I tought the thread was Gary Pride: but who cares, it´s same thing as this so..

heheh.. 'cept he was talking about lesbians.. so actually it's less..

I'm fat and lazy and proud. Where's my fucking parade?

You're not a minority in the USA. LOL!

eh.. protest, pride etc go along with being part of a generally despised minority.. I wouldn't take it as some plan to take over the world sporting arenas.. just the thing you say if you're a part of that minority.. just like 15 year old girls would say hi to their best friends .. older teens might "shout out" their school or whatever.. I don't think they were wanting "were wanting something other than ordinary attention.".. just the baggage that goes along with that minority..

Gay rights. How about citizen rights instead of gay rights. In the US all citizens should have equal rights under the law, not special rights, or special recognition.

Rights are one thing, gay pride is a different thing, and I for one do not understand the flaunting of being gay or taking any special pride in being gay and I think that it probably has a backlash effect.

I think that abnormal is a more civil term to use than "freak of nature" and I doubt that gays work any harder than any average person, but yes, it is my understanding that for the most part gays are productive tax paying members of society.

FUS.

And while we pay our full share of taxes, just like you, we can't get married if we want to, because a bunch of old douchebags in power say so.
Doesn't that suck Pathfinder?

Think about that next time you look at your wedding ring (if you're married, I don't know you) and someone told you that it's illegal and your marriage is not recognized anywhere, even though you're a citizen, pay your taxes and go to work everyday just like everyone else, but dont have the same right as everyone else.

How would you feel?

I mean hey.. I didn't see the thing... but im not sure whether it's worth a thread.. we all know people want recognition etc. we all know where everyone stands.. im sure you weren't shocked by them.. I don't see the problem with homosexuality so I don't see the point im making a fuss starting a thread. Its not as if they're an underground organisation trying to take over the world. you might as well start a thread when a black guy or women talks about african americans/womens recognition as business people or me going on about how aussies aren't all cork hat wearing kangaroo riding farmers.... it's not as if *your* rights are being eroded.. so who cares what some idiot at a sporting event was standing for?

agree

Although I dont think that ANY 'minority' that wants to be 'accepted'and complains about being 'discriminated' should demand special rights or recognition.

That just doenst make sense.. get my point?

Marriage is overrated anyway ;-)

heheh touche.

No, not really.

I don't think gays want any special rights.. or anything that anyone else doesn't have. Just the IVF access/adoption/marriage/spousal rights etc. that other citizens get... so talking about "special rights" is a bit of a strawman..

Great.. you just failed my 'are you straight?' test.

like your right to try and get a dvd player for longest thread heheh :)

Hmm, you are an odd little fellow.

Thanks! :thumbsup

Mr. Thumbs is GFY's resident stalker.

Well...I am not a constitutional expert so I don't know if gays have a constitutional leg to stand on when they demand the right to be married under the law.

You probably know more about this issue being brought before the Federal Supreme Court than I, as I do not know if this issue has been decided by the Supreme Court.

I suspect this issue may never be overcome by the gay community, but it will depend upon the Supreme Courts interpretation of the constitution.

If I were a Christian (which I am not), as the majority of the people of this country profess to be, I would be against it, based upon my understanding of the Christian Bible.

This may be an area where gays are wanting special recognition, as by tradition through out all of history, marriage has generally been, if not always, between couples of the opposite sex.

I for one find homosexuality abhorrent, but I recognize that the sexual preferrences of an adult should be that of the individual.

Yes, I am married and have been for 36 years.

That's a lot of qualifying text Pathfinder: "this may", "you probably", "I suspect", "I don't know if"

Are you agreeing with me or not?

He's just right: and you know it!

No I am not agreeing. I am ambivalent about the subject of gays being married. I really don't care one way or the other, but it will be up to the Supreme Court and their interpretation of the constitution.

Gays have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else.

Innocent until proven guilty!

pathfinder et al

the premise of your is that homosexuality is 'abnormal'. This is incorrect. It is incorrect if for no other reason that homosexuality would have died out in the human population ages ago and clearly this has not happened.

Homosexuality is a 'normal' as heterosexuality.

I follow the argument that there is predisposition towards homosexuality on the part of some aka 'the gay gene'

As more and more studies point to the genetic basis for human and indeed all mammalian behaviour, one should be asking oneself what genetic advantage is gained by being homosexual for clearly there is some advantage otherwise the predisposition would have died out if it were 'abnormal'

I can think of many advantages for our ancestors to have gay people in the tribe....not the least of which the the artistic/scientific component that has been pointed out above.

As to the legal arguments raised above about gays wanted special rights.... again the premise of that argument is flawed. Gay people are not looking for special rights, they're looking for the same rights enjoyed by their fellow citizens. Anything less than that is legally authorized discrimination.

Rights? Homosexual rights? Homosexual pride?

In case nobody here took biology 101, the point of "sex" is reproduction. Period.

Penis was not made for anus. Vagina was not made to rub on other vaginas.

Homosexuality is an aberration.

Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end. It is mother natures way of population control.

And I am talking of true homosexuality, not fad homosexuality.

I want you to name MORE advantages of having homosexuals in the "tribe".

What about all the scientists and artists in the past that were not homosexual? That truly is one of the most bizarre and probably irrelevant arguments I have ever heard for homosexuality.

We need homosexuals cause they are more creative.

Speechless.

You don't have to call it marriage, just give two gay people the same rights as two heterosexual people who are married, call it partnership.

One more thing, I know that freedom of religion is pretty big in US, if gay people would start gayism :) where the norm is that people of the same sex get married, would it be breaking the constitution not to give them that right?

We are living in the 21st century, you don't have to have sex to make babies...A planet full of gay people could survive...

Merriam Webster's Delux Dictionary:
abnormal: deviating from the normal or average.

But I have stated that it can be argued that it is normal to have a certain percentage of the population be abnormal.

There are abnormalities in all of nature, so it is normal to have a certain amount of abnormality.

I would think that when couples of the same sex are asking to be married under the law, they are asking for special rights. As has been pointed out by another poster they already have the same rights of marriage as any citizen. They can marry whoever they choose of the opposite sex.

heheh that was a pretty lame argument archer. I was going to take you up on it until labret stepped in with his usual subtlety :)
im sure he's taking notes for his next anthro thesis.. heheh
there are very heavy environmental factors leaning on the "creativity" in the gay community... as well as the fact that i would wager that any inherent creativity comes not from being a homosexual but being wired a little differently ergo a bias towards "not thinking like the rest" which may result in either creativity or differing sexuality or both or other attributes that may arise.. in fact I would just as easily say being creative means you have a tendency to be able to become/realise you are gay as being gay means you have a tendency to become/realise you are creative.

There are cities/states that have approved partnership rights, but the gays also want the right for same sex couples to be married under the law.

Well...Mormons cannot legally have multiple wives, as used to be part of their religion, so freedom of religion still has to be within the boundaries of the law.

:1orglaugh

a "special" right would be a right that only homosexuals would be entitled to would it not? if the law was passed then pathfinder you too as a heterosexual would have a right to marry a person of the same sex.. the same right evry citizen would have.. and therefore not a "special" right

what kind of a right is being able to marry a person of the same sex to you??? i'd wager just as useful as the right for a homosexual to marry a woman. currently by your reasoning YOU are the one with "special rights".

I guess I just don't see the point.. who gives a fuck who marries who? and it's not only a religious thing either.. civil celebrants marry the non-religious every day.

Well the current law is that homosexuals cannot marry, so they are asking for a special law to be created that would allow same sex marriages, but you are correct that if such a law were to be passed then that right under the law would apply to all citizens.

perhaps instead of "special" you mean "additional equalising" law

I have already stated this in a previous post.

We only have rights under the law and the laws in this country are required to adhere to the Constitution. Until laws are passed covering a specific subject, either yea or nay, we do not have a right.

Heterosexuals currently have the right, under the law, to marry the opposite sex, homosexuals do not have the right to marry someone of the same sex. Homosexuals are asking that a new law (a new right) be made. I don't know if the matter has gone before the Supreme Court or not, but if it has the Court ruled it not to be Constitutional, or ruled that it falls under the realm of States Rights to adjudicate the matter.

I would like to see us set aside an Island for the gays to live on.
Lets see how well they clone babies and populate using a science lab. What a joke. We could take bets on what wipes them out first. Aids, or their inability to get the clones right.
You really think a gay-only planet or country would thrive?