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Splum 03-11-2007 01:39 PM

100 liberal hippies that gas themselves because they are pieces of shit

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Originally Posted by THEMASKEDRIDER (Post 12055757)
but all i hear is you typing, i dont see you getting on a phone loaded with supplies for africa

Lol you hear me typing? Damn that Patriot Act!
Hmm do you happen to know of a "phone loaded with supplies" that is headed to Africa this afternoon?

tenderobject 03-11-2007 01:41 PM

kinda sad.. i remember some people here bitching why people/american millionares didn't donate their shites to their own country but to 3rd world or poor people in africa. fuck that.

DarkJedi 03-11-2007 01:41 PM

I didn't read the whole thread, but I just wanted to let you know that the asshole photographer commited suicide couple of years later.

tenderobject 03-11-2007 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios (Post 12053259)
it's very easy to attack the guy.. especially now that he's dead.

But he would have seen and photographed millions of starving people - perhaps that changes you - how can we judge, we haven't seen the things he has.

It's easy to take the moral high ground and 'wonder how he left the girl there to die' - I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. Each year millions of people around the world starve to death. 4 million people have died as a result of genocide in the Congo. Millions more in the Sudan. I don't see anyone else rushing there to help. This guy did more with one picture to raise awareness of the situation in Africa than everyone on this board combined.

well said... :thumbsup

biskoppen 03-11-2007 01:51 PM

Where's the picture?

webmasterchecks 03-11-2007 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12055884)
100 liberal hippies that gas themselves because they are pieces of shit



Lol you hear me typing? Damn that Patriot Act!
Hmm do you happen to know of a "phone loaded with supplies" that is headed to Africa this afternoon?

whoops, doing a few things at once right now :)

plane loaded with supplies

tenderobject 03-11-2007 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 12054282)
:thumbsup

I bet if you were a photographer /journalist in africa and asked a dcotor what they would do if they were a photographer/journalist in the same situation, they would prob say the same thing.. You could drive around for 10 years straight picking up starving children about to be picked off by vultures and not put a dent in the problem (if you didnt die of disease first ) , but a picture of one can make a much bigger difference.

Its sort of ironic that many people can't see the correlation between that photo and the news reporters during hurricane katrina.. flying in air conditioned choppers to do interviews while people died inside the stadium and in hospitals. in terms of numbers its even more suprising , in africa the death from starvation is enormous , so its easy to see how little your intervention would help.. whereas during katrina , any of those reporters could have said " you know what , this story isn't important. saving people is, lets go save people"

i really like your thoughts smokey! :)

blazin 03-11-2007 03:10 PM

It must be said that a pic like this would make pull out my wallet immediately... maybe it helped people other than that poor child.

SmokeyTheBear 03-11-2007 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
No actually you are now back-peddling from your original point that you quoted my answer to when you attempted to draw a paralell

sounds like your the one doing the backpeddling

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
there was clearly no immediate danger to him

no danger excerpt possible death .. slight problem with that one..

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
It's important to keep things in context when discussing individual circumstances,

If a fires buring beyond control firefighters do not risk death to save the people inside.

As i have pointed out , they are told not to touch the famine victims for fear of catching disease, just as firefighters are told not to approach a fire without the proper gear. you cant see the correlation because you dont want to admit this guy did something while you do nothing


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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
unless of course in your point of view the wisest course of action for firemen arriving at a burning building with people inside would be to wait around for 20 minutes to see what happens next ?

you obviously dont know much about firefighting..

Thats exactly what they are supposed to do if a fire is beyond control and there is no equipment available.


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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)

LOL, but you couldn't catch any of these by simply chasing the Vulture away

vultures dont kill people.. they wait tilll your dead

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
No actually Carter is very specific on this point when later it emerged that in hindsight he wished he had chased the Vulture away - or did you miss that part of his testimony ?

i read it , you obviously didnt , you said and i quote

"From Carters own testimony "nothing" is exactly what he does."

So you quoted carter as saying the words "nothing" as his "testimony" , yet he never said that..

I find it strange you turn " i didnt chase a vulture away" into " i did nothing"

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
Yes it does when it comes from their own testimony of the events.

the testimony that you make up doesnt count.

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
Grow up.

lol dont get in all pissy just because i pointed out the hypocracy in you calling him a bastard for helping and you doing nothing..



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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
Yes I would by offering them what assistance I could given the circumstances rather that just waiting around idly as Carter clearly did.

So you say.. once again you dont know the whole story , he may have advised a doctor to come and pick the child up.. and he waited after being told NOT TO TOUCH THE FAMINE VICTIMS , did as he was told by rational doctors who know what they are talking about .


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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
Oh but you did my friend, and unless you can point out where I do I never called Carter an "utter bastard"

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
utter bastard

You called him an utter bastard , now your saying you were only referring to one particular thing lol , nice backpeddle.



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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
I stated my opinion on Carters choice not to offer any immediate assistance whatsoever

and i pointed out that you dont know he didnt, all we know is he didnt do more than he did. He chose to save thousands of children when he could have just saved one, you havent saved any and think its ok to call him an utter bastard for making that choice.

Besides the fact they are told NOT TO TOUCH THE FAMINE VICTIMS because of disease.
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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
when it was clearly within his power to do so in that one specific instance and not in the overall effectiveness of his media in general.

although against the advice of doctors and security officials who are standing beside you. much like a fireman telling you not to run into a burning building thats an inferno. everyone would regret not going in , but in hindsight it would have been a foolish risk




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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12055612)
Remember it's not my actions that are being questioned here but those of Carter at the time the photograph was taken.

um no i questioned your actions.. read up :) thats why were having this debate..

but hey im not trying to change your opinion , just pointing out its hyprocracy

baddog 03-11-2007 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12053281)
Actually the US government has given more money to Africa than all the nations of the world combined, and surprisingly enough the Bush adminstration has given more money than any other administration.

Pictures dont feed people.

We are AWARE of starvation, he wanted that shocking picture. He deserved to die just as painful as that little child died.

You really make some idiotic statements at times. How the fuck is he supposed to help every bad thing he sees? He is helping by taking the picture and making the world aware of it.

wizhard 03-11-2007 06:10 PM

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sounds like your the one doing the backpeddling
LOL, really , where exactly?

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no danger excerpt possible death .. slight problem with that one..
Really ? ......chasing the Vulture away would have possed what threat to Carter that gives you such a problem ?

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If a fires buring beyond control firefighters do not risk death to save the people inside.

As i have pointed out , they are told not to touch the famine victims for fear of catching disease, just as firefighters are told not to approach a fire without the proper gear. you cant see the correlation because you dont want to admit this guy did something while you do nothing
Like your moma said - look at the birdie - no immediate danger to Carter, no flames, no firefighters just him, the Vulture and the kid and Carters choice not to help her immediately.

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you obviously dont know much about firefighting..

Thats exactly what they are supposed to do if a fire is beyond control and there is no equipment available.

.


But look - no emaciated little girls and predators ready to eat them in your hero's senario - how supprising.

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vultures dont kill people.. they wait tilll your dead
Actually Vultures don't. They wait untill they are reasonably sure thier prey can offer no resitance to them before going in to feed. When they spread their wings it is simply to protect their prey from other airborne predators so in theory there is more meat for them.

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read it , you obviously didnt , you said and i quote

"From Carters own testimony "nothing" is exactly what he does."

So you quoted carter as saying the words "nothing" as his "testimony" , yet he never said that..

I find it strange you turn " i didnt chase a vulture away" into " i did nothing"
Elusadate please, you are making very little sense to me in this paragraph.

[QUOTEthe testimony that you make up doesnt count.][/QUOTE]

I didn't make it up - if you look more carefully at the evidence it came from Carters own testimony and even you may see it is actaully more based in hard fact.

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So you say.. once again you dont know the whole story , he may have advised a doctor to come and pick the child up.. and he waited after being told NOT TO TOUCH THE FAMINE VICTIMS , did as he was told by rational doctors who know what they are talking about .
Once again you are indulging in high speculation rather than fact.

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You called him an utter bastard , now your saying you were only referring to one particular thing lol , nice backpeddle.
Then let me make my possition so clear that even you can understand it - Carter was in a possition to help the kid - he chose to simply stand and stare - The act of a proper uncaring bastard. If you don't see that then I am truelly sorry for you.

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and i pointed out that you dont know he didnt, all we know is he didnt do more than he did. He chose to save thousands of children when he could have just saved one, you havent saved any and think its ok to call him an utter bastard for making that choice.

Besides the fact they are told NOT TO TOUCH THE FAMINE VICTIMS because of disease.
Do you have a reading & comprehension problem from Carters own testimony or are you just clutching at your own made up straws now ?

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although against the advice of doctors and security officials who are standing beside you. much like a fireman telling you not to run into a burning building thats an inferno. everyone would regret not going in , but in hindsight it would have been a foolish risk
Where are you attempting to take this thread now ? - there are in fact no firemen and no burning buildings anywhere in Carters original photograph or his testimony.

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um no i questioned your actions.. read up thats why were having this debate..

but hey im not trying to change your opinion , just pointing out its hyprocracy
Oh Really ?

Splum 03-11-2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12056634)
He is helping by taking the picture and making the world aware of it.

He helped so much he gassed himself to death. You nor I can be the judge of that his actions spoke louder than any words.

roger700 03-11-2007 07:39 PM

This plan is so strange!

nico-t 03-11-2007 08:15 PM

i cant see the pic...

SmokeyTheBear 03-11-2007 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)
Really ? ......chasing the Vulture away would have possed what threat to Carter

the vultures posed no threat , the girl walked away , what part of that dont you understand.. chasing away vultures does nothing.. so much for your great deed
:1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)
But look - no emaciated little girls and predators ready to eat them in your hero's senario - how supprising.

thats why its called an example not a recreation , not suprising you cant figure that out.



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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)

I didn't make it up - if you look more carefully at the evidence it came from Carters own testimony and even you may see it is actaully more based in hard fact.

lol "based on hard fact "

you said he said he did "nothing"

he didnt say that , thus you made it up..

isn't hard to figure out.

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)

Once again you are indulging in high speculation rather than fact.

unless you were there we are both speculating. Im just being realistic..
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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)
let me make my possition so clear that even my mom could figure it out - Carter was in a possition to help the kid - he chose to simply stand and stare -

unfortunately thats not what happened. in your made up theory thats what happened.. in reality , he saved thousand of kids who could be saved while you would have been running around chasing vultures getting diseases
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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)
The act of a proper uncaring bastard. If you don't see that then I am truelly sorry for you.

if you dont see the simple fact he saved more kids than you and you think that makes him an "utter bastard" and i suppose you somehow better than him.. then your not being rational.. Maybe your jealous he actually did something.


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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)
Do you have a reading & comprehension problem from Carters own testimony

the real testimony or the stuff you made up ?





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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)

Oh Really ?

yup read up..

SmokeyTheBear 03-11-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12056861)
- there are in fact no firemen and no burning buildings anywhere in Carters original photograph or his testimony.

lol did it take you this long to figure that out .:1orglaugh

p.s. there are no space aliens or flying pigs either.. just so you know

cones 03-11-2007 09:09 PM

Wizhard are you aware how many children were/are starving in Africa? You wouldn't ever stop picking up the starving kids! Lets not condemn a dead man we know nothing about. He was over there rasing awareness for the situation which is more than the vast majority of people have ever done for our fellow humans in Africa.

wizhard 03-11-2007 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 12057404)
the vultures posed no threat , the girl walked away , what part of that dont you understand.. chasing away vultures does nothing.. so much for your great deed
:1orglaugh


thats why its called an example not a recreation , not suprising you cant figure that out.





lol "based on hard fact "

you said he said he did "nothing"

he didnt say that , thus you made it up..

isn't hard to figure out.



unless you were there we are both speculating. Im just being realistic..


unfortunately thats not what happened. in your made up theory thats what happened.. in reality , he saved thousand of kids who could be saved while you would have been running around chasing vultures getting diseases


if you dont see the simple fact he saved more kids than you and you think that makes him an "utter bastard" and i suppose you somehow better than him.. then your not being rational.. Maybe your jealous he actually did something.




the real testimony or the stuff you made up ?







yup read up..


LOL, I really can't see the point of debating the issue raised in this thread with you any longer as most of what you have to say is either inaccurate, or completely out of context with the threads issue. LOL, you seem hell-bent on "stonewalling" regardless of what facts contrary to your opinions are presented to you.

LOL, LOL, you are a mule sir - goodbye. :winkwink:

Splum 03-11-2007 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12057801)
LOL, I really can't see the point of debating the issue raised in this thread with you any longer as most of what you have to say is either inaccurate, or completely out of context with the threads issue. LOL, you seem hell-bent on "stonewalling" regardless of what facts contrary to your opinions are presented to you. LOL, LOL, you are a mule sir - goodbye. :winkwink:

It isnt stonewalling its called "sig whoring" and he does it very well. :1orglaugh

wizhard 03-11-2007 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057806)
It isnt stonewalling its called "sig whoring" and he does it very well. :1orglaugh

LOL, well maybe so Splum but at least he made me chuckle towards the end. :winkwink:

And that is probably a bonus given this threads subject matter overall I would say.

wizhard 03-11-2007 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057806)
It isnt stonewalling its called "sig whoring" and he does it very well. :1orglaugh


As a footnote I really hope that wasn't his prime motivation for posting in this thread.

lalika 03-12-2007 12:04 AM

life suxx hard

Amadora 03-12-2007 07:05 AM

He should have helped the child.

Amadora 03-12-2007 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cones (Post 12057421)
Wizhard are you aware how many children were/are starving in Africa? You wouldn't ever stop picking up the starving kids! Lets not condemn a dead man we know nothing about. He was over there rasing awareness for the situation which is more than the vast majority of people have ever done for our fellow humans in Africa.

And that is good , that he raised the awareness of the situation in Africa.
But taking this pic and not helping at least one certaine child shows that the photographer had a cold heart and was only doing his job.

Tanya_AWP 03-12-2007 08:02 AM

Its sad to see the reality that picture shows..Most of us lash back and point blame...Truth is most of us wouldn't stop to take a dollar and share:Oh crap :Oh crap

C_U_Next_Tuesday 03-12-2007 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Amadora (Post 12058986)
He should have helped the child.

which one of hundreds of thousands of kids should he have helped again?..only the one in the picture?

Some of you keyboard stay at home fuckers sure do have alot of mouth and no common sense to back it up.

I swear some of you live in la la land. In an industry that spends millions of dollars entertaining at conventions several times a year..you pick on one photographer that isnt even alive anymore instead of standing up and doing something yourselves. Why not hit up all these millionaire sponsors to help with the famine children . Oh thats right, its easier to talk shit than to actually do something yourselves.

shekinah 03-12-2007 08:19 AM

He's just beaten by his conscience,I guess:(

SmokeyTheBear 03-12-2007 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12057801)
LOL, I really can't see the point of debating the issue raised in this thread with you any longer as most of what you have to say is either inaccurate, or completely out of context with the threads issue.

i gues thats why multiple people quoted what i said and agreed and nobody agreed with you so far :1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12057801)
LOL, you seem hell-bent on "stonewalling" regardless of what facts contrary to your opinions are presented to you.

you mean the facts you made up ?

Why beat around the bush ,you quoted carter as saying he said he did "nothing" , he never said that because you made it up..

You can try and convince yourself otherwise but anyone who can read can see you made it up


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Originally Posted by wizhard (Post 12057801)
LOL, LOL, you are a mule sir - goodbye. :winkwink:

:1orglaugh if you used one more "LOL" you might have been believable

The Real Sinatra 03-12-2007 10:02 AM

yikes.....reminder of how good we have it


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