Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 12127082)

Jay,

I think a lot of reps / sales reps gain a false sense of security and online acceptance as a result of these chat forums. I think it is one of the key reasons that so many move from job to job.

When I make a serious post, my hope is that serious business people will read it and in some instances, give feedback or contribute. I think that many people just hope they get a lot of responses and that those responses are flattering. And many companies hire representatives based on these threads.

The key element is utilizing a target audience. It?s making a post that offers a real solution or use and getting that message out to the correct audience.

When Rochard brought up reps that take on a corporate name, it raised what I see as a serious issue: Reps are more concerned with image, when they should be concerned with production. And this is fueled by the aforementioned false sense of security and online acceptance. I see companies hire based on image all the time. It explains the turnover rate.

If someone is productive, people will notice it and it isn?t going to matter if they have YNOT in front of their name or something else. The industry is shrinking in terms of companies that can afford to pay people higher wages as well as offer individuals a system that they can advance in.

Also Rochard, I doubt highly that new hire reps are choosing ?platinum? in front of their nicks. I would safely assume they are being asked to use it as a part of their jobs. And I for one don?t think that is too much to ask.

I chose Weg in front of my name. When I hired Robert, he changed it to Weg, I didn?t ask him too. John and Gabe use other nicks. It just doesn?t matter.

I have often contemplated changing my nick to Wegcash.

I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.

Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.

Originally Posted by GUNNER (Post 12127146)

So I should get the I (HEART) WEG CORY tattoo on my ass removed??

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12126337)

Jay too nice a guy to name names

Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 12127082)

I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.

Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.

Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 12127082)

Jay,

I think a lot of reps / sales reps gain a false sense of security and online acceptance as a result of these chat forums. I think it is one of the key reasons that so many move from job to job.

When I make a serious post, my hope is that serious business people will read it and in some instances, give feedback or contribute. I think that many people just hope they get a lot of responses and that those responses are flattering. And many companies hire representatives based on these threads.

The key element is utilizing a target audience. It?s making a post that offers a real solution or use and getting that message out to the correct audience.

When Rochard brought up reps that take on a corporate name, it raised what I see as a serious issue: Reps are more concerned with image, when they should be concerned with production. And this is fueled by the aforementioned false sense of security and online acceptance. I see companies hire based on image all the time. It explains the turnover rate.

If someone is productive, people will notice it and it isn?t going to matter if they have YNOT in front of their name or something else. The industry is shrinking in terms of companies that can afford to pay people higher wages as well as offer individuals a system that they can advance in.

Also Rochard, I doubt highly that new hire reps are choosing ?platinum? in front of their nicks. I would safely assume they are being asked to use it as a part of their jobs. And I for one don?t think that is too much to ask.

I chose Weg in front of my name. When I hired Robert, he changed it to Weg, I didn?t ask him too. John and Gabe use other nicks. It just doesn?t matter.

I have often contemplated changing my nick to Wegcash.

I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.

Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12127275)

Good luck with the serious people reading and having a business discussion, at least on this forum and most others that encourage people to act like 12 year olds and are fueled by drama. You might be able to make a serious business related post and you might even get some serious replies but you are also going to get " fuck you what the fuck do you know" and " see sig" and and bunch of other bots posting off topic shit.

Good post Cory, and I agree with what you said. All these people that build up their " image " here so they can make sig money or get a company to hire them as a rep, they are doing no justice to themselves. Instead of developing a skill (real skill) that can transcend adult or even the internet they instead focus their efforts on building up their punk idenity. Which if all fails for them in adult they have done nothing to better themselves for the " real world".

I am sure the manager at the corner 7-11 cares how many people you " owned " on GFY back in the day and how big your post count was or how many parties you went too. They might give you free slurpies with that on your resume.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12122199)

uh, no business people base their decissions on board popularity. ;)

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12127275)

Good luck with the serious people reading and having a business discussion, at least on this forum and most others that encourage people to act like 12 year olds and are fueled by drama. You might be able to make a serious business related post and you might even get some serious replies but you are also going to get " fuck you what the fuck do you know" and " see sig" and and bunch of other bots posting off topic shit.

Good post Cory, and I agree with what you said. All these people that build up their " image " here so they can make sig money or get a company to hire them as a rep, they are doing no justice to themselves. Instead of developing a skill (real skill) that can transcend adult or even the internet they instead focus their efforts on building up their punk idenity. Which if all fails for them in adult they have done nothing to better themselves for the " real world".

I am sure the manager at the corner 7-11 cares how many people you " owned " on GFY back in the day and how big your post count was or how many parties you went too. They might give you free slurpies with that on your resume.

Originally Posted by Dwreck (Post 12125130)

True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 12127608)

I can get free slurpies???????????

Originally Posted by DonkeyPunchProductions (Post 12127707)

Similar to the AG, judge one on his/her actions not on what he/she posts on a b.s. message board. For some GFY is a good forum to learn what is going on in the industry, get your name out, and get some great laughs (even at your own expense). Some people similar to me have made some mistakes in their personal lives but do not (and have never) conducted business as such. All I ask is that you make judgments based on the ?reality? of one?s business practices, not posts on an adult industry board intended to be read by those in the adult industry. Thank you!

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12128072)

that is bullshit and most people don't get it. If this is just " some b.s." board then why do people promote their business here? Why do people advertise here, paid, sigs, or just start threads about their services... Obviously a lot of people, in one form or another, do business here. This is the " conference room" of a traditional business. This is where a lot of people do their business.

So you have some people here who act like total jackasses on messageboards but relly on them for a good portion of the business.

So how am I suppose to judge someone, by the way they act when they are in the place where they do a lot of their business or the way they act when they are buying me drinks just bullshitting with me at a party. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 12127233)

i love carrots. theres alot of bullshit in this thread now.

Originally Posted by MicroChick (Post 12127590)

Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.:thumbsup

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12128841)

here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100% of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12128863)

12 you are invited to the JDL Phx Forum invite only orgy

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12128875)

if its man/man love I'm all over it.

Originally Posted by MicroChick (Post 12127590)

Jay,

Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?

They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?

Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.

Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.:thumbsup

Originally Posted by WEG Cory (Post 12127452)

Thing is, my post comes off as arrogant but if you read it, I really am just giving what I see as an honest assessment of the situation. I harbor no ill will towards anyone?s style. I really believe in ?to each their own.? If I hadn?t been placed on this seminar, I never would have replied to this thread.

Jay, I do appreciate your saying I would be a good person for this seminar. However, technically, I work on the production side of Weg. I don?t really do the marketing. My marketing post are usually based on something I just pushed into the system on our adult side.

As far as people disagreeing with me, the only point of contention that stands out to me is the prefaced-brand name. It has all been respectful and professional. That is all good with me. I am honest on the boards; I will be honest in person. I sincerely want to help.

One thing I can comment on that I feel would be productive is our marketing history. I will shoot you straight on successes and failures Weg has been a part of (or more precisely, what I think works and doesn?t work). I would also be interested in the same from the other panelist (all of which are more qualified than I am for this).

Thanks for having me though. I think it will be a nice and productive gathering.

Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 12129083)

Sure thing Cory...

And For everyone... I just want to once again state for the record, I had NOTHING to do with the selection of panelists for this panel... CCBill / Phoenix Forum execs did that. Personally if I had any control over who got to be on this panel I would have selected differently.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12128841)

here's a typical example of what's wrong with this biz.
take this woman for example. Not a part of the business, makes negative posts 100% of the time, and thinks people going to seminars want to waste their time hearing from has beens.

Originally Posted by MicroChick (Post 12134781)

The only has-been I see in this thread is you...using the same old banners, same old programs...and same old rhetoric.

I wouldn't waste one minute of my time listening to you in a seminar setting. I guess the selectors of speakers were your trolls who voted for you.:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12136206)

If i go to the seminar will you teach me how to shit gold :winkwink: