The picture is very scary i might say.I`ve posted on another thread that the world isn`t fair,now you understand what I`m saying ?

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I bet if you were a photographer /journalist in africa and asked a dcotor what they would do if they were a photographer/journalist in the same situation, they would prob say the same thing.. You could drive around for 10 years straight picking up starving children about to be picked off by vultures and not put a dent in the problem (if you didnt die of disease first ) , but a picture of one can make a much bigger difference.

Its sort of ironic that many people can't see the correlation between that photo and the news reporters during hurricane katrina.. flying in air conditioned choppers to do interviews while people died inside the stadium and in hospitals. in terms of numbers its even more suprising , in africa the death from starvation is enormous , so its easy to see how little your intervention would help.. whereas during katrina , any of those reporters could have said " you know what , this story isn't important. saving people is, lets go save people"

USA is doing the least :)

Per GDP:
#1 Denmark: $8.23 per $1,000 of GDP
#2 Luxembourg: $7.57 per $1,000 of GDP
#3 Netherlands: $6.93 per $1,000 of GDP
#4 Norway: $5.60 per $1,000 of GDP
#5 Sweden: $4.91 per $1,000 of GDP
#6 United Kingdom: $3.69 per $1,000 of GDP
#7 Ireland: $3.31 per $1,000 of GDP
#8 Lesotho: $3.20 per $1,000 of GDP
#9 Belgium: $3.06 per $1,000 of GDP
#10 Switzerland: $3.06 per $1,000 of GDP
#11 France: $2.70 per $1,000 of GDP
#12 Canada: $2.65 per $1,000 of GDP
#13 Austria: $2.35 per $1,000 of GDP
#14 Germany: $2.06 per $1,000 of GDP
#15 Finland: $2.03 per $1,000 of GDP
#16 Japan: $1.93 per $1,000 of GDP
#17 Portugal: $1.61 per $1,000 of GDP
#18 Australia: $1.42 per $1,000 of GDP
#19 Spain: $1.34 per $1,000 of GDP
#20 New Zealand: $1.00 per $1,000 of GDP
#21 Korea, South: $0.62 per $1,000 of GDP
#22 Italy: $0.60 per $1,000 of GDP
#23 United States: $0.59 per $1,000 of GDP

Per capita:
#1 Luxembourg: $496.59 per capita
#2 Denmark: $366.93 per capita
#3 Norway: $303.63 per capita
#4 Netherlands: $242.55 per capita
#5 Sweden: $188.54 per capita
#6 Ireland: $149.43 per capita
#7 Switzerland: $146.20 per capita
#8 United Kingdom: $130.34 per capita
#9 Belgium: $103.29 per capita
#10 France: $88.71 per capita
#11 Austria: $83.12 per capita
#12 Canada: $78.55 per capita
#13 Finland: $72.45 per capita
#14 Japan: $69.82 per capita
#15 Germany: $67.94 per capita
#16 Australia: $44.12 per capita
#17 Spain: $32.92 per capita
#18 Portugal: $25.55 per capita
#19 New Zealand: $24.46 per capita
#20 United States: $23.12 per capita
#21 Italy: $17.20 per capita
#22 Korea, South: $8.67 per capita
#23 Lesotho: $2.18 per capita

Total:
#1 Japan: $8,900,000,000.00
#2 United Kingdom: $7,900,000,000.00
#3 United States: $6,900,000,000.00
#4 Germany: $5,600,000,000.00
#5 France: $5,400,000,000.00
#6 Netherlands: $4,000,000,000.00
#7 Canada: $2,600,000,000.00
#8 Denmark: $2,000,000,000.00
#9 Sweden: $1,700,000,000.00
#10 Norway: $1,400,000,000.00
#11 Spain: $1,330,000,000.00
#12 Switzerland: $1,100,000,000.00
#13 Belgium: $1,072,000,000.00
#14 Italy: $1,000,000,000.00
#15 Australia: $894,000,000.00
#16 Austria: $681,000,000.00
#17 Ireland: $607,000,000.00
#18 Korea, South: $423,300,000.00
#19 Finland: $379,000,000.00
#20 Portugal: $271,000,000.00
#21 Luxembourg: $235,590,000.00
#22 New Zealand: $99,700,000.00
#23 Lesotho: $4,400,000.00

it fucked up.

"least" is a bit harsh, considering they're in the top 25.

Ok, least of the rich industrial countries. I don't expect Rwanda to give any aid :)

It just pisses me off to hear Americans talk about how much USA gives. They acctually belive in their own lies...

For every 1 you might save...

? 2 more are borne.

samp!!!!!!!!!

Rational thinking has no place on GFY.

You must react on pure emotion at all times, particularly negative emotion.

this is old I've seen this before and read the article that came with it ... the photographer that took this shot was never the same after ...

europeans and americans ruined africa and destroyed their homeland.

I don't understand what you people expected this guy to do to save this child. She was obviously on death's door. Was he supposed to pull a magic Big Mac out of his pocket and ram it down her throat, healing her instantly?

He got rid of the bird, what more could he do? Was he supposed to stop and save all the other thousands of starving people as he walked around Africa?...using the miracle healing power of his magic bag of Big Macs? You can't just pick these people up and brush the dust off of them and tell them they're going to be OK now.

There was no food and clean water for these people. That is what killed them. Not some guy with a camera that took a picture of one of them.

All of you have seen the picture. Why aren't you boarding a plane to Africa right now to save these people? You're just as guilty as this guy was.

What's amusing is that some of you act as though the vulture was a tiger or something. It doesn't attack, it waits for animals/people to die.

That's the very nature of a vulture, it eats dead animals. The child was never in any danger from the thing.

That's why the picture is so powerful. The bird is waiting for the child to die. Yet the entire focus is how the guy waited 20 minutes to stop the bird from.... what? Waiting longer?

It's a fuckedup world, this pic makes me sad and angry at the same time...

First off Per GDP is BS when you look at the amount of money total. lol did you even look at the totals before you posted? The US is far from last.

#1 Japan: $8,900,000,000.00
#2 United Kingdom: $7,900,000,000.00
#3 United States: $6,900,000,000.00

Second, the US is busy being world police, so it's time for someone else to step up to the plate and take something like this on. Why should the US have to lead everything?

If anyone should be stepping up to the plate, it should be the Brits,the Chinese or Europe as a whole. After all the the Sudan was part of the British colonial empire, so they have a lot to do with what has happened in the Sudan over the last century. That and a genocide should touch a nerve with most Europeans being what happened during ww2.

As of today it's the Chinese whom are the top dogs of that country, so why does the world not pressure them to do something about the problem? Where are all those people, that protested against the US for going to war? Why are they not protesting the Chinese and the Olympics because of the issues in Sudan?

Or is it only popular to hate on the US?

Actually we are #3 when you look at the total. :winkwink:

Having kids myself, it makes me more sensitive to things like this.

Very sad/disturbing :(

post the full note, asswipe

"I am depressed ... without phone ... money for rent ... money for child support ... money for debts ... money!!! ... I am haunted by the vivid memories of killings & corpses & anger & pain ... of starving or wounded children, of trigger-happy madmen, often police, of killer executioners...I have gone to join Ken if I am that lucky"

but sure, as the "porno jew" you were just interested in the money part

perspective...

I see ?GDP? and ?per capita? is to much for you too understand. I would love to explain it to you, but I am afraid you wouldn?t understand it anyway. After all you have to have at least a high school degree to understand such a complex concepts as ?GDP? and ?per capita?.

:Oh crap :Oh crap :Oh crap :Oh crap

I hate rich people :Oh crap :Oh crap :Oh crap


j/k

but still its so depessing.

Well sorry but now your creating "straw men"


In this case there clearly was no immediate danger to Carter as there would be in a scenario where there would be other hazzards such as fire. The very least he could have done would have been to chase the vulture away and try to communicate with the girl to give her some moral support.

From Carters own testimony "nothing" is exactly what he does.

Well thats just speculation. I can only base my opinion on Carters actions from the available evidence where it's very clear that Carter took on the role of passive observer rather than choose to become involved in the little girls plight in any way.

Sorry my friend but thats one guilt trip you have no right to lay on me.

For all of you making comments that the guy that took the picture should've saved him, what about the parents of the child ??? where the fuck are they ??

AND to go more into it, if you didn't have enough food to feed yourselves, why would you bring a child into the same conditions ??? They're starving, but they muster up the energy to fuck and not pull out.

You can jump on me and say it's their belief or make up whatever excuses you'd like for those people, but I think it's just wrong to keep fucking and having kids only to have many of them end up like the child in the picture.

You call that the least? You are nothing but a fucking anti-American piece of shit. Show me your source by the way.

If he chose to save one child..he would then probably feel compelled to help all the starving children he was witnessing or expected to .. that was not the only starving child in the village he took photographs of.. its just the one that got published.

No , im pointing out an alternative scenario that is just as good as the guesses you have made , but alot more realistic.

umm typhoid , ebola , worms , dyptheria, thse are IMMEDIATE dangers that cause DEATH , thats why they warn them NOT TO TOUCH FAMINE VICTIMS
we dont know he didnt do that.. you assume he didnt ,

paraquoting someone doesnt make it fact..


sort of like you..


If someone tells you " dont touch that person , you will get sick and die and your not helping them.. would you help them ?

I didnt lay any guilt trip on you. you did it yourself.. You called someone who helped by letting us all know the problem an "utter bastard" yet you haven't done ANYTHING and your somehow better than him ? I think people in glass houses , shouldn't throw stones..

Lets list all the things carter did to save starving african children.

#1 ) he brought the images of suffering into the homes of america, undoubtedly helping spurn thousand of people to donate money, if thepicture is right or wrong is a moot point as you HAVE to agree his picture has HELPED

Now you list all the things you have done to save starving african children.

...

It sure didnt help Carter when he decided to gas himself to death because of it.

here is a great way to help...remove all their weapons and force sterilization....

Yet another idiot who can?t comprehend concept of ?GDP? and ?per capita?.

I will explain so that even a monkey like you can understand:

We have $1000 each you and me. There are poor people who need money/food. I give $500. You give $1. There are still poor people in need.
IF you also give $500 there are no more poor people.

I told you not to reply in the same thread where I am. For your own good. I can make you look stupid with just one word.

. . .

Per capita is irrelevant, you lied and say the United States gives least of all countries when in fact even with your "statistics that have no source" we are third overall of total aid givers.

Typical liberal. That is the only way in your mind that you win arguments by lying to yourself and to others. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

umm , ya ?

Not sure what your getting at..

Lots of people who do great things struggle from personal problems.

People who take on the undaunting task of trying to save/help people will often find themselves burdened with the fact they cant save everyone. I'm sure this isn't easy to live with.

If 10 people are drowning in a lake, and your on shore, you see a boat on the other side of the lake a few hundred yards away, you have a choice swim to save the victims or run to the boat first.. most likely in either scenario your not going to save everyone, and you will always be racked with guilt over why you didnt do one thing over another..

Its easy for someone sitting at home to say " he should have ran for the boat", but at least the guy did something.

In carters mind he likely thought , " i could run and try and save this one child" OR " i could take a picture that would save thousands of children"

And realistically , was he wrong in the end result ?

What do you think that childs chances were of living ? if he had run around africa his whole life trying to save children like that , how many could he have saved ? im just guessing here but perhaps a few hundred kids if he saved one every few days

Now how many children in actual numbers do you think have been saved due to donations as a DIRECT result of that picture ( i.e. people seeing the picture and donating money ) again im just guessing but likely thousands

So he saved thousands instead of saving hundreds , and you and i havent saved 1...

He was paid for the image dont act like he did it for humanitarian reasons lol.
The point is moot the dude took his life because he realized that during his stint as a photographer he forgot his morality, his last words even reflect that. Drop it Smokey the child is dead and the dude is dead.

Monkey, saying things like ?Per capita is irrelevant? makes you look stupid.

I will help you make an intelligent comment in trying to defend USA:

- Top donors per capita spend very little on national defence. They rely on USA to protect them and can give more in foreign aid.
- USA pays about 40% of the UN bureaucrats. Something that should be divided equally between all countries.
- Numbers above exclude money given by private donors like Bill Gates who is of course American.

Now, go read a book because I am tired of making you look stupid.

Haha more cut and paste self ownage by the bipolar wizard. Hey if you want to continue arguing with yourself Ill let you lol.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

< sarcasm >I think that the war for oil is much more important than saving these people from the warlords that are taking the food to feed thier army!< / sarcasm>

Obviously you are to dumb to make an intelligent comment on this topic. So let me ask you this (should be a better topic for you):

How does it feel to see USA lose yet another war?

Thats the spirit! America fuck yeah!

I didn?t even see your sig until now :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

?Global warming is a lie??????? Comedy never stops with you. You should have your own show. I would pay to see it.

The only war America has lost is the war on drugs, of which obviously you are a victim.

You know what they say hippie.. if you smoke enough of that shit, maybe your dreams will become reality.

That makes me want to hop in a plane and go over there to try an help :-( So sad.

No actually you are now back-peddling from your original point that you quoted my answer to when you attempted to draw a paralell between Carters failure to offer some assistance to the girl when there was clearly no immediate danger to him in doing so and the dangers facing firemen rescuing people from burning buildings. It's important to keep things in context when discussing individual circumstances, unless of course in your point of view the wisest course of action for firemen arriving at a burning building with people inside would be to wait around for 20 minutes to see what happens next ?

LOL, but you couldn't catch any of these by simply chasing the Vulture away and attempting to communicate with the girl could you ?

No actually Carter is very specific on this point when later it emerged that in hindsight he wished he had chased the Vulture away - or did you miss that part of his testimony ?

Yes it does when it comes from their own testimony of the events.

Grow up.

Yes I would by offering them what assistance I could given the circumstances rather that just waiting around idly as Carter clearly did.

Oh but you did my friend, and unless you can point out where I do I never called Carter an "utter bastard" for bringing the situation to the publics attention through his photography but for his refusal to act in any way to offer what immediate assistance he could to the little girl when it was within his power to do so. Remember context is very important here.

Undoubtedly so, but again you seem to have a problem with context and accuracy here. I stated my opinion on Carters choice not to offer any immediate assistance whatsoever when it was clearly within his power to do so in that one specific instance and not in the overall effectiveness of his media in general.

Remember it's not my actions that are being questioned here but those of Carter at the time the photograph was taken.

Am I a bad person for laughing at that pic?

splum, your just looking at a photo. this guy was in the thick of it, starving people/children everywhere, and this is the one photo out of all of the photographers pictures that makes this sort of impact

and if he had helped this particular girl rather than taking the photo, we would not be having this discussion right now

and furthermore, him taking that photo and the publication of it probably did more to positively impact those people than if he would have saved a thousand starving toddlers

yes, very bad

btw, your not a real guitarist unless you have a tele-phone

people have to make compromises with their values

for instance, if you went to visit that region and saw thousands of starving kids, you should make a committment to relocate there and spend the rest of your life helping, or in some other way give all you have to make an impact

but all i hear is you typing, i dont see you getting on a phone loaded with supplies for africa

very very very good post

damn...this is a really strong picture!!

karma is a pretty hippie ideology for you to be touting, isnt it?