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KrisKross 03-11-2007 05:07 PM

100 conspiracy theories.

uno 03-11-2007 05:23 PM

I love when people pretend there's some debate on topics like global warming or intelligent design where one doesn't actually exist.

Sly 03-11-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chodadog (Post 12056472)
And the clean coal technology which is leading the pack is coal gasification. GE And Bechtel are working on coal gasification together. When those two companies start working together, it's time to take notice. Bechtel have said that a new plant using coal gasification would cost $975 million compared to a conventional plant which would cost about $780 million.

GE has a few commercials out now pushing new projects they're doing. Water purification, green energy, etc. Amazing how many different things GE is involved with.

I'm afraid I don't know Bechtel, is it a big AU company or has my head been in the sand?

KrisKross 03-11-2007 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12056696)
GE has a few commercials out now pushing new projects they're doing. Water purification, green energy, etc. Amazing how many different things GE is involved with.

I'm afraid I don't know Bechtel, is it a big AU company or has my head been in the sand?

Apparently, it's America's largest engineering company. I've never heard of it either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechtel_Corporation

myboringlife 03-11-2007 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12056696)
Amazing how many different things GE is involved with.

Yeah, like dumping tons of polychlorinated biphenyls into the Hudson River.

chodadog 03-11-2007 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12056696)
GE has a few commercials out now pushing new projects they're doing. Water purification, green energy, etc. Amazing how many different things GE is involved with.

I'm afraid I don't know Bechtel, is it a big AU company or has my head been in the sand?

GE is involved in just about everything. Aviation, high finances, health, consumer finances, televisoin (they own NBC). Chances are, they've got something to do with whatever credit card you use too.

Bechtel are one of the world's largest engineering firms. My father has worked several contracts with them over the years.

starpimps 03-11-2007 06:05 PM

the way i see it all this "global warming" business is just screaming $$$ opportunity for a lot of entrepreneurs.
regardless if its true or not theres a good chunk of money to be made in any sector that can pull of a "envio friendly" "tree loving" ad campaign for their product.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12055911)
Just click on my sig to watch a movie that was made by REAL scientists who have no fiscal stake.

The guy who made the documentary also made one a few years back saying silicone breast implants reduce the risk of cancer. :upsidedow

INever 03-11-2007 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12055234)
I personally dont believe humans contribute that much to global warming, global warming and cooling is a cyclic event.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...11497638&hl=en

On this, we agree.

Splum 03-11-2007 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12056890)
The guy who made the documentary also made one a few years back saying silicone breast implants reduce the risk of cancer. :upsidedow

Please cite sources.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057376)
Please cite sources.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...181798,00.html

The guy made the documentary, ignored scientists who gave him contradicting evidence, and took quotes out of context (for which the station apologized for).

Sounds like the guy you want to get your "scientific facts" from. :winkwink:

Splum 03-11-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12057464)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...181798,00.html

The guy made the documentary, ignored scientists who gave him contradicting evidence, and took quotes out of context (for which the station apologized for).

Sounds like the guy you want to get your "scientific facts" from. :winkwink:

You are fucking kidding me you just linked to The Guardian news commentary column. You do realize it is one of the most liberal "news" outlets in the world dont you? Thats like me using a FOX news EDITORIAL link to get my point across. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

PS there are facts outside of your little liberal bubble

If you doubt how liberal that rag is check this out: http://www.reportingwars.com/guardian_bbc.php

stickyfingerz 03-11-2007 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12057464)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...181798,00.html

The guy made the documentary, ignored scientists who gave him contradicting evidence, and took quotes out of context (for which the station apologized for).

Sounds like the guy you want to get your "scientific facts" from. :winkwink:

As I recall they just legalized silicon breast implants again.

uno 03-11-2007 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12057493)
As I recall they just legalized silicon breast implants again.

I'm pretty sure they did, but with some improvements, no?

KrisKross 03-11-2007 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057476)
You are fucking kidding me you just linked to The Guardian news commentary column. You do realize it is one of the most liberal "news" outlets in the world dont you? Thats like me using a FOX news EDITORIAL link to get my point across. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

PS there are facts outside of your little liberal bubble

If you doubt how liberal that rag is check this out: http://www.reportingwars.com/guardian_bbc.php

Wow. You're really dense, aren't you? Commentary or not, it's referring to an existing documentary. Or are you insinuating that The Guardian lied about the content of Durkin's documentary?

The guy has a history of misrepresenting the people he quotes as well as more or less straight out fabricating stories and representing them as fact.

http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2326210.ece

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Martin Durkin, for his part, achieved notoriety when his previous series on the environment for the channel, called Against Nature , was roundly condemned by the Independent Television Commission for misleading contributors on the purpose of the programmes, and for editing four interviewees in a way that "distorted or mispresented their known views".

Channel 4 was forced to issue a humiliating apology. But it seems to have forgiven Mr Durkin and sees no need to make special checks on the accuracy of the programme. For his part, the film-maker accepts the charge of misleading contributors, but describes the verdict of distortion as "complete tosh."
http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2347526.ece

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It was the television programme that set out to show that most of the world's climate scientists are misleading us when they say humanity is heating up the Earth by emitting carbon dioxide. And The Great Global Warming Swindle, screened by Channel 4 on Thursday night, convinced many viewers that it is indeed untrue that the gas is to blame for global warming.

But now the programme - and the channel - is facing a serious challenge to its own credibility after one of the most distinguished scientists that it featured said his views had been "grossly distorted" by the film, and made it clear that he believed human pollution did warm the climate.

Professor Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology said he had been "completely misrepresented" by the programme, and "totally misled" on its content. He added that he is considering making a formal complaint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_...on_director%29

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The 1998 documentary on breast implants was shown on Channel 4 only after it had been rejected for broadcast by the BBC whose in-house researcher concluded that Durkin had ignored a large body of evidence contradicting his claims in the program.
Yeah, this Durkin fellow sounds exactly like the type of guy I'd have no trouble believing. He's also not a scientist, as you claimed earlier.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057476)
You are fucking kidding me you just linked to The Guardian news commentary column. You do realize it is one of the most liberal "news" outlets in the world dont you? Thats like me using a FOX news EDITORIAL link to get my point across. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

PS there are facts outside of your little liberal bubble

If you doubt how liberal that rag is check this out: http://www.reportingwars.com/guardian_bbc.php

Are you trying to argue that the documentary was never made?

Here is the actual program the show was shot for:

http://equinox.virtek.com/Equinox-Pr...in+a+dcup.html

Here is a chat on the television stations website with the director:

http://www.channel4.com/community/sh...n_a_D-Cup.html

Here is his own production company taking credit for it:

http://www.wagtv.com/acatalog/About_Wag.html

Here are some other sites that discuss it:

http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/title/625540
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_...on_director%29

Are you seriously going to deny he made it now?

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12057493)
As I recall they just legalized silicon breast implants again.

They don't lower the risk of cancer.

stickyfingerz 03-11-2007 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by uno (Post 12057498)
I'm pretty sure they did, but with some improvements, no?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...e_x.htm?csp=34

myboringlife 03-11-2007 09:45 PM

yeah, they are legal again

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12057525)

I saw a special on that and the guy who sued all the breast implant companies and basically put them out of business years ago. Turns out that although some of the breast implants caused problems, he was suing these companies for everything and winning. They basically portrayed him to be a scumbag who shut down businesses, made millions, all off of a lie.

Splum 03-11-2007 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12057518)
Are you seriously going to deny he made it now?

Who said I denied everything? I said the reports against him are suspect because they come from BIASED SOURCES.

uno 03-11-2007 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12057525)

Thanks...

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Last year, the FDA told both companies their implants could be approved once they met additional, undisclosed conditions.

Splum 03-11-2007 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12057518)

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The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page.
This article has been tagged since March 2007.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057538)
Who said I denied everything? I said the reports against him are suspect because they come from BIASED SOURCES.

He ran a documentary on TV stating that breast implants reduce cancer. I don't know how you couldn't come to the conclusion that he is a kook right there.

KrisKross 03-11-2007 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057538)
Who said I denied everything? I said the reports against him are suspect because they come from BIASED SOURCES.

Biased sources, such as the same scientist he featured in his documentary?

Besides, regardless of the sources, the fact still remains that he claimed implants reduce cancer risks. That's obvious bullshit right there.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057543)
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It was one of 5 sources to show you that he made that documentary since you asked for sources. Throw that one out and you still have the TV station, the science program, and his own production company claiming he did it.

Splum 03-11-2007 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross (Post 12057549)
Biased sources, such as the same scientist he featured in his documentary?

There are many scientists in his documentary, the raw data speaks for itself anyways.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross (Post 12057549)
Biased sources, such as the same scientist he featured in his documentary?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Splum 03-11-2007 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12057557)
It was one of 5 sources to show you that he made that documentary since you asked for sources. Throw that one out and you still have the TV station, the science program, and his own production company claiming he did it.

You dont listen well do you liberal puke?
I never said he didnt make that program lol. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

stickyfingerz 03-11-2007 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno (Post 12057542)
Thanks...

Dont be cherry pickin biatch hehe.... Ok now I will

Quote:

Since then, most studies have failed to find a link between silicone breast implants and disease.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057564)
You dont listen well do you liberal puke?
I never said he didnt make that program lol. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I said he produced the documentary. You said to cite sources. I cited one and you said it was a bad source and couldn't be trusted. So I cited 5 others.

Scroll up, it's right there. If you didn't say he didn't make the program, why did you ask for so many sources to prove he did?

I am not a liberal by any means. I just don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and repeat everything he says. :)

uno 03-11-2007 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12057565)
Dont be cherry pickin biatch hehe.... Ok now I will

Studies or not, the FDA still requested undisclosed improvements before reallowing them. :upsidedow

Splum 03-11-2007 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12057571)
I am not a liberal by any means.

If you believe humans are the cause of global warming you are worse than a liberal you are an idiot.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057576)
If you believe humans are the cause of global warming you are worse than a liberal you are an idiot.

I never said I believe humans are the cause of global warming. I just said I don't take everything Sean Hannity says and post it on GFY.

Porn Farmer 03-11-2007 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057538)
Who said I denied everything? I said the reports against him are suspect because they come from BIASED SOURCES.

So what's an unbiased source, genius? :1orglaugh

uno 03-11-2007 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057576)
If you believe humans are the cause of global warming you are worse than a liberal you are an idiot.

How bout humans being a contributor?

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by uno (Post 12057597)
How bout humans being a contributor?

I don't think Limbaugh went over that today, he'll have to get back to you.

uno 03-11-2007 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12057604)
I don't think Limbaugh went over that today, he'll have to get back to you.

Does he broadcast on Sundays?

Splum 03-11-2007 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by uno (Post 12057597)
How bout humans being a contributor?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
Quote:

The earth has experienced natural global warming and cooling many times in the past. The recent Antarctic EPICA ice core spans 800,000 years, including eight glacial cycles with interglacial warming periods much hotter than current temperatures. The chart also shows the time of the last glacial maximum about 20,000 years ago.
I am sure those cavemen factories really contributed to the rise back then.

uno 03-11-2007 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057613)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming


I am sure those cavemen factories really contributed to the rise back then.

So humans have had 0 effect?

Splum 03-11-2007 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno (Post 12057636)
So humans have had 0 effect?

Humans have had a negligible effect on the cyclic patterns of global warming at best. Do you even know WHAT has caused these patterns of hot and cold?

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057642)
Humans have had a negligible effect on the cyclic patterns of global warming at best. Do you even know WHAT has caused these patterns of hot and cold?

Why are so many scientists saying humans are having an effect? I mean there were thousands in that one report.

DaddyHalbucks 03-11-2007 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12055234)
I personally dont believe humans contribute that much to global warming, global warming and cooling is a cyclic event.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...11497638&hl=en


What he said.

Many scientists agree.

GrouchyAdmin 03-11-2007 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12055180)
A friend of mine ran a blog that had news and information that discredited global warming. Within weeks after it had started to become popular by being featured on Digg and other social sites Google canned his adsense account with NO email notice.

Yep, they closed my account too - all I had it running on was a personal blog/software site, and an image host. Their reasoning was "Click Fraud."

Yeah, Google, that's why it took me over a year to hit payout.. those $0.03/day stats.

uno 03-11-2007 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 12057656)
What he said.

Many scientists agree.

by many, you mean a vast minority right?

uno 03-11-2007 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by toonpornblog (Post 12057658)
Yep, they closed my account too - all I had it running on was a personal blog/software site, and an image host. Their reasoning was "Click Fraud."

Yeah, Google, that's why it took me over a year to hit payout.. those $0.03/day stats.

You must have shitty, non-productive traffic.

GrouchyAdmin 03-11-2007 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by uno (Post 12057667)
You must have shitty, non-productive traffic.

Yeah. I opted not to violate their TOS. Silly me.

pocketkangaroo 03-11-2007 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by toonpornblog (Post 12057673)
Yeah. I opted not to violate their TOS. Silly me.

Do you really think they shut down your account because of a political view yet hid it as click fraud?

KrisKross 03-11-2007 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12057559)
There are many scientists in his documentary, the raw data speaks for itself anyways.

Right, the misconstrued data in his report outweighs decades of research proving otherwise.

Are you just playing the devil's advocate or do you have a crush on Durkin?

uno 03-11-2007 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by toonpornblog (Post 12057673)
Yeah. I opted not to violate their TOS. Silly me.

Or you must suck at placing ads or a whole host of other reasons.


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