Per capita is irrelevant, you lied and say the United States gives least of all countries when in fact even with your "statistics that have no source" we are third overall of total aid givers.

Typical liberal. That is the only way in your mind that you win arguments by lying to yourself and to others. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

umm , ya ?

Not sure what your getting at..

Lots of people who do great things struggle from personal problems.

People who take on the undaunting task of trying to save/help people will often find themselves burdened with the fact they cant save everyone. I'm sure this isn't easy to live with.

If 10 people are drowning in a lake, and your on shore, you see a boat on the other side of the lake a few hundred yards away, you have a choice swim to save the victims or run to the boat first.. most likely in either scenario your not going to save everyone, and you will always be racked with guilt over why you didnt do one thing over another..

Its easy for someone sitting at home to say " he should have ran for the boat", but at least the guy did something.

In carters mind he likely thought , " i could run and try and save this one child" OR " i could take a picture that would save thousands of children"

And realistically , was he wrong in the end result ?

What do you think that childs chances were of living ? if he had run around africa his whole life trying to save children like that , how many could he have saved ? im just guessing here but perhaps a few hundred kids if he saved one every few days

Now how many children in actual numbers do you think have been saved due to donations as a DIRECT result of that picture ( i.e. people seeing the picture and donating money ) again im just guessing but likely thousands

So he saved thousands instead of saving hundreds , and you and i havent saved 1...

He was paid for the image dont act like he did it for humanitarian reasons lol.
The point is moot the dude took his life because he realized that during his stint as a photographer he forgot his morality, his last words even reflect that. Drop it Smokey the child is dead and the dude is dead.

Monkey, saying things like ?Per capita is irrelevant? makes you look stupid.

I will help you make an intelligent comment in trying to defend USA:

- Top donors per capita spend very little on national defence. They rely on USA to protect them and can give more in foreign aid.
- USA pays about 40% of the UN bureaucrats. Something that should be divided equally between all countries.
- Numbers above exclude money given by private donors like Bill Gates who is of course American.

Now, go read a book because I am tired of making you look stupid.

Haha more cut and paste self ownage by the bipolar wizard. Hey if you want to continue arguing with yourself Ill let you lol.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

< sarcasm >I think that the war for oil is much more important than saving these people from the warlords that are taking the food to feed thier army!< / sarcasm>

Obviously you are to dumb to make an intelligent comment on this topic. So let me ask you this (should be a better topic for you):

How does it feel to see USA lose yet another war?

Thats the spirit! America fuck yeah!

I didn?t even see your sig until now :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

?Global warming is a lie??????? Comedy never stops with you. You should have your own show. I would pay to see it.

The only war America has lost is the war on drugs, of which obviously you are a victim.

You know what they say hippie.. if you smoke enough of that shit, maybe your dreams will become reality.

That makes me want to hop in a plane and go over there to try an help :-( So sad.

No actually you are now back-peddling from your original point that you quoted my answer to when you attempted to draw a paralell between Carters failure to offer some assistance to the girl when there was clearly no immediate danger to him in doing so and the dangers facing firemen rescuing people from burning buildings. It's important to keep things in context when discussing individual circumstances, unless of course in your point of view the wisest course of action for firemen arriving at a burning building with people inside would be to wait around for 20 minutes to see what happens next ?

LOL, but you couldn't catch any of these by simply chasing the Vulture away and attempting to communicate with the girl could you ?

No actually Carter is very specific on this point when later it emerged that in hindsight he wished he had chased the Vulture away - or did you miss that part of his testimony ?

Yes it does when it comes from their own testimony of the events.

Grow up.

Yes I would by offering them what assistance I could given the circumstances rather that just waiting around idly as Carter clearly did.

Oh but you did my friend, and unless you can point out where I do I never called Carter an "utter bastard" for bringing the situation to the publics attention through his photography but for his refusal to act in any way to offer what immediate assistance he could to the little girl when it was within his power to do so. Remember context is very important here.

Undoubtedly so, but again you seem to have a problem with context and accuracy here. I stated my opinion on Carters choice not to offer any immediate assistance whatsoever when it was clearly within his power to do so in that one specific instance and not in the overall effectiveness of his media in general.

Remember it's not my actions that are being questioned here but those of Carter at the time the photograph was taken.

Am I a bad person for laughing at that pic?

splum, your just looking at a photo. this guy was in the thick of it, starving people/children everywhere, and this is the one photo out of all of the photographers pictures that makes this sort of impact

and if he had helped this particular girl rather than taking the photo, we would not be having this discussion right now

and furthermore, him taking that photo and the publication of it probably did more to positively impact those people than if he would have saved a thousand starving toddlers

yes, very bad

btw, your not a real guitarist unless you have a tele-phone

people have to make compromises with their values

for instance, if you went to visit that region and saw thousands of starving kids, you should make a committment to relocate there and spend the rest of your life helping, or in some other way give all you have to make an impact

but all i hear is you typing, i dont see you getting on a phone loaded with supplies for africa

very very very good post

damn...this is a really strong picture!!

karma is a pretty hippie ideology for you to be touting, isnt it?

100 liberal hippies that gas themselves because they are pieces of shit

Lol you hear me typing? Damn that Patriot Act!
Hmm do you happen to know of a "phone loaded with supplies" that is headed to Africa this afternoon?

kinda sad.. i remember some people here bitching why people/american millionares didn't donate their shites to their own country but to 3rd world or poor people in africa. fuck that.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I just wanted to let you know that the asshole photographer commited suicide couple of years later.

well said... :thumbsup

Where's the picture?

whoops, doing a few things at once right now :)

plane loaded with supplies

i really like your thoughts smokey! :)

It must be said that a pic like this would make pull out my wallet immediately... maybe it helped people other than that poor child.

sounds like your the one doing the backpeddling

no danger excerpt possible death .. slight problem with that one..

If a fires buring beyond control firefighters do not risk death to save the people inside.

As i have pointed out , they are told not to touch the famine victims for fear of catching disease, just as firefighters are told not to approach a fire without the proper gear. you cant see the correlation because you dont want to admit this guy did something while you do nothing


you obviously dont know much about firefighting..

Thats exactly what they are supposed to do if a fire is beyond control and there is no equipment available.


vultures dont kill people.. they wait tilll your dead

i read it , you obviously didnt , you said and i quote

"From Carters own testimony "nothing" is exactly what he does."

So you quoted carter as saying the words "nothing" as his "testimony" , yet he never said that..

I find it strange you turn " i didnt chase a vulture away" into " i did nothing"

the testimony that you make up doesnt count.

lol dont get in all pissy just because i pointed out the hypocracy in you calling him a bastard for helping and you doing nothing..



So you say.. once again you dont know the whole story , he may have advised a doctor to come and pick the child up.. and he waited after being told NOT TO TOUCH THE FAMINE VICTIMS , did as he was told by rational doctors who know what they are talking about .


You called him an utter bastard , now your saying you were only referring to one particular thing lol , nice backpeddle.



and i pointed out that you dont know he didnt, all we know is he didnt do more than he did. He chose to save thousands of children when he could have just saved one, you havent saved any and think its ok to call him an utter bastard for making that choice.

Besides the fact they are told NOT TO TOUCH THE FAMINE VICTIMS because of disease.
although against the advice of doctors and security officials who are standing beside you. much like a fireman telling you not to run into a burning building thats an inferno. everyone would regret not going in , but in hindsight it would have been a foolish risk




um no i questioned your actions.. read up :) thats why were having this debate..

but hey im not trying to change your opinion , just pointing out its hyprocracy

You really make some idiotic statements at times. How the fuck is he supposed to help every bad thing he sees? He is helping by taking the picture and making the world aware of it.

LOL, really , where exactly?

Really ? ......chasing the Vulture away would have possed what threat to Carter that gives you such a problem ?

Like your moma said - look at the birdie - no immediate danger to Carter, no flames, no firefighters just him, the Vulture and the kid and Carters choice not to help her immediately.

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But look - no emaciated little girls and predators ready to eat them in your hero's senario - how supprising.

Actually Vultures don't. They wait untill they are reasonably sure thier prey can offer no resitance to them before going in to feed. When they spread their wings it is simply to protect their prey from other airborne predators so in theory there is more meat for them.

Elusadate please, you are making very little sense to me in this paragraph.

[QUOTEthe testimony that you make up doesnt count.][/QUOTE]

I didn't make it up - if you look more carefully at the evidence it came from Carters own testimony and even you may see it is actaully more based in hard fact.

Once again you are indulging in high speculation rather than fact.

Then let me make my possition so clear that even you can understand it - Carter was in a possition to help the kid - he chose to simply stand and stare - The act of a proper uncaring bastard. If you don't see that then I am truelly sorry for you.

Do you have a reading & comprehension problem from Carters own testimony or are you just clutching at your own made up straws now ?

Where are you attempting to take this thread now ? - there are in fact no firemen and no burning buildings anywhere in Carters original photograph or his testimony.

Oh Really ?

He helped so much he gassed himself to death. You nor I can be the judge of that his actions spoke louder than any words.

This plan is so strange!

i cant see the pic...

the vultures posed no threat , the girl walked away , what part of that dont you understand.. chasing away vultures does nothing.. so much for your great deed
:1orglaugh
thats why its called an example not a recreation , not suprising you cant figure that out.



lol "based on hard fact "

you said he said he did "nothing"

he didnt say that , thus you made it up..

isn't hard to figure out.

unless you were there we are both speculating. Im just being realistic..
unfortunately thats not what happened. in your made up theory thats what happened.. in reality , he saved thousand of kids who could be saved while you would have been running around chasing vultures getting diseases
if you dont see the simple fact he saved more kids than you and you think that makes him an "utter bastard" and i suppose you somehow better than him.. then your not being rational.. Maybe your jealous he actually did something.


the real testimony or the stuff you made up ?





yup read up..

lol did it take you this long to figure that out .:1orglaugh

p.s. there are no space aliens or flying pigs either.. just so you know

Wizhard are you aware how many children were/are starving in Africa? You wouldn't ever stop picking up the starving kids! Lets not condemn a dead man we know nothing about. He was over there rasing awareness for the situation which is more than the vast majority of people have ever done for our fellow humans in Africa.

LOL, I really can't see the point of debating the issue raised in this thread with you any longer as most of what you have to say is either inaccurate, or completely out of context with the threads issue. LOL, you seem hell-bent on "stonewalling" regardless of what facts contrary to your opinions are presented to you.

LOL, LOL, you are a mule sir - goodbye. :winkwink:

It isnt stonewalling its called "sig whoring" and he does it very well. :1orglaugh

LOL, well maybe so Splum but at least he made me chuckle towards the end. :winkwink:

And that is probably a bonus given this threads subject matter overall I would say.