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darling2 04-04-2007 03:54 AM

sorry to hear...

You might want to scan your computer with all virus/spyware tools available to get rid of keyloggers. Unfortunately many pros use custom keyloggers who cant be deteced by virus scanners (simply because they are not in common circulation) so cleaning out your PC might be best.

If you still have a keylogger installed, they will get all your new passwords and other accounts.

Sarah_Jayne 04-04-2007 04:11 AM

I am impressed that you were able to go back and do your job in such a professional manner after being cyber mugged by somebody in the same crowd.

JFK 04-04-2007 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffrey (Post 12192153)
I dont see posts about people getting paid by sponsors on time either... Maybe I should start every time I get a payment, just so you will know who is paying on time...
I know thats not exactly the same, but its just how it is, people don't post when things go as planned, and often then dont post when a problem has been fixed, or if they do its an old bump that goes un-noticed.

Its already evident that epass has looked into it to some extent, even given JFK some info on who it was.
Your just ASSUMING that epass isnt doing everything they can. Do you know for sure that they havent gathered all the information they can get and given it to the proper authorities? How do you know its not in some officers in box, or that an officer reviewed and just pushed it aside?

Do you want epass to just refund every "theft" that happens? how do you know people wont just scam them by saying something was a theft? Have you read the epass TOS? do you understand them? agree to them?

If Chris Mallick's account was hacked I'm sure something would happen, but I couldn't tell you what. For all I know his legal team would force him to do exactly what is being done for JFK.

Well,they did NOT give me anything, its part of the online statement.
Thats is where I got the info from,I was just told that they did transfer the funds to 2 other accts and that it was gone.
They are investigating. This thread should not be turned into an Epass bashing one.
As I have stated,never had a problem with them prior to this and will not stop using the system, with further precautions put in place.

Ravage 04-04-2007 06:25 AM

Man, that's fucked up. What a way to put a damper on such a great show. Sorry to hear this bro.

JFK, check into the possibility of a keylogger on your system. These types of viruses record keystrokes, and as such, when you enter in a password, it records it. The hacker can then have access to the keystrokes you used at certain websites.

Being that it seems to be someone within the industry and/or someone targetting people in the industry, it sounds like there is a site(s) out there distributing this keylogger.

JFK 04-04-2007 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash (Post 12192696)
I am impressed that you were able to go back and do your job in such a professional manner after being cyber mugged by somebody in the same crowd.

Well it was eighter that, or mope about it ! I had to focus on what I came to do and not let it get me down too much.

Azoy? 04-04-2007 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking (Post 12190115)
Damm, always has to be a jewish name in there :( LOL

Hope you find the people Jfk.

probably made up as they looked at a name and choose it cause it was popular in this industry at one time as in al goldstein

in fact they probably changed al to ann but kept the same first initial which is more likly the name they looked up and tried to fake.

Shoplifter 04-04-2007 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 12189745)
damn i hope it wasn't any top notch people. :Oh crap

This cracked me up in oooh so many ways.

drjones 04-04-2007 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 12192393)
Heres what probably happened.

#1 - The day people arrived, someone set up a fake access point

#2 - Their access point was set up as a http/https relay. A fake epass site was installed on the local AP server. When people logged into paypal or epass, first their login & user name was captured on the local machine & then relayed onto the real epassporte site, so all you saw was a seamless login.

#3 - Several logins were stolen within the first few hours. Everyones checking their balance before they hit the bar/strip club for cash.

#4 - These new stolen logins from people at the show, were used to move the $ around in a giant loop.

Now depending on the # of logins compromised, the # of transactions those other accounts completed themselves/transferred to other accts.. And the # of days between it happening, & JFK alerting epassporte. That money could be lost in a "literal" circle jerk void forever.

Epassporte might literally have to contact 100 customers & confirm each transaction to another party.

Your not dealing with a hotel employee. Your dealing with someone that has probably been using epassporte for years & hatched a little pre-meditated scheme months ago.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this has been going on for several years. Just in amounts people don't immediately notice, or don't wish to embarrass themselves in public.

I wouldn't be surprised if more people come forward in the following weeks with the same complaints.

Then again...it could have been some idiot using a xp exploit & a keylogger. Or even a lost access key social engineering trick with the hotel front desk, while your laptop sat tucked away seemingly safe.

All we can do is hope little bloodsuckers like this get caught, or karma brings them a hefty dose of the AIDS :pimp


Very well could be. You have to be very careful about the wireless networks you allow your computer to connect to. There was a study recently, that went to various airports around the country to check for rogue wireless ad hoc networks. They found them in almost every airport they checked! :helpme

Most wireless users will connect to one of these adhoc networks automatically, and anything and everything you do on the web can be intercepted. Anywhere there is free wireless, you need to make sure you are connected to the right wireless network. Dont let windows or whatever OS you use, connect to the first open network it finds, automatically, or you'll be a victim eventually.

Juicy D. Links 04-04-2007 08:31 AM

this just sucks

webair 04-04-2007 08:37 AM

Julius that really sucks man good liuck and good hunting

Fluid 04-04-2007 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 12189639)
Some THIEF hacked into my laptop in Phoenix at the hotel. They stole over 2K out of my Epass Business acct.

It happened after I logged in, to check on my balance so I can pay someone there. Before you all start bashing Epass,it was NOT their fault,the THIEF,or THIEF'S had my password so there was no reason for the funds not being able to be transferred.

It went tru 3 accounts before being withdrawn.

All night after that, I am looking at people smiling at me shaking my hand,asking for their pics to be taken and wondering are they the ones who just done this to me?

I was not going to post about this, thinking the THIEF is probably reading this board and is chuckling right about now as to how he fucked me over, but It should be brought out in the open.

Appearently there are people in our midsts who follow the shows around and prey on fellow webmasters.

So a word to the wise, next time you want to use your CC for an online transaction at a webmster event with wireless connection...............DONT............. there is a very real possibility that someone is watching you, waiting to steal what you worked your ass off for:2 cents:


I hope you reported this to the police. There's a pretty good likelyhood it was someone at the hotel, a friend of mine manages a rather well known hotel in toronto where they quietly fired an IT manager for hacking into bank accounts that were accessed from the hotels network awhile back. Sadly the hotels are usually more interested in protecting their reputations than reporting these people to the cops.

JFK 04-04-2007 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluid (Post 12193662)
I hope you reported this to the police. There's a pretty good likelyhood it was someone at the hotel, a friend of mine manages a rather well known hotel in toronto where they quietly fired an IT manager for hacking into bank accounts that were accessed from the hotels network awhile back. Sadly the hotels are usually more interested in protecting their reputations than reporting these people to the cops.

I did not see the point in reporting it to the police. It is a crime comited in cyberspace, like they are going to do anything about it:disgust


But,here is the rundown of the actual transactions

Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p Fee $-2.00 $-2.00 $77.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p ann90ldstein $-499.00 $-499.00 $79.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p Fee $-2.00 $-2.00 $578.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p ann90ldstein $-500.00 $-500.00 $580.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p Fee $-2.00 $-2.00 $1,080.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p ann90ldstein $-500.00 $-500.00 $1,082.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p Fee $-2.00 $-2.00 $1,582.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p ann90ldstein $-500.00 $-500.00 $1,584.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p Fee $-2.00 $-2.00 $2,084.38 Matched
Virtual 30 Mar 2007 b2p ann90ldstein $-500.00 $-500.00 $2,086.38 Matched

jeffrey 04-04-2007 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kassidy (Post 12192312)
Maybe they can't give out that information, but the least they can do is refund his money to his account. That would do a LOT to reinstate confidence in their service, don't you think?

As I said they would still need to investigate to make sure it wasnt a fraudulent theift in the first place right.
Bad for the bottom line when you refund any money that anyone says was "stolen".
I am not saying that I doubt JFK actually had money stolen, but I do know people would take advantage of the system if refunds were given easy. Just look at how many people abuse paypal, they pay, get what they paid for and then reverse the transaction, even if there is no money in you account the thief gets the money from paypal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 12192814)
Well,they did NOT give me anything, its part of the online statement.
Thats is where I got the info from,I was just told that they did transfer the funds to 2 other accts and that it was gone.
They are investigating. This thread should not be turned into an Epass bashing one.
As I have stated,never had a problem with them prior to this and will not stop using the system, with further precautions put in place.

Well at least they are investigating. And I am sure they are doing what they can.

czarina 04-04-2007 10:33 AM

I am very sorry to hear. But this is not the first time that something like this happens at a convention. I've heard of stolen laptops, cars, money, you name it!
How sad that an industry that is trying to stick together and be friendly to each other has some shitty people among us.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 12192324)
sorry to hear - i really hope epassport helps you to find the theif and post the motherfuckers name on here so we can all spit in the face of this asshole next time we see em.

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO USE TO SPLIT THE FACE OF THE GUY WHO DID THIS WITH>?

DarkJedi 04-04-2007 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 12189639)
Some THIEF hacked into my laptop in Phoenix at the hotel. They stole over 2K out of my Epass Business acct.

Let me guess, you were dumb enought to use an unencripted wi-fi connection?

baddog 04-04-2007 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12195018)
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO USE TO SPLIT THE FACE OF THE GUY WHO DID THIS WITH>?

he never used the word "split."

DarkJedi 04-04-2007 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 12194169)
How sad that an industry that is trying to stick together and be friendly to each other has some shitty people among us.


This is such a pile of bullshit. This "industry" is filled with assholes and scumbags who will use every chance to fuck you over.

People need to snap out of their fantasy. This is not some friendly hobby circle. You will be taken advantage if you present a slightest chance.

This "industry" is made of dumb teenagers, retirees, mental cases, Russians, thieves, bullshitters, and scammers. And you expect common decency? hahaha

RogerV 04-04-2007 01:34 PM

the one thing I hate about this biz is the the scumbag theives. so many good people but it only takes a few bottom feeders to fuck it up..

sextoyking 04-04-2007 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12195097)
Let me guess, you were dumb enought to use an unencripted wi-fi connection?

Man you know how to rub it in and be an asshole hugh?

DarkJedi 04-04-2007 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sextoyking (Post 12195279)
Man you know how to rub it in and be an asshole hugh?

Truth hurts, huh?

What gets to me, is that someone was dumb enough to have their PC hacked, post the story on boards and now have everyone and their neighbour give Epass shit for this.

CherryLipsRosa 04-04-2007 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12195341)
Truth hurts, huh?

What gets to me, is that someone was dumb enough to have their PC hacked, post the story on boards and now have everyone and their neighbour give Epass shit for this.

Oh please! go back and read the posts and if this thread is not of interest to you then go find yourself a stupid thread to post in. The intension is not to point fingers just to find out who could do such a thing. Let this happen to you and see how it feels .... oh sorry you are too smart for this to happen to you.. pfff

sextoyking 04-04-2007 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12195341)
Truth hurts, huh?

What gets to me, is that someone was dumb enough to have their PC hacked, post the story on boards and now have everyone and their neighbour give Epass shit for this.

I can't decide if I am the Stupid one for even responding to your post..

Anyone can potentially get hacked in one form or another.... And I would of done the same as JFK, he is letting our community know what happended so mabey it won't happen to anyone else, plus mabey he will get lucky and find this loser / thief..

Let's be ohnest about epass, yeh the idea is good, they work most of the time probably ( i have no accounts with them btw) but if there was a better solution out there - ppl would leave by the boatload - we all know this.. but they are the game in town.. Not trying to put down epass - but even they know what the deal is.

JFK 04-05-2007 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12195341)
Truth hurts, huh?

What gets to me, is that someone was dumb enough to have their PC hacked, post the story on boards and now have everyone and their neighbour give Epass shit for this.

The intent was not, or is to Give Epass shit.........kindly read before posting your replies:2 cents: I did NOT blame them at any point:321GFY

DarkJedi 04-05-2007 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 12201594)
The intent was not, or is to Give Epass shit.........kindly read before posting your replies:2 cents: I did NOT blame them at any point:321GFY

I know you didn't but you went to the boards and posted your sob story and now everyone is giving epass the shit for not doing anything about it, when in reality it was your own fault that you got hacked, not Epassporte's.


What was the point of your thread? To let the board know that there are scammers who work in Adult industry? *gasp!*

If you hadn't figured that out after working 5 years in this business, then you are even a bigger moron that i thought.

sperbonzo 04-05-2007 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12201660)
I know you didn't but you went to the boards and posted your sob story and now everyone is giving epass the shit for not doing anything about it, when in reality it was your own fault that you got hacked, not Epassporte's.


What was the point of your thread? To let the board know that there are scammers who work in Adult industry? *gasp!*

If you hadn't figured that out after working 5 years in this business, then you are even a bigger moron that i thought.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen a more idiotic, mean spirited and pointless post on this board ever.

I nominate you as ignorant ranting asshole of the year.

first of all, it's a good warning thread to people that may not realize how easy it is to get hacked at the shows.
Secondly, this thread is legitimate news to people in this industry, most of whom know, like and have great respect for JFK
Thirdly, the ONLY moron I see around here is you.... in that last post.

suesheboy 04-05-2007 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12195182)
This "industry" is made of dumb teenagers, retirees, mental cases, Russians, thieves, bullshitters, and scammers.

Best quote of the year.

If you have Epassport and you don't dump it you are a douche. It is valueless shot to everyone other than Epassport unless you are such a loser you don't have real accounts or have something to hide (such as you are a dumb teenager, retiree, mental case, Russian, thief, bullshitter, or scammer).

suesheboy 04-05-2007 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12195182)
This "industry" is made of dumb teenagers, retirees, mental cases, Russians, thieves, bullshitters, and scammers.

Best quote of the year.

If you have Epassport and you don't dump it you are a douche. It is valueless shit to everyone other than Epassport unless you are such a loser you don't have real accounts or have something to hide (such as you are a dumb teenager, retiree, mental case, Russian, thief, bullshitter, or scammer).

suesheboy 04-05-2007 11:44 AM

Sorry for the dupe post (GFY is so fucking slow sometimes) and I feel for you JFK. You are a hell of a nice guy and I think you are wrong the police should be involved.

and for the fucktard that ripped him off, I hope you get ass raped in jail

tASSy 04-05-2007 11:50 AM

BOO! :mad: :mad: :mad:

JFK 04-05-2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 12201660)
I know you didn't but you went to the boards and posted your sob story and now everyone is giving epass the shit for not doing anything about it, when in reality it was your own fault that you got hacked, not Epassporte's.


What was the point of your thread? To let the board know that there are scammers who work in Adult industry? *gasp!*

If you hadn't figured that out after working 5 years in this business, then you are even a bigger moron that i thought.

1st of all I did not go to the "boards" I went to this BOARD ! In hopes of preventing someone else from getting ripped off, also to put a closure to the theft. Keep on posting your useless drivel, prove to everyone what a winner you really are:thumbsup

dready 04-05-2007 12:10 PM

Not to complain about epass, but I really wish they would add another layer of security so this sort of thing can't happen.

Z 04-05-2007 12:15 PM

I actually heard a couple of kids (19 - 22 or so) sitting behind me in the 1 - 3am breakfast thing talking about doing this kind of thing. I didn't know them and they weren't talking like they were doing it, more kind of "wouldn't it be funny if"? They weren't talking about epass either, but getting user/passes and URLs for access to programs, member lists, billers, etc. Jules, hit me up and I'll describe them to you, though I honestly don't believe they had anything to do with this. They sounded more like a couple of chuckleheads talking about something they wished they could do than anybody who actually had the technical know how or impetus.

Anywhere outside my own home wireless, which is locked down, I use Anonymizer. It is specifically set up to lock down your connection to any wireless network and also bounces you off a few proxies when you get online. It prevents you from using yahoo mail and a few others, but it always makes me feel a lot better about getting into epass, checking stats, etc. because I know some little shit with nothing better to do than dig around other people's computers and steal other people's money is just waiting for me to do something lazy and/or stupid.

I got ripped off in epass for $1800 just before Vegas by some team in Thailand. Chris' assistant made that right by returning the $$ to my account almost immediately. I can't understand why they wouldn't do the same for you, Jules? This money was stolen from you and just like any other credit card provider (pre-paid or not), they should return it to you and charge their insurance for the loss.

Epass is a real asset to our business sometimes, but sometimes they're a real hassle too. Best of luck to you on this one buddy and let's all track these fuckers down. Don't let them know until they show up all greasy smiles to the next show, then introduce them to a whole new world of pain and embarassment before a few years in prison introduces them to the world of ass to mouth and tossing the salad.

JFK 04-05-2007 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z (Post 12202125)
I actually heard a couple of kids (19 - 22 or so) sitting behind me in the 1 - 3am breakfast thing talking about doing this kind of thing. I didn't know them and they weren't talking like they were doing it, more kind of "wouldn't it be funny if"? They weren't talking about epass either, but getting user/passes and URLs for access to programs, member lists, billers, etc. Jules, hit me up and I'll describe them to you, though I honestly don't believe they had anything to do with this. They sounded more like a couple of chuckleheads talking about something they wished they could do than anybody who actually had the technical know how or impetus.

Anywhere outside my own home wireless, which is locked down, I use Anonymizer. It is specifically set up to lock down your connection to any wireless network and also bounces you off a few proxies when you get online. It prevents you from using yahoo mail and a few others, but it always makes me feel a lot better about getting into epass, checking stats, etc. because I know some little shit with nothing better to do than dig around other people's computers and steal other people's money is just waiting for me to do something lazy and/or stupid.

I got ripped off in epass for $1800 just before Vegas by some team in Thailand. Chris' assistant made that right by returning the $$ to my account almost immediately. I can't understand why they wouldn't do the same for you, Jules? This money was stolen from you and just like any other credit card provider (pre-paid or not), they should return it to you and charge their insurance for the loss.

Epass is a real asset to our business sometimes, but sometimes they're a real hassle too. Best of luck to you on this one buddy and let's all track these fuckers down. Don't let them know until they show up all greasy smiles to the next show, then introduce them to a whole new world of pain and embarassment before a few years in prison introduces them to the world of ass to mouth and tossing the salad.


Thanks Z:thumbsup


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