I will put it this way... since you have a support telephone number these people shouldnt be fucking whining anyways. They could always call and get someone right away.

don't assume I'm some pimple faced kid sitting in his parent's basement. :thumbsup

By the way, I'm assuming you mean his business history, and No, I do not.
Nor do I care. Why? Who's dick did he suck to get his job?

I think the problem here is that virtually everyone posting in this thread, with the exception of Tenfoot, has bonded at conferences day in and day out over and over again for several years. It's quite easy to get stuck in the box with the ease of face to face communications even though most of the time we spend throughout the year is at our desk - because the personal interaction really sticks with you.

To be honest it's sometimes a bit difficult to come home and back to the boards after you've been the company emissary for 3-6 days, up 22 hours every day and jet-lagged on top of it when you return home to a shit pile of work waiting for you. What exactly am I saying?

Well, I think to a certain extent just about everybody posting in this thread is quite a bit right. When you don't know someone you don't quite know how to frame what they're saying or how they're saying it when they are posting on a message board. Jean-Marie, Derek, Mike from Vivid, Michael from SexEntertain, Albert - these are some of the more brilliant in our bunch and believe it or not, some of the hardest working, most humble and frankly genuine people available to meet in our business.

So, perhaps it's an 'off' thread or a bad day for one or more individuals - perhaps they are sometimes challenged with reading how someone is questioning them in a public forum. Right, wrong or indifferent we all have our challenges and serious responsibility to ourselves, employers, suppliers and clients.

Not being the guy to bullshit anyone myself, if I had never been to a tradeshow and met all of you guys I would probably have framed the thread like Why or Tenfoot. But I do know your personalities and it does add dimension to your posts. Understanding this from every conceivable angle, I still think the best approach through all mediums of communication (ICQ, email, boards, phone) is to slow down and break this shit down to the lowest common denominator in the most respectful way possible.

The one thing I constantly remind myself on the boards is that even though I am often responding directly to one party or person, I am always writing for the benefit of the masses of people who don't even register or post here. For every one total fucking idiot on this board there are at least ten more right behind him - but right behind those ten are ten people that just read and take it all in. Those are the ones that we are here posting for, they're often the 'qualified' clients of sorts, the ones working their business for the sake of business and not for a popularity contest.

I don't know if there are winners and losers in this thread but it does seem that a group hug is in order. How about I buy your ticket to August tradeshow, Tenfoot, so that all of us can discuss this over drinks?

:pimp

Cheers,

Brad

Unless his name was Derek Smout, who is seriously one of my favorite people of all time, I have not a clue what you are talking about. Do I know you?

God dammit, did I kill another thread? OK, time to go to sleep now. Ciao

Find someone who I have ever fucked over in this industry. I guarantee you that you will not. If you want to talk shit, go nuts, but don't even think you can begin to question my integrity in this business.

you said it, not me

I never assume that, ever

See tenfoot, the thing you don't get is this: nobody gives a shit who you are :thumbsup

he sucked mine once, but stopped halfway through when he realized I didn't have anything to offer him

Why are you calling him names tenfoot? seems very "UNPROFESSIONAL" to me.

Hahaha

Hey Mike, check out these 'professional' posts by Tenfoot

Here is tenfoot's thoughts on women...
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...0#post12210750

There he is giving out tips on how to get high...
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...0#post12210610

Apparently he likes to do business over games of mini putt.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...3#post12209053

Here he can be found generalizing negatively about affiliate programs again.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...4#post12200364

And finally, here he is sticking up for hostage takers in Iran.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...1#post12210121

Wow Tenfoot, you really are a web professional.

I like your latest thread where you talk shit on Perfect Gonzo and write 'DO THEY PAY?' in the thread title. That's super classy :thumbsup As I was the first to suggest, let's never do business together.

haha thats funny