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GT-Omar 02-25-2007 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 11970189)
How do they know his DNA? :1orglaugh
I wonder if they plan to match it to one of the "spear of destiny" there are so many that cliam to be the one that killed jeusus while he was on the cross? Imagine if one of them matches?

inthecrack 02-25-2007 05:18 PM
Now if they could just prove Christianity, Islam, and every other religion to be a farse then every war would be over with and we'd all live in peace.

Splum 02-25-2007 05:18 PM
Lol some of you guys, they didnt MATCH his DNA to anything they did DNA tests to see if the bones were related to each other, the "Jesus" bones and the "Mary Magdalene" bones didnt match therefore they suggest they two were husband and wife being buried in the same tomb.

wizhard 02-25-2007 05:29 PM
"Jesus" ?

Linkster 02-25-2007 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by inthecrack (Post 11972907)
Now if they could just prove Christianity, Islam, and every other religion to be a farse then every war would be over with and we'd all live in peace.

Unfortunately that will never happen - weak people since the beginning of time have had to create some more powerful "thing" to believe in to explain things they dont understand - the bigger religions were just better at enslaving humans to ideas and have flourished ever since - as long as you have sheep there will be some sort of religion - stupid people have an insatiable need to be told what to do with their lives :1orglaugh

Splum 02-25-2007 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Linkster (Post 11972965)
Unfortunately that will never happen - weak people since the beginning of time have had to create some more powerful "thing" to believe in to explain things they dont understand - the bigger religions were just better at enslaving humans to ideas and have flourished ever since - as long as you have sheep there will be some sort of religion - stupid people have an insatiable need to be told what to do with their lives :1orglaugh
"Weak people"? Its "weak" to have faith in something? So if you have faith in yourself you are "weak"? Sure the "weak" minded can be influenced but surely you are not arguing that every single person who believes in some form of "faith" weak minded?

Splum 02-25-2007 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by inthecrack (Post 11972907)
Now if they could just prove Christianity, Islam, and every other religion to be a farse then every war would be over with and we'd all live in peace.
Cavemen didnt kill other cavemen?

tony286 02-25-2007 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 11971808)
facts:

Paul and the writers of all four canonical Gospels described the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, as they understood it had happened. There is a acknowledged consensus among academic Christian theologians that:

* The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not written by Jesus' disciples but by a person or persons whose names are unknown.

* Neither Paul nor any of the Gospel writers had been an eyewitness to Jesus' ministry or death.

* The Gospels record the beliefs and memories of various Christian groups as they had evolved at the time they were written.

____________

There is no reference to Jesus' death having any redeeming function; in fact, there is no mention of the crucifixion at all. John E. Remsburg's The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence, lists the following writers who lived during the time, or within a century after the time, that Jesus is supposed to have lived:

* Josephus
* Philo-Judææus
* Seneca
* Pliny Elder
* Arrian
* Petronius
* Dion Pruseus
* Paterculus
* Suetonius
* Juvenal
* Martial
* Persius
* Plutarch
* Pliny Younger



* Tacitus
* Justus of Tiberius
* Apollonius
* Quintilian
* Lucanus
* Epictetus
* Hermogones Silius Italicus
* Statius
* Ptolemy
* Appian
* Phlegon
* Phæædrus
* Valerius Maximus
* Lucian



* Pausanias
* Florus Lucius
* Quintius Curtius
* Aulus Gellius
* Dio Chrysostom
* Columella
* Valerius Flaccus
* Damis
* Favorinus
* Lysias
* Pomponius Mela
* Appion of Alexandria
* Theon of Smyrna

Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, according to Remsburg, "aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ." Nor, do any of these authors make note of the Disciples or Apostles -- :thumbsup
Yep and in the first version of the bible Mary wasn't a virgin that was changed later.

chupacabra 02-25-2007 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11972980)
"Weak people"? Its "weak" to have faith in something? So if you have faith in yourself you are "weak"? Sure the "weak" minded can be influenced but surely you are not arguing that every single person who believes in some form of "faith" weak minded?
yes, its "weak" to have faith... deal w/ it. religion is a crutch for primitive hominids to deal w/ their surrounding, environment and sentience that should have been discarded long ago... it causes nothing but bigotry, hatred and shame in the modern world.

while i have my doubts that this supposed find can be proven definitively one way or the other, it would be such a boon to mankind to have the entire sham of the resurrection exposed as the fairy tale it, and most all religious mythos are..

:2 cents:

Fap 02-25-2007 07:10 PM
This is stupid.

Porn Farmer 02-25-2007 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11972980)
"Weak people"? Its "weak" to have faith in something? So if you have faith in yourself you are "weak"? Sure the "weak" minded can be influenced but surely you are not arguing that every single person who believes in some form of "faith" weak minded?
Having faith in yourself is one thing, having faith in 2000 year old fairy stories is another.

Dirty Dane 02-25-2007 07:15 PM
There have been some statues of Maria, crying blood. Maybe they will compare DNA to that.

Linkster 02-25-2007 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11972980)
"Weak people"? Its "weak" to have faith in something? So if you have faith in yourself you are "weak"? Sure the "weak" minded can be influenced but surely you are not arguing that every single person who believes in some form of "faith" weak minded?
I thought I spelled out my ideas clearly enough to speak to this - but yes - if you have "faith" in yourself that is what is important - if you have to lay your faith outside yourself then obviously you are so weak you have to be told what to think instead of doing it from within yourself

Yes I am arguing (actually just stating - I dont see any argument in it) that anyone that has to believe in a faith outside of themselves, is by definition weak minded

uno 02-25-2007 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11972722)
I can feel your hatred.... atheists.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/im...rs-Posters.jpg
Leave Dick Cheney out of this.

StickyGreen 02-25-2007 07:36 PM
Goddamn there are some stupid motherfuckers on this board...

bigalownz 02-25-2007 08:36 PM
end of the world

uno 02-25-2007 08:52 PM
And I feel fine.

Penthouse Tony 02-25-2007 09:26 PM
i don't see how any dna could have been preserved for so long

Masterchief 02-25-2007 09:34 PM
100.....

GT-Omar 02-25-2007 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF (Post 11973628)
i don't see how any dna could have been preserved for so long
The only way I would guess would be collecting all those "spears of destiny's" that are out there. Which supposed to have pierced the side of Christ? Maybe that's the only way ?:2 cents:

Penthouse Tony 02-25-2007 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Revshare-Omar (Post 11973666)
The only way I would guess would be collecting all those "spears of destiny's" that are out there. Which supposed to have pierced the side of Christ? Maybe that's the only way ?:2 cents:
2000+ years later? Unless it was frozen inside of glacier.

Splum 02-25-2007 09:49 PM
Haha ok look people there is NO DNA OF JESUS the DNA they took was from the "bones" so they could compare with the other bones to see if the bones were blood related. LOL!

Penthouse Tony 02-25-2007 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11973695)
Haha ok look people there is NO DNA OF JESUS the DNA they took was from the "bones" so they could compare with the other bones to see if the bones were blood related. LOL!
That's what I'm not understanding. I thought DNA wouldn't survive in bones that old.

Splum 02-25-2007 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF (Post 11973701)
That's what I'm not understanding. I thought DNA wouldn't survive in bones that old.
Ahh sorry I thought you meant how can they compare with a "Jesus" DNA sample. I am almost 100% positive you can get nuclear DNA from bones only 2000 years old, I think you run into problems when you go beyond the 10000 year mark.
A quick Google search and here is a story about DNA from 30000 year old bones:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/15/news/gene.php

Penthouse Tony 02-25-2007 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 11973718)
Ahh sorry I thought you meant how can they compare with a "Jesus" DNA sample. I am almost 100% positive you can get nuclear DNA from bones only 2000 years old, I think you run into problems when you go beyond the 10000 year mark.
A quick Google search and here is a story about DNA from 30000 year old bones:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/15/news/gene.php
Interesting. Thanks for the link.

nastynun 02-25-2007 10:11 PM
You can read more about it here to http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/tomb.html

JP-pornshooter 02-26-2007 11:32 AM
This is pretty interesting. Sure it may prove that Jesus didnt resurrect, or atleast not in flesh and blood. But on the flip side, it could prove that there was a Jesus, and a Magdelena. And why were the burried in stone tombs in a cave ? Back in the day those funeral spots were for the royals only, they must have had some sort of "importance" in the community, not just a carpenter... I a definitively looking forward to the documentary, this is going to be big.

pocketkangaroo 02-26-2007 12:12 PM
I've been reading that most scientists think it's just a big media thing to build ratings to the show. Apparently the name was not uncommon during that time and historic timetables show that it was unlikely he was buried there.

I'm not religious in anyway, but I just have a feeling this is a big publicity stunt.

wizhard 02-26-2007 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 11976314)
This is pretty interesting. Sure it may prove that Jesus didnt resurrect, or atleast not in flesh and blood. But on the flip side, it could prove that there was a Jesus, and a Magdelena. And why were the burried in stone tombs in a cave ? Back in the day those funeral spots were for the royals only, they must have had some sort of "importance" in the community, not just a carpenter... I a definitively looking forward to the documentary, this is going to be big.


There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Jesus definately was of royal decent, ( an Egyptian prince in exile who's lineage can be traced back to King David and probably even further into the dynastic Kings and Queens of ancient Egypt ), but for centuries this somewhat embarrasing fact has been covered up by the Church.

As for Jesus being a carpenter - there is in fact no evidence outside the new testament that this was ever the case. A much more likely scenario would be that Jesus would have inhertited the title "Gods Carpenter", ( a common Pharonic title ), from his father Joseph.

polle54 02-26-2007 12:17 PM
sex sex sex thats all they ever think about

Tom_PM 02-26-2007 12:21 PM
Well the word is that Mary and Joseph etc were some of the most common names of the times. And proving the jesus and mary bones are not blood related is then presumed to mean that therefore they were married. But remember they found like 10 peoples bones in there, and no way to know for absolute sure if any two were married or not. Also saying things like why would Jesus be buried in jeruselem when he was from nazareth, and this was a very RICH persons grave site, while Jesus was extremely poor.

Now, I would say if the bones of the child could be proven with mitochondrial DNA to be descended directly from the female bones, you COULD say the baby was this or that womans child.

Anyway, pretty intriguing stuff regardless.

Simon IA Cash 02-26-2007 01:42 PM
If you're willing to believe he was resurrected at all, you could definitely believe his spirit came back in a human form, and it didn't have to be the same bones.

Theo 02-26-2007 01:48 PM
duh, I had Pausania the spartan general in mind when i said he was born before christ (not the explorer Pausania). Anyhow, Lysias name is false for sure since he lived during Plato era.

chartgraves 02-26-2007 01:54 PM
waiting for this news conference - anyone have any info?

split_joel 02-26-2007 01:59 PM
well this isnt going to be a big deal because christians and catholics will say this is just the devil speaking and its not true.

TheJimmy 02-26-2007 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11970054)
Bad week to be pope.
spawning yet a new meaning to Pwned...

:pimp

tranza 02-26-2007 02:23 PM
Here we go again.

Big Red Machine 02-26-2007 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr (Post 11970153)
You are going to hell for posting this.
Do we get 72 Virgins:upsidedow

anne 02-26-2007 05:19 PM
[QUOTE=split_joel;11977184]well this isnt going to be a big deal because christians and catholics will say this is just the devil speaking and its not true.[/Q

Pretty much. The same thing happen with the dead sea scrolls

LadyMischief 02-26-2007 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF (Post 11973628)
i don't see how any dna could have been preserved for so long
They have extracted DNA from Pharoahs mummies that are far older than these bones are supposed to be. Hell they've extracted DNA from Dinosaurs now, there was a documentary about it on Discovery not that long ago.


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