I used to be her biggest afillate and she made me ok money
But it's one thing I have learnt is you cant deal with a flake I have better things to do with my traffic.

Ah yes, Nikki Nevada...

i swear that girl is poison - worst thing you could have done Mike is get involved with her. You know I am not that tech savvy and when I saw this setup a few days ago I did wonder since the initial click was getting registered with CCBILL why the affiliate ID wasn't being passed to CCBILL's signup page. If it doesn't get onto that page there simply is no way for the affiliate to get the credit.

BUT.......... you and her check stats, though knowing her laziness she probably doesn't, whether it's every day or every other day, you would have to notice in your stats that suddenly there was a significant drop in affiliate signups/payouts. I checked with Ryan at AmateurIndex when I was passed this information, he went and looked at his stats and he hadn't recorded a signup with AshCash since Jan 9th - this is an affiliate who i bet over the 2 years of her site is her #1 affiliate or close to it and they have always converted at 1:500 or better. And suddenly they are not getting anything - same with Phil Flash who I know would still be sending regular signups since he still has her banner up on his popular solo girl forum and probably in other spots in his network. You can't blame technical glitches at CCBILL or NATS for that - there was something very obvious going on with how this switch to NATS was going for her loyal CCBILL affiliates.

The best solution is to go through the stats for the past year and average out what affiliates were making and pay them for the lost revenue over the time this problem has existed.

I am not done with that girl - not by a long shot. I'm waiting until that ridiculous lawsuit filled with lies is over and done with.

i am forced to pull links right now, cant be having this shady-ness


speaking of shady sponsors, i advise to pull all bucks18 link aswell, they arent paying affiliates either

Bump! Bump! Bump!

So what happened with your CCBill phone call?
Why aren't affiliates being credited with sales?
How are all the affiliates lost / non credited sales going to be handled?

A bump for some answers!

ok, so, here is what I see from someone checking this who has nothin invested in this whatsoever, I don't promote her, but I am signed up from a long while ago through ccbill

I tried my link code, I see a click in the ccbill area....when I click on the join link I see the ccbill form for 1 second before it switches to the NATS form....how is a ccbill affiliate going to get credit for signing up through a nats form? ccbill has VERY specific join forms that you MUST use to get credit

here is some code from http://tour1.ashleybrookes.com/join.html which is the page you see briefly before being redirected to http://ab.adultdimensions.com/signup...MDowOjE&step=2

<META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh" content="0;URL=http://ab.adultdimensions.com/signup/signup.php?nats=MDowOjE&step=2">

something is fishy there, not right one bit, there is no reason to redirect a ccbill affiliate to a nats page, period...add on top of that it is an "adultdimensions" signup form even though the adultdimensions owners says she is still using ccbill for affiliates, then, well, that is a huge issue

Congratulations to Mutt! In my 3.5 years at this forum I've never seen someone own another person so badly.

http://www.pwnd.it/img/pwn/pwn34.jpg

They switched their join codes to their new nats system. They didn't plan on telling or fixing it for affiliates. It's a 100% instant shave and Mike knows it, so does everyone involved.

LOL, what a flake

I was thinking the same thing. Seems as though Mike can spin it all different ways, but the bottom line is none of her affiliates that promote her that I talked to have had a sale in a while and no test signups are getting credited. Looks like adultdimensions shot itself in the foot before its ever launched.

bump for a scammer

So Mike69 you care to share your REAL stats on Affiliate sales for the last few Months?

Bad move, to give this authorization! Do you really want people to find out what your affiliate sales have dropped to, and the Month they did???

Pulling all links and they won't be going back up when this "mess" is resolved either.

wheres that pic of the Iraqi Defense minister when you need it....

don't you guys use zango ?

Mike69,

You call yourself a "fair programmer", so the install of NATS, should be a cake walk for you!

CCBILL ---- I am sure you have been dealing with programming sites that use or deal with ccbill for years.

I am sure you understand the workings of cookies, browsers, codes, scripts, and so on.

Heck you wrote some well know software, that cleans peoples computers. (internet eraser) Now I just heard this, not sure, but I did find some good reads on GFY.

gfy.com/showthread.php?t=37099&highlight=internet+eraser (Michael Burns -- Head Programmer for Amateur Pages / Adult.com)

I would believe you know your way around ccbill stats very well. Sponsor and Affiliate Sides!

I would also think you would notice that your affiliate payouts dropped off, and would want to find out why!

Wait, if no one notices, why fix it?
Wait, If I refresh the browser, it makes the cookie almost impossible to get picked up, while running it through third party software.
Geez, if affiliates are not getting paid out with ccbill, and your or someone with ashcash is not writing checks, where is the money going?

That also brings up, ashcash.net ONLY has ccbill codes to signup on and promote, how convenient, since MOST of the cookies will not be picked up.

I know this only shows there is a Problem with running NATS and CCBILL on the same tours, But you would think a Smart guy like yourself might know these things...
Or maybe, just maybe see that affiliates are not getting paid like they were use to.....

To Properly run NATS and CCBILL together you have to offer 2 separate complete tours for each. ccbill codes should never see NATS, and vise versa.

If this was only a week or 2 issue I could understand, but it has been a lot longer than that.....

Just how I see things....

I contacted CCBILL and some programmers and found out these things.......listed above, and what will be in

MY NEXT POST

I might be wrong on this, but I believe Amateur Pages, Internet Eraser is Lensmans (GFY) and wasn't any part of CCbill but i really didn't pay attention to others at all back then.

but anyway, this seems very shaddy. Regardless of intential vs unintential how do you not notice a drop to zero in your affiliate sales the same exact time you start tinkering with signups pages.... You make a change, you check stats to double check your work to make sure you didn't screw something up.

A bump for some answers!

Where did Mike69 go?
What happened with that CCBill phone call?

Bueller.... Bueller.... Bueller....

Sorry if it looked like I was saying CCBILL and internet eraser were together, I have NO IDEA about that.

I was stating that if he can program that, be the LEAD Programmer, setup GFY, and so on, I am sure in his years of the internet has dealt with ccbill as well, with different sites...

I find that kind of disturbing

someone is ripping off ccbill and all they can say is "contact the site owner"?

No one is ripping off ccbill, they still get the sales... it is not going to a third party biller, just tracking software...

lol, no doubt!

Mike69 = scammer.

Noted in the GFY database forever.

You're fucked dude. :)

um...he is redirecting affiliate sales to a nats form that does not give the affiliate credit, that is scamming, and using ccbill in this form of scamming is basically ripping off ccbill....they are losing affiliates, therefore losing sales, therefore losing money

As a program that uses a third party program and also still has affiliates promoting our sites through the ccbill affiliate system.... I just want to add a little emphasis to the word MAY.

I don't know how AshCash is doing it and so I'm not taking a side one way or the other... just defending the programs that use other software in conjunction with ccbill, effectively and honestly. it's definately possible.

Oh I see you view.
Since affiliates will stop promoting the site, then the sites have less sales, and ccbill's cut is smaller because of less sales, from lack of promotion...

Now that ran my mind around in circles...

Honestly it is a Simple fix...

RUN 2 Different Touring systems...

sitename.com/ccbill -- tour -- join form
sitename.com/nats --- tour -- join form (different from the one above..)

Yep ref the post above!!!

Yup you can do it that way. There ar a couple other ways to do it too.

Well it's been over a day or two since the test sale went through and still not showing up in CCBill. This was on a clean computer, with no previous cookies, and directly linked to her site through the affiliate code.

If you would like the sale information or whatever, I can e-mail you receipt so you can look it up in the system. Whether it's malicious or an accident, sales are not being recorded for affiliates.

With AdultDimensions program going live soon I'm assuming, I'm sure you'd want to clear up the issue so that everyone doesn't assume you are stealing from affiliates.

Good thing I sent only 1400 hits with no sales of course...

Thanks for the info.

Ashley Brookes is history!

Funny how official replies have ceased...

No more concerns for me, I wasn't making much and I've pulled my links...

But I'll keep bumping this thread :)

Seems they have!!!

Hardly....

I don't own the program, and don't make anything from it.

If you want to call it official... I will be posting more in about 2 hrs...

I don't sit on the boards all day...

I'm not worried since I've pulled my links. Others have too.

If you're just the "programmer", and you're not really concerned about posting, then who's in charge, and why haven't they acted? As more people see this thread, more will cease promoting the site.

Nah... wait... why am I even bothering typing this out. BUMP!!!!!!

It's actually considered fraud by some. Would suck if someone reported her to the authorities.

I'm also real surprised that NATS doesn't have a problem with having their program involved in this. I know it's nothing directly, but the folks at NATS have always been quick to seperate themselves from places that shave.

haha just got this email

Dear Ashcash Affiliate, An error has been found in the tracking system, some sales have not been credited to webmasters. We do however, have all click stats. To resolve this issue we have decided to payout all webmasters based on clicks sent. This will have no effect on your sales and rebill money, you will get the per click payout on top of your regular CCBill payouts. You will be paid on your clicks from Dec 15 2006 - March 11 2007 This will give us time to change the system to be sure the CCBill tracking system works 100&#37; We will be paying 1.5 cents per click on the clicks into the CCBill system. Unfortunately, CCBill does not provide us with your payment details. Please forward you payment details to [email protected] We will need your Pay To Name, Name, Address and Affiliate ID. We will process the payments during the week of March 12 2007. Ashcash