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SilentBean 03-06-2007 05:12 PM

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

KingK7 03-06-2007 05:22 PM

Haha funny pics

It does not matter if 99% of the EU population ( I am not including kebab-shop owners, taxi-drivers and "donnie" in those numbers ) do not want Turkey as a part of the EU, the politically correct people at the top will want to include them anyways.

AtlantisCash 03-06-2007 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abyss_al (Post 12030715)
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

stupid turks

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

++

What what what?

Tell me loser, i can't hear you very well,sorry, you said a Turk dumped your shitty ass?
:helpme

:banana :321GFY

atman 03-06-2007 05:51 PM

great pics

AtlantisCash 03-06-2007 06:01 PM

Guys!.

i can't believe that what you say.

how some of you guys can judge people without knowing about them?

1. Turkiye is not an Islamic republic & they can't set europ too.

2. don't worry we don't want to enter EU even we will have million euros for each of us, only our government wants it who licks EU's & America's asses.

3. any of them are not Turks who came there with Turkiye passport; (a specially keep in mind monkey kurds which you loved very much to use against Turkiye).

4. uneducated or sick people are every where, not only here.

yea everybody is good & we are bad only.

Nodtveidt 03-06-2007 07:33 PM

Some of those pics look like Puerto Rico, especially the one with the phone pole in the middle of the road (this actually exists on the way to my new home).

abyss_al 03-06-2007 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash (Post 12030915)
++

What what what?

Tell me loser, i can't hear you very well,sorry, you said a Turk dumped your shitty ass?
:helpme

:banana :321GFY


:ak47: fuck the turks.

Lev 03-06-2007 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash (Post 12031097)
Guys!.

i can't believe that what you say.

how some of you guys can judge people without knowing about them?

1. Turkiye is not an Islamic republic & they can't set europ too.

2. don't worry we don't want to enter EU even we will have million euros for each of us, only our government wants it who licks EU's & America's asses.

3. any of them are not Turks who came there with Turkiye passport; (a specially keep in mind monkey kurds which you loved very much to use against Turkiye).

4. uneducated or sick people are every where, not only here.

yea everybody is good & we are bad only.


Turkey is Islamic and is becoming less and less secular. Hardcore nationalists are gaining ground, look at the penal code 301, which jails people who insult Turkey

Silly Guy 03-06-2007 10:01 PM

Funny pics :1orglaugh

but nevertheless there are many other countries in the past that should not have joined the EU!

Just from the point of view of core EU members:

Expanding the borders does not just make it easier for manufacturers to move labour into cheaper (once upon a time) eastern block countries and thus limit the work available for their own workforce but also the funding by the EU that has in the past and still does go to needy places like Cornwall, UK or the eastern part of Germany will be pretty much limited.

There are newcomer exeptions of course that do fit in really well

Silly Guy 03-06-2007 10:03 PM

ups i forgot

50 turks looking to enter the eu...ok done

Libertine 03-06-2007 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lev (Post 12031974)
Turkey is Islamic and is becoming less and less secular. Hardcore nationalists are gaining ground, look at the penal code 301, which jails people who insult Turkey

You seem to be implying that islamism and nationalism in Turkey are somehow linked.

In fact, however, modern-day Turkey was founded upon a combination of nationalism and secularism. The military, which has long held an exceedingly important political position in Turkey, has always tried to defend these two things - often by questionable means. Only recently, Turkey has become more democratic, which has ironically increased the power of Turkish Islamists. Many Turkish nationalists, including the military, still vehemently oppose the Islamisation of the state. And make no mistake about it - the Turkish nationalist/secular faction is quite radical in its rejection of Islamism. For example, to this day, women are banned from wearing headscarves as a symbol of Islam in public office and in universities.

Just recently, the Dutch Queen visited Turkey, and extended an invitation for a concert to the (secular/nationalist) Turkish president. He declined, most likely because there would be women wearing headscarves attending the event as well - like the (islamist) prime minister's wife.

The two movements which you seemed to link together are in fact strongly opposed to eachother :2 cents:

Lev 03-06-2007 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12032144)
You seem to be implying that islamism and nationalism in Turkey are somehow linked.

In fact, however, modern-day Turkey was founded upon a combination of nationalism and secularism. The military, which has long held an exceedingly important political position in Turkey, has always tried to defend these two things - often by questionable means. Only recently, Turkey has become more democratic, which has ironically increased the power of Turkish Islamists. Many Turkish nationalists, including the military, still vehemently oppose the Islamisation of the state. And make no mistake about it - the Turkish nationalist/secular faction is quite radical in its rejection of Islamism. For example, to this day, women are banned from wearing headscarves as a symbol of Islam in public office and in universities.

Just recently, the Dutch Queen visited Turkey, and extended an invitation for a concert to the (secular/nationalist) Turkish president. He declined, most likely because there would be women wearing headscarves attending the event as well - like the (islamist) prime minister's wife.

The two movements which you seemed to link together are in fact strongly opposed to eachother :2 cents:

Common man, do you actually believe your fairy tales, the Erdogan government is a puppet, they make it sound that Turkey is secular on the surface, while deep rooted nationalism thrives in the country. By nationalism, I don't mean hardcore Islamic views, I mean the "Pan-turkic" ideology, where Turkey stretches from Europe to Asia and only Turks live in it. These are hardcore views and ideologies that is threatening to engulf Turkey into deeper extreemism. I, mean look at the penal code 301, which basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey or "Turkishness". How do you think Hrant Dink died, was it because of one secluded incident? There is much more you don't know.

gimilin 03-06-2007 10:56 PM

Lev,i think you are right

Libertine 03-06-2007 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lev (Post 12032238)
Common man, do you actually believe your fairy tales, the Erdogan government is a puppet, they make it sound that Turkey is secular on the surface, while deep rooted nationalism thrives in the country. By nationalism, I don't mean hardcore Islamic views, I mean the "Pan-turkic" ideology, where Turkey stretches from Europe to Asia and only Turks live in it. These are hardcore views and ideologies that is threatening to engulf Turkey into deeper extreemism. I, mean look at the penal code 301, which basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey or "Turkishness". How do you think Hrant Dink died, was it because of one secluded incident? There is much more you don't know.

Eh... wtf? :eek7

No, the Erdogan government is not a puppet. It's an annoyance to the Turkish secular nationalists, and it's Islamist background is a potential source of future conflict.

Yes, Turkey has a strong secular tradition. And no, that does not contradict in any way with it's admittedly deep-rooted nationalism. (*)

Yes, there are some radical nationalists who plan to take over the world. There are many more who would like to do so, but realize that it's not going to happen. Most of those, however, do intend to keep Turkey a strongly nationalist state, and will gladly imprison, kill or torture those who attack (their idea of) Turkey.

Likewise, there are some radical Islamists in Turkey, who plan to turn it into a purely Islamic state. There are many more who will settle for as much Islamism as they can get. Some of those are non-nationalist Turkish Islamists, some are nationalist Turks as well as Islamists.

While the law you are referring to is relatively new, Turkish nationalism is not. Likewise, the case of Hrant Dink is clearly not isolated. Just look at the many human rights activists who have been threatened, imprisoned and even murdered for (peacefully) raising the issue of Kurdish rights.

The point I am making is that Turkey is not moving in a single, clear way. There are several factions within Turkey with radically different and incompatible goals, and just lumping them all together is deeply misleading at best.

Libertine 03-06-2007 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimilin (Post 12032254)
Lev,i think you are right

Sigwhores should stfu when adults are talking.

xcitecash 03-07-2007 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lev (Post 12028357)

This pic is just an illusion.. the football pitch is flat ...its the lake that tilted...stupid !!!!

DutchTeenCash 03-07-2007 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash (Post 12031097)
Guys!.

i can't believe that what you say.

how some of you guys can judge people without knowing about them?

1. Turkiye is not an Islamic republic & they can't set europ too.

2. don't worry we don't want to enter EU even we will have million euros for each of us, only our government wants it who licks EU's & America's asses.

3. any of them are not Turks who came there with Turkiye passport; (a specially keep in mind monkey kurds which you loved very much to use against Turkiye).

4. uneducated or sick people are every where, not only here.

yea everybody is good & we are bad only.

WOW thats the biggest bs Ive heard

Im sure others already covered this but lemme post one link to show youre so wrong

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/...y/rel-religion

TURKISH RELIGION STATS:

Church attendance: 43%
Islam > Percentage Muslim: 99%
Islam > Population: 68,963,953

Amadora 03-07-2007 06:42 AM

That is funny!!!!

Gabriel Night 03-07-2007 06:44 AM

funny and i can imagine it is true :(

DutchTeenCash 03-07-2007 06:49 AM

Hey Lev: since you seem to know a lot bout this, can you tell me who came up with this 301 code?

TBrown 03-07-2007 06:50 AM

OHHHHHHHH the wiseguys...I've seen those pics hundred times in connection with Romania, Bulgaria too..

Well any of you wiseguys have been to Turkey??Cuz I have and I found it one of the best places int this planet!!

lot 03-07-2007 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lev (Post 12028357)

Is that for real? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

TBrown 03-07-2007 07:04 AM

Funny to read the judgement of ppl whose world looks like that:

http://macnugget.org/albums/strange/america_big.gif

Lev 03-07-2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash (Post 12033628)
Hey Lev: since you seem to know a lot bout this, can you tell me who came up with this 301 code?

This penal code is not new, it basically replaced the old code, 159 with more restrictions and was signed by President Ahmet Necdet Sezer on 1 June, 2005.
It, basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey, Turkishness (a word invented by nationalists) or insult Turkey's founder, Ataturk.

Lev 03-07-2007 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12032365)
Eh... wtf? :eek7

No, the Erdogan government is not a puppet. It's an annoyance to the Turkish secular nationalists, and it's Islamist background is a potential source of future conflict.

Yes, Turkey has a strong secular tradition. And no, that does not contradict in any way with it's admittedly deep-rooted nationalism. (*)

Yes, there are some radical nationalists who plan to take over the world. There are many more who would like to do so, but realize that it's not going to happen. Most of those, however, do intend to keep Turkey a strongly nationalist state, and will gladly imprison, kill or torture those who attack (their idea of) Turkey.

Likewise, there are some radical Islamists in Turkey, who plan to turn it into a purely Islamic state. There are many more who will settle for as much Islamism as they can get. Some of those are non-nationalist Turkish Islamists, some are nationalist Turks as well as Islamists.

While the law you are referring to is relatively new, Turkish nationalism is not. Likewise, the case of Hrant Dink is clearly not isolated. Just look at the many human rights activists who have been threatened, imprisoned and even murdered for (peacefully) raising the issue of Kurdish rights.

The point I am making is that Turkey is not moving in a single, clear way. There are several factions within Turkey with radically different and incompatible goals, and just lumping them all together is deeply misleading at best.


Either you are a non-Turk who has no clue about Turkey or you are a Turk who has not been to Turkey for ages. Nationalism is gaining ground, just look at how a prominent journalist was gunned down in broad daylight, then the killer was hailed as a hero, look at the police posing with the guy

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...afp203body.jpg

The whole secular thing is just a front, a front for EU, so Europeans can see how Turkey has changed, but it is all on the surface. Maybe Istambul is secular and liberal, but most of the country is brainwashed by nationalistic ideas, like "Pan-Turanism". The whole legal system is very biased and prohibits any anti-Turkish ideas.

Oh, and look at this video and you will know what I am talking about

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XgnxNFDxyoc

People throwing eggs and threatening Orhan Pamuk, Turkey's greatest novelist and a Nobel Prize winner!

BigPinPin 03-07-2007 12:22 PM

LOL great pics :D I hope this fucking country will never be part of the EU...these turks just bring trouble and their fucked up religious bullshit.

The Sultan Of Smut 03-07-2007 12:23 PM

LOL those are great but I doubt all of the are of Turkey but rather just a collection from a guy with an axe to grind.

Mike Semen 03-07-2007 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPinPin (Post 12035083)
LOL great pics :D I hope this fucking country will never be part of the EU...these turks just bring trouble and their fucked up religious bullshit.


Actually the EU influence may have a good, calming effect on the country. Getting them out of Northern Cyprus as a power would also be a desireable (if unlikely) effect.

Looking at the Turks I have seen in Scandinavia, they overall make pretty good migrants. They usually work hard and integrate a lot better than some nationalities.

I think EU membership for Turley is desireable for a lot of people, as it would have effects on the balance of power in that part of the world.

BlueDesignStudios 03-07-2007 12:54 PM

hahaha some funny pics there!

porno jew 03-07-2007 12:59 PM

maybe because they are terrorists? oh i forgot, we are talking about EURABIA, i'm sure they'll welcome them with OPEN ARMS.

Lev 03-07-2007 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 12035304)
maybe because they are terrorists? oh i forgot, we are talking about EURABIA, i'm sure they'll welcome them with OPEN ARMS.

its crazy, 10% of France are Arabs

DutchTeenCash 03-08-2007 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lev (Post 12035013)
This penal code is not new, it basically replaced the old code, 159 with more restrictions and was signed by President Ahmet Necdet Sezer on 1 June, 2005.
It, basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey, Turkishness (a word invented by nationalists) or insult Turkey's founder, Ataturk.

ah didnt know that - thanks

I just read the whole Youtube block in Turkey due to this, gotta say kinda freaks me out

okdesign 03-08-2007 02:25 PM

Not only in Turkey! :) :thumbsup

RudeBoy 03-08-2007 03:21 PM

EU suck .. USA USA USA !

needlive 03-08-2007 03:33 PM

The bar table and the soccer pitch are ridiculous...

Mike Semen 03-08-2007 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RudeBoy (Post 12042140)
EU suck .. USA USA USA !

How about you fuck off?

Z 03-08-2007 06:25 PM

What is it about Turks that every European I know hates? It's really rare to be hated by absolutely everybody, but I swear I've heard women use language that would make a sailor blush describing Turks.

porno jew 03-08-2007 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z (Post 12043079)
What is it about Turks that every European I know hates? It's really rare to be hated by absolutely everybody, but I swear I've heard women use language that would make a sailor blush describing Turks.

http://www3.baylor.edu/Library/BCPM/...t911/tower.jpg

YAP 03-08-2007 06:31 PM

morron, most of those pictures are from romania and guess what, they are in the eu.

Probably one of your female (and maybe male) relatives got fucked in Turkey and now you are seeking for some kind of a revenge. :321GFY

Theo 03-08-2007 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 12032365)
Eh... wtf? :eek7

No, the Erdogan government is not a puppet. It's an annoyance to the Turkish secular nationalists, and it's Islamist background is a potential source of future conflict.

Yes, Turkey has a strong secular tradition. And no, that does not contradict in any way with it's admittedly deep-rooted nationalism. (*)
.


wow, great post, very true.

and no im not turk lol


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