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And do you want to know what 95% of all of our sales do have in common?

They come from people we *know personally*. We know their wives, we know where they live and work, we send eachother kwanza cards and vacation together.

Most mid to large sized programs could close their programs entirely to people they don't know personally and see only a small decline in sales.

verifying a persons address ( http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=117 ) wouldn't that provide more security than asking for IDs?

yes u-Bob, that is a good idea and one I had not considered. I'll look into doing that although I would think that from an administrative standpoint that could be difficult, only because of things like "I didn't get my mail with the code printed on it!"... but that is a very creative solution.

That's a common myth. A W8 form is not required by law. You can use a substitute form (This can even be a simple webbased "I confirm that I am not a US citizen and that... etc"-button (like Google does)).

Haha, that's funny.:1orglaugh

I had my identity stolen years ago and it's still messing with me. It's easy enough to happen but the damage takes years to recover from.

An even better idea would be to simply incorporate a privacy statement/agreement in their terms of service so that if anything comes up that they need id confirmation on, they have let people know up front, and there's accountability for what they do with the person's id, so people would be more comfortable sending it. That would also square them up on many laws in many countries with regards to identification.

It's a deterrent, not a end all fraud solution. It's one extra step a fraudster has to go through.

Blah its not worth commenting on this stupid thread anymore. Quickbucks runs business like the Bush administration. Please dont reply to my rant.

Welcome to 2004.

Personally I think you're going to more and more of this from the older established programs. In addition, you can also plan on them "firing" the bottom feeders. It's just not cost efficient to hire people to take care of webmasters making you a total of $10K a year.

and you have yet to explain how seeing an id would change that in any way.
I never said it didnt work .

umm ok, you have your way i have mine i can live with that..

yet you havent shown 1 single way this has worked..

Just because someone doesnt have a passport or drivers license doesnt mean you "stopped fraud" it just means someone hasnt sent in their id yet, guilty until proven innocent ?

"make up theories " ? like that the top 10 sponsor on the net dont require this ? its not a theory its called a fact if you have trouble with facts .
So if you think the war is wrong you should start your own war ? that makes no sense.. yes you have made it quite clear that you can do what you want its your own program , we all realise this, we also realise that anyone can give their opinion. When i have wiz bang fraud detection in my affiliate program your welcome to tell me if its useless and cumbersome.

nope i just counted the responses for and against.

wrong they send me money

but no passport or id, reason being it means they have to protect these id's under the law
huh ? they are an affiliate proram that pays without passport or id..
first send me your passport and id please

wrong , been paid by both no i.d.
ok every sponsor on gfy but you. ( and perhaps ars )

so now name me 30 who do require i.d.

you are not a processor.. we are talking about sponsors.

Looking at an i.d. then tossing it doesnt help you know your affiliates.
A) i never said that

B) i gave plenty of constructive critique maybe you missed it , read up..

You said you toss the id after looking at it , so how are you going to do that ?



i never heard one person give you a blueprint.. i heard some affilites voice concern over a measure i have shown to be both dangerous and useless, you choose to ignore your affiliates and anyone who tries to help.

I dont know why you feel offended or the need to call your affiliates and others "attackers" because they are concerned with your measures.

I have only read one deragotory remark in this thread towards quickbuck, everyone else is just concerned .. ( and they should be )

But what this boils down to is its your program you can do what you want , this is gfy we can comment on what we want.. i hold no negativity towards your decision. There isn't a sponsor around that does everything perfect. I just wish you would lighten up and try to appease your affiliates and potentials instead of calling them "attackers" and avoiding any diologue on the topic.. the foremost being . "you cant verify i.d. therefore what good does it do "

better tell them to stop buying advertising on gfy then.

lets be realistic here. do you really think a fraudster cant photochop an id ?

Do you think there are more fraudsters that dont know how to photochop an id than legit webmasters that just dont have a passport drivers license ? so who would lose out.. ?

Amen, I think also if all programs wanted this stuff. A there would be less bullshit and b a more serious affiliate. If you want to do commission sales for a bricks and mortar company they would have all that info.Also this their going to steal my id bullshit, considering most have credit score around 500, its not worth much. lol Also for age verification dont want 16 yr olds promoting porn.

Do they require this on every webmaster? Not everyone has a DL or Passport, you don't need either to own a company and have a tax id. I really don't understand how a DL or Passport can stop fraud.

I live in Arizona, my address is to the other address in AZ, my company and payment details would be out of Las Vegas, and my phone numbers don't match either. The only way to know I am legit is my Tax ID and/or SSN. Both of which can be ran through the SS Offices to make sure they are valid and match the the name on record. Or maybe I should give you my Canadian DL?

1) I don't cash checks - I'm not 16 or broke.
2) While they use my ID to make sure it's me, bars, stores, ect do not copy and keep the ID, they look
at the picture and the birth date and hand it back. With buying beer, I don't hand them ID, I show it to them.
3) You do not have to have an ID to rent an apartment.
4) You do not have to show your ID to rent a video, only to get the card, or go online and no ID is needed.
5) You do not have to have a ID to get a job, you only need a SSN.
6) My sons do not have ID's and get on planes......
7) You ask for ID's on cock suckers to make sure she is 18 or over and because of laws, you don't do any fraud checks to make sure this bitch wont kill you though.

I see zero problem with it. I like to know who I am doing biz with, especially if they are "new" webmasters overseas.

i guess google has it all wrong having the largest amount of "bottom feeders"

Personally i think there will be even more diversity in the affiliate game , less whales , more smaller affiliates. Personally i would rather have 1 million "bottom feeders" making $200 a month than 2 whales making a million a year

Interesting. Now, I admit I haven't worked for anyone since the early 90's, but IIRC, back in the 80's there was a law passed where you had to show at least one form of ID to an employer and they had to fill out a form saying you showed it.

And I've had to show my ID get on a plane. From what I know, only if you're under 16 do you not have to do that, and we aren't talking about under 16 year olds here.

I also had to show ID for my son when he was under 16 and we were going out of the country.

i have zero problem with it also.. other than it wont help in any way..

You cant legaly verify the id is correct therefore what use does it serve other than a false sense of security and none of your legit webmaster who made you money that dont have a dl or passport dont get paid..

google doesnt..

they actually just changed the laws on that a bit , but your correct

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...-borders_x.htm

call quickbuck about it.

I know several people who own non-adult businesses who "fire" the bottom 20% of their customers each and every year. It's not uncommon. Google is like Dell - they have enough cheap labor to be able to use them to deal with the bottom feeders.

Not for nuthin' but Hooper seems to have done pretty well running an adult affiliate program. And as I stated previously, they're one of the handful of people I'd trust with my info. My dog sitter has more access to my person info and in reference to low paid employees, has more reason to steal my identity :)

Oh dear. Repeating something which is plain wrong, only makes it right in online adult. Here is the reality.

When I started in this business there was a crop of well-known names. The vast majority of those names are now just distant memories. In a few more years, most of today's names will similarly have faded away. That's business, any business.

A sponsor need not depend on affiliates at all. And if he does, so long as his program is the envy of the industry and people are queuing to join, he can leave it to others to work with newcomers. But most sponsors are at best ordinary, so if they want whales tomorrow they have to work with the minnows today.

The single most common mistake sponsors make is in making so little effort to actually develop affiliates. They hire reps who know little or nothing about the business and who can thus only answer standard questions with standard answers. The theory is that by signing up enough affiliates, among that number will be some decent traffic generators. But how terrible would it be to make sure of that and at the same time improve the odds that when some of these small-fry do find their feet, they are still supporting your program?

Of course there is no way to get an immediate return on all levels of affiliate development. But it would make a lot more sense, instead of paying someone to be a speaking FAQ's page, to hire people to work in a way which would generate earlier and more certain returns.

I totally agree with you here.. Of all the programs i would trust quickbuck near the top , merely from word of mouth. BUT this particular method seems cumbersome and useless and nobody has yet to explain how it would prevent fraud in ANY way..

Well in the US if you fill out a W9 for an employer that 1099s you, the W9 requires the company to obtain a copy of two forms id for that person and to have it on file with the W9. So basically legally if a sponsor or company makes you file out a W9 you must provide them two forms of id. I see more and more sponsors doing this especially if they are US based.

Gary

You are correct also you have to show id to get a blockbuster card.To me if you have nothing to hide presenting id shouldnt be a problem.

and if they dont file a 1099 .. then.. wouldnt it make sense they dont ask for id, as they arent required nor would it be of any use ?

Like the largest affiliate program around google ?

So I suppose you are not opposed to a national ID card etc. That kind of thinking is quite "republican" isnt it tony?

google must be the largest illegal sponsor on the net then

I don't think w9's need copies of ID's.. You could be paying an LLC.
I think thats w2 employee wage forms which needs some form of ID, like a SSN and a local bill that as your name and address on it.

then post your id here if you have nothing to hide ..:winkwink:

Well I am talking about companies that 1099 and make you fill out a W9 not the ones that don't. So if the company is US based and deducting what they are paying and sending out 1099s you then you are required to obtain ids.

Gary

See 1099's don't deduct anything.. They are only to report individuals and LLC's incomes to the IRS. They aren't required for International people or Incorporated Business. Even though some people still ask for them, as a backup.

W9's don't require ID's.. The employee wage forms, w2 do.

You might be correct on that one. Been a while since I filled one out.

Gary

Wow, this thread got big fast....

They've said articles of incorporation are acceptable.

And yes, I was referring to when I was an actual employee when I had to show ID.

This has gotten to be silly.

Yes you're right about everything, you're really smart, I'm just a dumb idiot living in my moms basement who has no experience and no idea how to do anything.

If you want to make money with quickbuck, show us an id or articles of incorporation, it's that simple.

Bouncers let kids into bars with fake id's in sometimes, but if they didn't even CHECK the Id's they would let a lot more in.

If anybody has any legitimate questions or questions with a purpose I'm happy to anwer them.

This is gay! I didnt realize that all you guys owned my company and made the rules for it. Well then please start making our payouts for us and paying all the fucking scammers for us to. This is our company and this is what we decided to do. Now for those of you who didnt get it before


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Now again please if you get your info in before the end of the monthand email me between the 1st and the 5th with your nembers we will pay you a shit load more.

I have nothing more to say here

OH P.S Let me add some more fuel to the fire. I allow lots of people to not send in there Info if they are someone I know has been doing buisness with us and I know and trust. Its not that fucking hard. Its just our rules.

Thank you drive through.

The only thing required is a tax-ID or SSN.
And that is only needed to file IRS Form 1099.
If the "employer" is not going to file a 1099 then they don't even need that.

If the sponsor is not paying matching Social Security Tax for you and unemployment insurance for you then they are not your "Employer", because if they were your "employer" then they would be breaking the law by not paying those taxes.

Affiliates are 1099 contractors.