if they didnt make money off of giving it away , it would make 85 percent of it go away. Thats the point foster brooks lol

I will be with my friend Hillary - Madam President :)

You are a better person than most ... including myself. AFF states in their TOS that they have the right to close an account if it stops sending traffic.
I assume most people are on the percentage program and would not risk losing their recurring income from this. Were you on their recurring or PPS program?

Like I said, it's a matter of morals and ethics. You have yours, I have mine. I simply choose not to do business with a company that admits to stealing from people I do business with and people who are friends of mine.

I was recurring. But my recurring dried up long before this drama. In fact, probably even before Lars was at AFF. I never sent much traffic to AFF because there's stuff out there that converts better.

It doesnt sound like you had a lot riding on your ethics. Please dont get me wrong, I totally understand where you are coming from. My point was that out of all the keyboard warriors that post here huffing and puffing about AFF, I doubt that many of them do anything other than jump on the bandwagon for sig placement.

where's Batts? Oh wait, its not his battle!

whinny bitch who still makes a lot of money if that counts for anything.

yeah and I wonder how much he has made off of your customers....


Think about it, spyware is rampit on p2p, hell even bear share makes you download zango before you can use it. You sell traffic to people who Lars steals it from by using zango. But yet because he spends 7 figures with you you think he is top notch and the fact he steals should be forgotten because he spends so much money with YOU.

He has never made me a penny. He has cost me money though. Why the fuck should i care if he had made you money, what does that have to do with anything. You make a blanket statement that doesn't apply to very many people.

Sad, your whole post could have been summed up with SO DH, do you think your customers make less than they could because some of the traffic you sell them is intercepted by spyware.

honest question.

birds of a feather, stench of a skunk, how does that saying go.... :1orglaugh

On a more serious note, I was wonder if DH has that pic from three years ago with my wife and the Joey Fatone guy.. Now a superstar on dancing with the stars!!

Post it sometime on my myspace page negro!

hey jace sounds like you are not a member of the Bros club. I know the feeling my application has been rejected so many times i can't count. It seems i don't make any programs here money, i don't provide them with a service, and dont throw parties, kiss ass, or buy drinks. I am as outsider (and not cool) as you can get.

Anyway, if you want to join the good guys club let me know. :winkwink:

What a fucking moron.

What a fucking moron.

one more time, what a fucking moron.
so because he threw parties and ran contest and sponsored functions you think that offsets stealing from everyone here ?

What a fucking dumb ass thing to say and to think for that matter.


LIKE ? please do share. Who that posts on GFY is doing worse than what AFF does. Their sites have tons of stolen content, using scumware to steal sales, they allow people on password trading sites to promote them....

Name 1 person who posts on GFY that does worse than them.... please share.

AFF are corporate assholes now...

I move that Sleazy remove their Ambush Interviews...

Ohh wait... Sleazy is corporate too...

Well, I guess he is perfect for the state of the industry then.

Give this man 30 silver pieces and he will give you Jesus of Nazareth!

Oh lord.......

While it's commendable to want to defend one's friend, there are some instances when you'd be doing that friend a far bigger service by telling him that what he is doing is wrong. It's also nice to speak up about the money you've made from that friend, but so too is it obvious that we'd all be making a lot MORE money if that friend and others like him weren't supporting those that steal cash directly out of our pockets. Anyone that truly understands the Zango business model would know this and agree.

Maybe those defending their old friend and their wonderful client with deep pockets are the true whiners here, if there has to be whiners at all that is. The malodorous stench of asskissing is certainly present. For it is they who choose to ignore the theft that is going on right under their own noses and instead throw ridicule and insults at those who are merely voicing their protest against said thievery, or to use an even better word... scumbaggery, all the while praising the thieves as being captains of the industry and buyers of many drinks and much partying. Incredible, yet incredibly transparent.

Yes, it becomes scumbaggery when your old friend, that great guy who has spent gazillions with you on advertising or sent cheques to you that only a large dumptruck could carry, chooses to support companies that by their very nature steal from all of us (including you), all the while basically laughing it off and ignoring the concerns of affiliates.

I'm not singling anyone out in particular but I would hazard a guess that Lars takes the lion's share of the heat because the company he represents is at the top of the heap as being named one of the worst offenders of supporting the zangos of the world. There are certainly others who are on that offenders list with him... http://www.zangoblacklist.com/

That being said, I'm sure of two things: the seminar will be packed.

And life will go on.

You're mistaken. There's only a couple of theives still left from the old days bitter about me outing them as thieves.:1orglaugh

Wow what a thread.

Just wanted to put my 2c in here. With re to wizzo's standpoint, has anyone thought that just maybe they've put out their content on these sites? His stance on it suggests to me that it's just a form of branding for them.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh ....that could work if it wasnt for the fact AFF is well aware of some of the torrent/nfo/content leeching sites that push them for months!

Talk about being a hypocrite.
Why do you even waste your time bashing Lars when you support
a company that deals with Zango ?

Ultrapasswords is 100% sponsor driven.
Those passwords come directly from the sponsor
they are beefed up tours and sometimes 'real' members area that sell the SHIT out of stuff

so ultrapasswords is really not providing "stolen" passwords

the couple hundred we spend on submit passes isnt funding anything one way or another also dh is not part of our industry.

Huh??! I guess this comes from the same logic that because I have free sites, I'm not part of the industry I've been making very good money (more than you, per your posts) in for 10 years, lol.

Wiredguy and RichC - free sites - part of industry or not? Shemp and Sleazy? Just curious what you consider "part of our industry". If you have to shoot content then most of the affiliate programs aren't part of "our" industry either.

Please explain.

Stay tuned for our next thrilling episode: "Thieves, and the Suckups Who Love Them"

DH is a reseller of traffic, he doesn't actually make anything besides the little movies they put on p2p.

and listen up newbies, the old schoolers have spoken. steal, steal lie and stea some morel and then lie about it. thats the way to the top, oh and be friends with people who make you money...which aren't real friends at all but hey, as long as you get yours.

Now that made me crack up....:1orglaugh

I love these threads. Always making it easier to choose who to not work with.

hmm i didnt know that. interesting.
nice indeed :S

Maybe so... but The State of the Industry is not about traffic secrets and I enjoyed last years seminar. Some panels about traffic and building free sites offer some very basic information though which I feel is for new comers.

If nobody complains about what somebody does, then the abusers will just abuse more.

Brad, you're smart guy and always full of useful information! Let's get rich yo! :upsidedow

Peaches you have officially become boring, your on ignore have a nice life.

i'm not part of the industry either according to Tony.

:1orglaugh

Fight the card carrying!

Obviously you don't own any paysites. One of mine recently showed up on Ultrapasswords. I didn't give it to them. So your "100%" claim holds absolutely NO water.

WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!! hehe

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Well, I'd rather be a part of YOUR industry any day :)

You like to help but your not, you dont sell porn(affiliates) or produce it.xxx,2257 dont effect your life one way or another.I think if neither of those really effect your way of life its pretty safe to say your not in the industry. Peaches knew what I was talking about.

well, you are INVOLVED with our industry, but you are not a direct player, so, technically you aren't a part of it

i need to register ThePeachesIgnoreClub.com, LOL, my icq was lit up when I fired up Trillian today....it is funny how many people are finally starting to see the crazy that she is

Confucy2, paging Confucy2

So per Tony and Jace, processors and hosts aren't part of "the industry" either. Only if you shoot your own content and/or have a paysite. Brilliant. Just BRILLIANT :)

OK, I'm part of THE OTHER industry. It includes free sites, TGP/MGPs, affiliate programs, photogs, processors, hosts, etc. And Brandon and DH ;)

did peaches mention her free sites again?

saddest thing i've read on this board :2 cents:

We all choose the level of ethics we wish to incorporate into our own businesses, and judging by some of your past posts I've read I would hazard a guess that you have a bit more moral fiber than you sometimes let on. I'm sorry but I 100% disagree with your above statement. If that were true I would not have stayed in this business 9 seconds let alone 9 years.

There are plenty of individuals in our community whom I have enjoyed doing business with, I wouldn't hesitate to invite most of them into my home or spend time socializing with. I would not be saying that if I thought everyone was basically a thief devoid of any ethics or moral compass.

Your rationale is flawed I'm afraid. You were attempting to say that it takes a thief to succeed big in adult, in attempts of basically saying that what Lars is doing is okay because that's the way things are done. So everyone should leave the guy alone for that reason.... but I'm sorry, it just doesn't wash. There are simply too many examples of successful people who aren't screwing everyone they can to get ahead and stay ahead, and I for one am thankful for that.

i corrected myself a few posts later, after my internet friend tony404 called me out on that. there are good people in adult. its the cocksuckers that i'm fed up with that i so briefly allowed to take over my state of mind. for that i apologize. your post is on the money. 7 years in this biz, the bad shit can easily appear to override the good people.

for the second time. my apologies to those of you that are not lying, stealing, unethical cock smokers that will steal your moms last breath of air to live longer. there are many of you out there that deserve my respect.

better? :)

and you're right, i've got a lot of ethics and heart. thank you for noticing. :)

Not only is that patently true - all anyone needs do is look around outside and even inside our industry - but promoting the idea that the reality is different is only the beginning of how foolish many in this business are. I don't know... it's almost as if some people want to believe this is a bad-boys industry, so that their being part of it makes them cool or whatever.

If someone is unethical and/or doesn't care about others' ethics, then - for example - he might not have an issue about sitting with a bunch of sponsors and having a good laugh over how affiliates get screwed.

But Lars is doing at least as much damage to other sponsors as to affiliates: a heck of a lot more if you relate the percentage of traffic "Zango'd" to their turnover. The content-theft sites that AFF helps monetize, for sure maybe they generate a few type-in sales. But is anyone really stupid enough to believe that number is greater than the number of sales being lost because all this member-area content is floating around?

It's not only a nonsense to claim this industry is made up of unethical people, but we make ourselves look even more foolish by letting those who are and who prey on the rest of us be a part of our industry. "A part" in the sense that they can advertise on boards, they are welcomed at shows. They are invited to speak on panels!

How stupid is that? If you get burglarized, are you going to invite the burglar round for tea?

I guess I see it differently: If I was posting every few days how much I hated Lars and everything he stood for with a vengance, I would WELCOME having a "Come to Jesus" talk with him in a public place in a room full of my peers. Would I invite a burglar over for tea? No, but I'd sure enjoy interogating the hell out of him in front of my friends and fellow neighbors. :)

i hope with your mathematics you don't do the accounting at MM :1orglaugh

i see your anti-racist workshop does not work too well :1orglaugh

For the record I don't harbor any hate for Lars. From what I've come to know of him he's a pretty fun guy to be around, and a very personable fellow. Beyond his stance on zango and a few of his business practices I have no problem with him at all.

Hate doesn't factor into it.


Hopefully a few people at that seminar will choose to speak up and take him to task, I guess we'll soon see.

some people need to read threads before posting. they do take turns. meow.