truly pathetic

Nicely put.

whats with this ass kissers invasion ?
I assume Lars bought enough drinks at Phoenix.

Actually drinks are free and everywhere I went people were buying me breakfast and dinner, I really appreciate all the kind people at the shows. I kinda feel sad for those of you who think its about buying a drink, the reason people like me is I am a nice and a genuine Guy :)

you have to be one of the dumbest people on this forum. thats why i pity you a little.. you have to kiss ass to bigger people because thats all you got to offer. you're like the socially retarded, nerdy kid that tries to hang with the cool guy, laughs at all his jokes and defends him at any cost... because if you didn't you wouldn't have any friends at all.

And I feel sorry for you because your a bitter angry person with nothing nice to say about anyone !

famous or infamous, whichever way you want to see it i guess.

i still don't see why more companies aren't sueing zango or ddosing the shit out them.

Oh? Please point to where I defended Lars. Infact, I even posted that I have no links to anyone who supports or used zango. Guess what, that includes AFF.

Yet I'm ass kissing.

Hmm... perhaps what bothers you is that all the little guys who posted that they used zango had a 5 post thread and were forgotten about and Lars remained center of attention for the duration and still is.

I never once said I condoned any warez sites, password sites... diddly squat. I'm talking about how larger companies get more haters than smaller companies. That is the topic of the thread, isn't it?

And I'm the dumb one? You don't even know what you're talking about anymore. So save your pity for yourself. You'll need it for the next time you contradict yourself.

Until then, keep on calling me names and insulting me for having an opinion on the topic at hand... perhaps that'll make you feel better about the whole thing. While on the topic of Lars buying drinks, he never has bought me a drink at a show. Nor do I ever expect him to. He really has nothing what so ever to ever offer me.

But that's for some other thread, you know... where the topic involves that sort of thing.

Was there hatin going on at the show?

really? there are a lot of people in this biz that i like and many that i don't like but have very deep respect for. i had a lot of respect for you right up until you made your fateful post that blew a lot of people here away, showing your true colors.

right now, i dont have anything nice to say about the "genuine guy" who gets caught stealing and basically says "fuck you, i'm going to steal from you anyway" or the people that defend that. you guys were the one company in this industry that could have made a positive change and done something good for everyone... instead, you chose do everything at the expense of the industry and everyone in it. that was truly dissapointing and definately not what people expected from you.

if you are happy having your ass kissed at shows because you are "legendary lars" and not because you are truly a good person and good friend - then you life is more empty than anyone could have guessed.

You and Sagi have always been nice to me:thumbsup


Mr. Romance

Perhaps we need another thread where we discuss "if you don't wish someone was dead, then you're an ass kisser" so that we can properly define how much hatred you need to have towards someone to be considered neutral.

Nope not one little bit.

ok good, I was gonna say, I had a great fuckin time. sittin by the fire at night n shit. I seen nothing but a good time had by all.

Was good finally to meet you. I was the guy with JenniDahling in that lil store.


Perhaps more words next time.

99% of people won't hate in person. Those going to a show are either successful already or there to create new business. Pissing others off at a show wouldn't be wise, regardless of right or wrong.

Right, but some people exceed expectations. So I wondered.

bump for you

Indeed, at shows you tend to hear "Oh, I can't go to that party, _____ will be there!!" and just avoid any altercation.

Grow up people. This isn't remedial school. What has "hating" got to do with anything?

Online porn is growing up. That's an inevitability. In another decade or so, it won't be recognizable as the same industry as today and most of the people who are here today will be gone and forgotten. In the long run, the only impact AFF's business "ethics" will have on anyone but themselves, is that the process might take a couple of years longer than it would if someone with their influence on the industry were pushing for higher standards and not trying to hold us back to lower ones.

In the short term, if anything emotional is involved at all, it's respect. You want to respect someone who apparently thinks that both this industry and the company of which it is part are unique? Go ahead. I'm damn glad I'm on the other "side", not least because the whole time Lars was laying low, barely a handful of people had anything good to say about him. Now he is back, they come out of the woodwork. In my book that makes them gutless, as well as stupid.

Lesson #1: no industry has ever stayed long in its wild west phase. Not one. Ever. Don't take my word for it, you can check for yourself.

Lesson #2: being a pioneer only gets you a place in the history books so long as you make it to the next phase. In every mature industry, you can about count on one hand, the number who were smart enough to know when to stop breaking rules and start using them. Again, check for yourself.

And you know what is the dumbest thing of all? This is supposed to be about money, but another inevitability of economic development cycles is that the real money starts when an industry gets to the next level. You want to be really smart? Forget about stealing from each other and get back to the business of selling. Sure it's harder, but it's going to get a lot harder. Where do you think you will be in 5 or 10 years, if you keep playing at the same-old, same-old, while new people are coming up who from day one have needed to be good enough to compete in today's market?

Not really. Franck, SquishyPimp, Splum, dissipate, and I all have detractors.

But good work on the ego. :thumbsup

This part of your post is outstanding.

well, ill say this. i used to think you were a decent guy, felt neutral on the zango thing, then i had a chance to observe you at the phoenix forum this year.

you struck me as a cocky, arrogant asshole, with a (previously) good pr campaign, just wanted the chance to say that

Its worth pointing out Lars that 2 or 3 or 4 years ago, you would have had 100 people posting about how great you are within minutes, they would be babbling on and on about how great cams.com is and supporting you. If the recent lack of support even from sigwhores doesn't make you start asking questions or wake you up, then you are beyond saving.

the worst part is that you could turn things around in an afternoon. you could be one of the industries saviors. you could be a leader. you could use your substantial resources and influence to start fighting problems rather than taking a stance like "well, as the industries major players, we are just going to start fucking over everyone pre-emptively" - you could fight the problem. you could clean the business up. you could take an ethical stand and fight for whats right. you could take a stand and fight for the affiliates that send you traffic rather than supporting every scammer on the net that shares stolen content... you still have the power to make a huge difference.

its a shame for this industry that you choose to act like a bitter, stubborn child instead.

Pointing out someone is a thief isn't "hating". Would you say the person that identified the robber at a convenience store is a "hater" because they pointed out the thief?

You made your money stealing music and now stealing traffic. It's natural for you.

will you make me the highest paid sigwhore in history pleaseee:)

.... when half the people who hate you USED to support you, thats not called "making it".

67 kiss assers in here!

There are some in this, and other industries that have no interest in the rest of that industry.. They have one goal and that is to make money, by whatever means possible.. To these people, ethics is of little importance if it affects the bottom line.

People with little or no ethics will remain so.. Their money buys them friends, attention, and cool, "Look at me!" things. This is more important to them than respect or ethics.. There are a number of them out & about.. They know who they are.. If they can live with it, I can live without it..

Brilliantly put.

It's simply astounding the few that actually defend a model that steals from affiliates. Bizarre really.

I think he does make one valid point here; that the sexsearch rats have gone virtually unscathed by simply laying low in the sewers and not addressing the issue in ANY capacity. I'm sure they are reading this post along with the dozens of other ones where people ask sexsearch's position and they avoided it. Just another reminder that it's not going away, sexsearch.

you are angry. does it help any that i love you?

Add em to the list of mine and they can have a party!:thumbsup Last time I heard I was a tranny:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thats too bad, I am totally not the way you describe in fact I am quite the opposite.

You forget one thing I already outlasted most of the gunslingers from the early days. I have been here since 1995 I have seen many like you come and go. I am happy with the money I made if someone else makes the REAL money then so be it I am not trying to see who has a better anything or the biggest whatever I already WON hahahhahahahaa

i'm always late in these threads

starts a thread and acts like ripping affiliates off is ok lol

don't flatter yourself. i am not angry at all. i enjoy the fact that you guys are slowly imploding as the result of your behavior. i would like to see a company held liable for their behavior in this industry for a change. i would like to see people start standing up for what is right. i would like to see industry leaders fight those like your companies, who just don't give a shit about the industry or webmasters.

BUT... lets assume i am in fact "angry" - like every other post you and Lars have made, that still has nothing to do with the issues at hand, or the facts as they unfolded.

so... ok... i am angry. well, you are an employee of what is most likely the webs biggest supporter of stolen content, password trading and warez... and have a company that has been more than open about the fact that it won't change anytime soon.

i can always get over my "anger"

BUT

can you guys stop your unethical behavior?

can you guys stop supporting spyware?

can you guys stop stealing peoples traffic with spyware?

can you guys stop supporting password traders?

can you guys stop supporting warez sites?

can you guys stop supporting forums with stolen content and all those building sites/pages with stolen content?

you steal from hardworking webmasters. that has always been an issue that comes up from time to time, over the years... but wow... seeing someone point out how you are robbing affiliates and then watching you guys publically say "yeah, well... get used to it" was beyond bizarre.

and hopefully, its time for people to be upset enough about what they are losing, and start seeing the big picture, rather than caring about the "cool factor", who buys the drinks and what car the guy they try to suck up to drives.

you guys use more than zango... care to talk about that?

I think you saw him the way you wanted to see him.

I've met and talked with Lars a couple of times and he is not cocky or arrogant. He doesnt care whether you make $10,000/year or $10,000,000, he still makes the time to talk with you and treats you with respect. He struck me as being very "down to earth."

legendary lensman rocks!

Thanks I appreciate that, I found a few people approch me with hesitation, but when they spoke with me they found that I am actually a very nice guy. I totally disagree with many of the posts in here, about my ethics or my integrity, I believe those who question my ethics or integrity really dont ahave a clue as to who I really am or what I really stand for. I have turned down huge ammounts of money in the past on stuff in this industry I thought was shady or unethical. Anyone who has been around for more than 5 years can attest to the fact that I have always been more above board than many of my peers. A few of you are dilusional as to the facts and I disagree with many of your viewpoints. You continue to beat a dead horse to fit whatever sick agenda you have. I think its about time I got back to making money hand over fist and forget once again the haters on this board, as they have little to no impact on my life as a whole.