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BusterBunny 03-22-2007 01:58 AM
100.....

Juicy D. Links 03-22-2007 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12128072)
that is bullshit and most people don't get it. If this is just " some b.s." board then why do people promote their business here? Why do people advertise here, paid, sigs, or just start threads about their services... Obviously a lot of people, in one form or another, do business here. This is the " conference room" of a traditional business. This is where a lot of people do their business.

So you have some people here who act like total jackasses on messageboards but relly on them for a good portion of the business.

So how am I suppose to judge someone, by the way they act when they are in the place where they do a lot of their business or the way they act when they are buying me drinks just bullshitting with me at a party. :upsidedow

Will i miss u

V_RocKs 03-22-2007 03:02 AM
So you don't like Juicy or KB I take it?

Peaches 03-22-2007 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 12127233)
i love carrots. theres alot of bullshit in this thread now.
Tell it. :1orglaugh

OK, I realized everyone might not be as old as me, and thought I was asking A1R3K to actually "tell it" when it's just an old saying that means "you're 100&#37; correct ;) I would never ask anyone to name names on a board - that's what person to person is for :)

12clicks 03-22-2007 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroChick (Post 12127590)
Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.:thumbsup
here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100&#37; of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.

Juicy D. Links 03-22-2007 06:24 AM
Ill brand anything and evrything , if ya want lmk.....

Juicy D. Links 03-22-2007 06:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12128841)
here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100% of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.

12 you are invited to the JDL Phx Forum invite only orgy

12clicks 03-22-2007 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12128863)
12 you are invited to the JDL Phx Forum invite only orgy
if its man/man love I'm all over it.

Juicy D. Links 03-22-2007 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12128875)
if its man/man love I'm all over it.
we will have middgets also

LAJ 03-22-2007 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroChick (Post 12127590)
Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.:thumbsup
All panel decisions were the decisions of the Phoenix forum. You'd need to take it up with them regarding who they invited to speak.

LAJ 03-22-2007 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 12127452)
Thing is, my post comes off as arrogant but if you read it, I really am just giving what I see as an honest assessment of the situation. I harbor no ill will towards anyone?s style. I really believe in ?to each their own.? If I hadn?t been placed on this seminar, I never would have replied to this thread.

Jay, I do appreciate your saying I would be a good person for this seminar. However, technically, I work on the production side of Weg. I don?t really do the marketing. My marketing post are usually based on something I just pushed into the system on our adult side.

As far as people disagreeing with me, the only point of contention that stands out to me is the prefaced-brand name. It has all been respectful and professional. That is all good with me. I am honest on the boards; I will be honest in person. I sincerely want to help.

One thing I can comment on that I feel would be productive is our marketing history. I will shoot you straight on successes and failures Weg has been a part of (or more precisely, what I think works and doesn?t work). I would also be interested in the same from the other panelist (all of which are more qualified than I am for this).

Thanks for having me though. I think it will be a nice and productive gathering.
Sure thing Cory...

And For everyone... I just want to once again state for the record, I had NOTHING to do with the selection of panelists for this panel... CCBill / Phoenix Forum execs did that. Personally if I had any control over who got to be on this panel I would have selected differently.

Peaches 03-22-2007 07:36 AM
I missed all the Toastmasters meetings we were supposed to attend when I was with MCI so I HATE talking in front of a room full of people!!

Plus I've always been and always will be just a little person in the biz :) (with a big butt........)

12clicks 03-22-2007 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 12129083)
Sure thing Cory...

And For everyone... I just want to once again state for the record, I had NOTHING to do with the selection of panelists for this panel... CCBill / Phoenix Forum execs did that. Personally if I had any control over who got to be on this panel I would have selected differently.
I think the selections were well done (outside of their missfire of having me on a panel).
I also thank CCbill for making the effort.

V_RocKs 03-22-2007 11:47 AM
In an ICQ conversation with the Board Whore Extraordinair...

Quote:
V_RocKs (11:42 AM) :
I would have to agree with LAJ only when it comes to certain people.
S.O.S. would be one of those people... It took me a loooooong time to figure out what it is exactly that you do for money. But as it turns out, you actually DO make a lot of money and you do a lot in the industry that most poeple don't know about.
S.O.S. came in, made a name for himself.. then made another name for himself... and another... and is where now?

MicroChick 03-23-2007 02:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12128841)
here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100% of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.
The only has-been I see in this thread is you...using the same old banners, same old programs...and same old rhetoric.

I wouldn't waste one minute of my time listening to you in a seminar setting. I guess the selectors of speakers were your trolls who voted for you.:1orglaugh

12clicks 03-23-2007 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroChick (Post 12134781)
The only has-been I see in this thread is you...using the same old banners, same old programs...and same old rhetoric.

I wouldn't waste one minute of my time listening to you in a seminar setting. I guess the selectors of speakers were your trolls who voted for you.:1orglaugh
stop pretending you ever come out from under your bridge.:1orglaugh

will76 03-23-2007 09:25 AM
If i go to the seminar will you teach me how to shit gold :winkwink:

seeric 03-23-2007 09:33 AM
last night i held KBs hand at his movie. errrrrrrrrr.

cory and poppy made out.

12clicks 03-23-2007 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12136206)
If i go to the seminar will you teach me how to shit gold :winkwink:
nah, the only thing you'll probably learn is how to argue with the othe panelists. :winkwink:

MicroChick 03-23-2007 12:50 PM
[QUOTE=A1R3K cory and poppy made out.[/QUOTE]

Quiet, 12clicks will get jealous.:)

Cory W 03-23-2007 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 12136242)
last night i held KBs hand at his movie. errrrrrrrrr.

cory and poppy made out.
It was great seeing you last night. Definitely good times.

Jay,

Just an fyi, I dropped out of this seminar. So if you had suggestions for better selections (as you mentioned earlier), I think you should contact CCBill. I am always available to answer questions in regards to Weg, our marketing and our product development; However for this panel, I don't see myself as a good fit. As I said before, I was under the assumption that this was a discussion involving viral products / consumers / money made with blogs and syndication / etc.

Good luck on everything and I hope it ends up serving everyone well. The Phoenix Forum is a leader among leaders, I look forward to seeing everyone.

webmasterchecks 03-23-2007 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 12129083)
Sure thing Cory...

And For everyone... I just want to once again state for the record, I had NOTHING to do with the selection of panelists for this panel... CCBill / Phoenix Forum execs did that. Personally if I had any control over who got to be on this panel I would have selected differently.
its pretty tactless and insulting to the panelists to publicly say that you dont agree that they should be on that panel, when you are moderating it

Cory W 03-23-2007 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by THEMASKEDRIDER (Post 12138997)
its pretty tactless and insulting to the panelists to publicly say that you dont agree that they should be on that panel, when you are moderating it
While it certainly made my decision to drop an easier one, I do see why the speakers were selected.

I think the Phoenix Forum does a good job selecting speakers and organizing a show that is as business driven as possible. What they do isn't easy and I am looking forward to it once again this year.

seeric 03-23-2007 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 12139054)
While it certainly made my decision to drop an easier one, I do see why the speakers were selected.

I think the Phoenix Forum does a good job selecting speakers and organizing a show that is as business driven as possible. What they do isn't easy and I am looking forward to it once again this year.
who are the panelists anyhow? what is the panel really about? branding? personality marketing? this is actually the first time i've really paid attention to that term. i'll still go and check it out for sure. even if i'm hung over and reaking of jaegermeister and dirty girls.

btw, get those two movies i told you about last night. was great hanging out with everyone, was a perfect night. lots of fun.

:thumbsup

http://www.airek.com/gfy/cannibal.jpg

Cory W 03-23-2007 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 12139151)
who are the panelists anyhow? what is the panel really about? branding? personality marketing? this is actually the first time i've really paid attention to that term. i'll still go and check it out for sure. even if i'm hung over and reaking of jaegermeister and dirty girls.

btw, get those two movies i told you about last night. was great hanging out with everyone, was a perfect night. lots of fun.

:thumbsup

http://www.airek.com/gfy/cannibal.jpg
Will do on the movies, Thanks. Good seeing you as well.

And great picture. Good times for sure. :thumbsup

LAJ 03-23-2007 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by THEMASKEDRIDER (Post 12138997)
its pretty tactless and insulting to the panelists to publicly say that you dont agree that they should be on that panel, when you are moderating it
Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar. I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.

I feel the same way about a few speakers on other seminars as well. I've been organizing seminars for Cybernet Expo for going on 5 years... I have my way of doing things... Phoenix Forum has theirs. Neither is 100% correct. It is what it is.

webmasterchecks 03-24-2007 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 12139370)
Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar. I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.

I feel the same way about a few speakers on other seminars as well. I've been organizing seminars for Cybernet Expo for going on 5 years... I have my way of doing things... Phoenix Forum has theirs. Neither is 100% correct. It is what it is.
here is why

first of all, you have been asked to participate and your hurting the seminar by saying that it could have been set up better rather than helping it

i dont see what that statement gained you versus what it cost, just expected a little more professionality from a guy that helps organize competing shows

just struck me as a pretty pussy thing to say, when you got a little pushback, "oh i had nothing to do with it, i would have done it differently"

as for your experience with cybernet, since you brought it up, last years show was the worse run/planned show i had ever been to, all around, so your mention of that did not gain you much ground

webmasterchecks 03-24-2007 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 12139370)
Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar.
by the way, its not about putting people on panels that want to be on panels, im sure if you took a poll, youll find half or more of the attendees willing to sit on a panel to market themselves and their products to a thousand people, its about putting people on panels that are of value to the audience

davecummings 03-24-2007 04:43 PM
:-))
 
Well said, LAJ --thanks!

Dave

Cyndalie 03-24-2007 05:29 PM
I'd like to contribute by saying that there is another tier to personality based marketing over nick, antics, and style - one can build a reputation and name for themselves by becoming well known for their area of expertise and having the ability to communicate that knowledge, help others, and showing a path of being sucessful at it. By being resourceful, ones name can become well known. But this takes effort, time, and a level of professionalism beyond just board postings and 'looks' to become well known. The ones that are paying attention will always think of your name first when the topic of who is knowledable about that field and will always come to you when the time is right.

SteveLightspeed 03-24-2007 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 12139370)
Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar. I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.

I feel the same way about a few speakers on other seminars as well. I've been organizing seminars for Cybernet Expo for going on 5 years... I have my way of doing things... Phoenix Forum has theirs. Neither is 100% correct. It is what it is.
I'm not feeling great about being on this panel now because of this either. Wtf Jay? Maybe you should remove yourself from this one since you are so unhappy with the setup?

Steve Lightspeed

12clicks 03-24-2007 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 12142838)
I'm not feeling great about being on this panel now because of this either. Wtf Jay? Maybe you should remove yourself from this one since you are so unhappy with the setup?

Steve Lightspeed
yeah, not sure where he was going with that post.

JFK 03-24-2007 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12143163)
yeah, not sure where he was going with that post.
does he need to go ANYWHERE?:thumbsup .................... Draw your own conclusions??

swampthing 03-24-2007 11:56 PM
Seminars suck balls.

Seminars are a waste of quality sleeping time.

If you need to go to a seminar to learn shit, or better yet, If you think your going to learn something at a seminar, then its probably time to find another line of work.

MikeHawk 03-25-2007 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12122199)
uh, no business people base their decissions on board popularity. ;)
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

MikeHawk 03-25-2007 12:45 AM
lol...

Hey a big thumbs up to all those popular people....:thumbsup :thumbsup

tony286 03-25-2007 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 12142838)
I'm not feeling great about being on this panel now because of this either. Wtf Jay? Maybe you should remove yourself from this one since you are so unhappy with the setup?

Steve Lightspeed
You were profiled in the wall street journal and your that sensitive? Stop this is your show:)

12clicks 03-25-2007 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeHawk (Post 12143831)
lol...

Hey a big thumbs up to all those popular people....:thumbsup :thumbsup
nice, here comes the unpopular crowd now. :winkwink:

12clicks 03-25-2007 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by swampthing (Post 12143744)
Seminars suck balls.

Seminars are a waste of quality sleeping time.

If you need to go to a seminar to learn shit, or better yet, If you think your going to learn something at a seminar, then its probably time to find another line of work.
what name did you used to go by before this one?

SteveLightspeed 03-25-2007 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12143853)
You were profiled in the wall street journal and your that sensitive? Stop this is your show:)
I'm not that "sensitive", but I too thought this seminar was supposed to be about branding and viral marketing. I'm surprised that LAJ would publicly criticize CCBill's selection of panelists so adamantly. And I think it is discourteous to The Phoenix Forum to suggest that Cybernet does a better job, whether it does or not.

Steve Lightspeed

JFK 03-25-2007 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12145360)
what name did you used to go by before this one?
You dont think its a fake nick, do you??:Graucho

will76 03-25-2007 12:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12136444)
nah, the only thing you'll probably learn is how to argue with the othe panelists. :winkwink:
learn... :winkwink: shit i got that one down pretty good already.

SteveLightspeed 03-25-2007 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MicroChick (Post 12127590)
Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.:thumbsup
Why doesn't someone ban this bitch?

seeric 03-25-2007 03:43 PM
can i put kitty in to replace cory? kitty has madddddd personality. he don't know about branding though. :(

http://www.blingstudio.com/meow.gif

webmasterchecks 03-25-2007 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 12139370)
Why? I honestly think there are a few more prolific marketing people in this biz who I know love to be on panels that I think would be a better match for this particular seminar.

I'm sure the same could be said about me and moderating it.
considering what you said above, perhaps you should honorably tender the reigns to somebody better suited to make the seminar the best it can be

12clicks 03-25-2007 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12145416)
learn... :winkwink: shit i got that one down pretty good already.
I'll get us an XXXL sweatshirt we can wear and share the seat on the panel

Connor 03-25-2007 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed (Post 12145379)
I'm not that "sensitive", but I too thought this seminar was supposed to be about branding and viral marketing. I'm surprised that LAJ would publicly criticize CCBill's selection of panelists so adamantly. And I think it is discourteous to The Phoenix Forum to suggest that Cybernet does a better job, whether it does or not.

Steve Lightspeed

Wow Steve, that is a pretty fucking exaggerated account of what Jay posted. I agree completely with Tony, it seems like you're way too sensitive here. Here's an idea... call me radical, but if you didn't like what Jay posted, why not simply call him and ask him PRIVATELY to explain what he meant and possibly reconsider it, rather then calling for a public lynch mob on GFY?

webmasterchecks 03-26-2007 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Connor (Post 12146445)
Wow Steve, that is a pretty fucking exaggerated account of what Jay posted. I agree completely with Tony, it seems like you're way too sensitive here. Here's an idea... call me radical, but if you didn't like what Jay posted, why not simply call him and ask him PRIVATELY to explain what he meant and possibly reconsider it, rather then calling for a public lynch mob on GFY?
conner, your obviously biased because you work with jay, he should have kept his mouth shut if he didnt want to insult anybody, isnt that a novel idea?

call me radical, he said it publicly, he should deal with it publicly, lightspeeds not the only person that read what he wrote, why should he get the private explanation?

Juicy D. Links 03-26-2007 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 12130586)
In an ICQ conversation with the Board Whore Extraordinair...

Quote:
V_RocKs (11:42 AM) :
I would have to agree with LAJ only when it comes to certain people.
S.O.S. would be one of those people... It took me a loooooong time to figure out what it is exactly that you do for money. But as it turns out, you actually DO make a lot of money and you do a lot in the industry that most poeple don't know about.
S.O.S. came in, made a name for himself.. then made another name for himself... and another... and is where now?

true SOS was a funny character:pimp

LAJ 03-26-2007 10:24 AM
Well folks... I certainly meant no harm by my earlier statements, I'm not a vindictive person, but clearly feelings were hurt and unfortunately comments were misinterpreted. I essentially meant that every show is different which incidentally in my opinion is one of the strengths of the industry and why so many people attend all of the various shows and not just one.

I know how hard CCBill has been working on the Phoenix Forum and I know personally how hard it is to put a trade show together... so the last thing I want to do is be the cause of any bad feelings at the marketing seminar. My interests here are for the Phoenix Forum to be the best it possibly can be.

I feel at this point it's probably best for me to recuse myself as moderator of the marketing panel. Thanks to CCBill for providing me with the opportunity in the first place and I have no doubt they will find a great replacement moderator.

So hopefully we've cleared this up now, and everyone can just concentrate on having a good time in Phoenix. See you all at the show.


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