)

From a affiliates point of view, yes it would piss me off a little to send in ID but if you've nothing to hide...
If you were a program owner and see exactly how things work when you don't just deal with CCBill/ Paycom etc and turnover a large amount of cash each month, it opens a whole new world about business :2 cents:

A poor analogy since even the most feckless employee will have only a few employers. There are perfectly good reasons why affiliates might work with dozens or hundreds of sponsors and no reason whatever to assume that sponsors are as a whole any more honest or professional than are affiliates.

Anyway how exactly do you trust companies which cloak themselves and their principles in anonymity? Since there wouldn't be many left to work with if we required more, we work with people who haven't given us a positive reason to mistrust them. But it is laughable how many talk about trust in this business, simply because they haven't yet been screwed by someone.

If you wanted, you could talk about at least the appearance of mutual respect as being a pre-requisite to working with a sponsor. But I'm not sure how that equates to someone who appears to think that a couple of snide remarks and a few rows of overlarge type are a professional response to the politely phrased comments and suggestions in this thread.

And may I add since I been reading this for so long our program is www.quickbuck.com BUCK with a K not quickbucks with an S

Jayeff,

Wiseman is laughing about this thread, thats why he is posting what he is posting.

QuickBuck is not cloaked in any secrecy, you can contact us in many ways, we are very active in the community, we have plenty of references and our checks contain every bit of contact information necessary.

I've been preaching only promoting 5-10 sponsors *max* for a long time, you' ll never be a whale if you promote 150 programs, and you have 150 people's payments to keep up with..

You know why you can trust us? Because our checks show up on time and the clear.

You know how I know you're gay? Because you said "feckless"!


(and you listen to coldplay)

More professionalism in action.

I think you are in the wrong business to being using gay as a derogatory term. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

On a board called "Go Fuck Yourself" (where recent popular threads have been focused on britney spears, anna nicole, whether women fart on a man' cock during anal sex, and a hotbed of short icq sales) a guy named "Splum" insulted a guy named "QuickBuck" for commenting on a guy named "Wiseman's" actions in response to a recent outcry of affiliates in response to a request to not wire money anonymously to people named "Bob Smith" in Russia.

Somehow the word professionalism seems a bit out of place in this picture. :)

Where is Teh Boy Alley when we need him?

He wasn't using it in a derogatory notion. He was quoting a movie and trying to lighten the situation.

40 Year Old Virgin.

Huh what the fuck are you talking about, no one insulted you. YOU are the one doing the insulting.

I was kidding again Splum, you need to lighten up man.

My point was that on a board called "gofuckyourself" it's *FUNNY* (like actually funny, like it's funny to laugh about) that anybody's professionalism is being questioned.... imagine yourself telling a friend (who knows nothing about the biz) about the names of the people involved and the place that the conversation is happening and the subject of a conversation...

You take me way too seriously man, about half of what comes out of my mouth on the boards is a joke.

You owe me for all this free advertising :2 cents:

I said I would pay you $100 for your sif for all of march

I skimmed the first page and part of this one. But if a company wants me to fill out a W9 I have no problem with that. The only time my personal information goes with anything related to the company is the occassional time I do something in mainstream that requires a company credit check. Which is fairly common if you are doing traffic buys on some networks, and trying to determine if the deal will be prepaid or netX.

I think the only time I've sent that personal info into an "adult" company was for a merchant account, ccbill, or to get my epassporte account bumped up.