My thoughts...you are WAY off

If I lived by that rule Id never have shot the first scenes of Midori, Anna Malle, Melissa Hill, Anastasia Blue or Raylin...to name a few

LOL wow. Well, yeah recruiting the people working there, isn't a good idea!

i dont know what US law is like, but in the uk the simple fact is that any contract made that wasnt made during the course of illegal activities is enforcable by the courts, so in the uk they could force them to continue working for ya, but what would most likely happen is that they would simply force the girl to pay damages as a result of breaking the contract.

Well said. :thumbsup

The funny thing to me is that most people seem to think this is about stealing models but the specific person that prompted this thread is not, never has been, and never will be a model.

I stopped taking models to shows a long time ago. Not because I was afraid of them being "stolen" from me but because when people find out they are model, all of a sudden they get treated like hookers.

No matter how you spin it, recruiting from within the industry is dumb and can only cause problems. :2 cents:

As usual, you are clueless to the point of the thread.

Yes, there is something wrong with it. It's disrespectful and shady. If a model contacts you and is seeking a better deal, that's different but I'm talking about the assholes like you who approach random girls at shows.

NOTE TO SELF: Never do business with JMM or any companies in his sig.

So lets see. You know nothing about me yet I am an asshole who approaches random girls at shows now?

For the record, I have never approached a girl at a show, but thanks for your keen business insight. Now, would you like to retract that statement or are you going to stand by it and look foolish?

Am I to assume that every girl you have ever approached to model was not, at the time, doing any modeling for anyone else?

I was not referring to girls with solo sites who are under contract with another company. In that regard, I agree with you. However, MOST of the models at shows are just models and not under any type of exclusive or even semi-exclusive contract with anyone so there is NOTHING WRONG with handing them your business card. If you truly cared about any of the girls you shoot, you would want them to be successful in their careers.

Oh, and since we are making brilliant business decisions based on a couple of lines posted on a message board, I send THOUSANDS of dollars in joins to teenrevenue. I guess I should stop doing that now.

NOTE TO SELF: Cut Aaron M some slack because you know that he is smarter than his last post.

Who?

How many of those girls did you recruit from shows after they told you they were already with a different company?


How many of those girls were not models and were attending a show with their boyfriend/husband who is in the industry?

How many of those girls were affiliate reps of adult companies who told they were not interested and yet you still pursued them?

My guess is ZERO and that's who MOIST of the girls at shows are. They are wives, reps, girlfriends of other attendees. People who you are there to meet and potentially do business with. You have ZERO chance of recruiting 99.9% of these girls but more than 50% chance of offending and/or pissing off somebody by doing it.

It's a bad business practice and anybody who thinks otherwise needs to have their head examined.

It is according to Mike South. You may want to keep that in mind if you ever consider doing business with him. :2 cents:

There is a difference between handing a girl a business card and stalking them. On the latter point, I agree with you. No means no. Many of the girls at shows are models. I would think that most who aren't would find it flattering to be asked. At the AVN shows for example, there are over 100 models on the floor, or at least there used to be.

In the future, you might want to count to 10 and take a deep breath before you post. I am the one guy in this industry who has put his money where his mouth is when it comes to the rights of models. I actually made a law protecting models.

Am I supposed to back off you now because you send traffic to TR?

I'm talking about RECRUITING girls from shows. Not shooting models who are openly available. There is a big difference.

I'm not about to retract any statement I've made in this thread for you or anybody else.

And I do know something about you.....You think it's OK to recruit girls from within the industry to model and be pushy about it when told no. How do I know this? Because that's what I'm complaining about and here you are arguing with me about it. That makes you an asshole in my book, no matter how much traffic you have. If you have a problem with my opinions and feel that I am hurting TeenRevenue by posting them then feel free to contact Paolo and cry to him about it directly. Then ask him if you can talk to his girlfriend about modeling and let me know how that goes over. Until then you can eat a bag of shit as far as I am concerned.....

Brilliant post, just brilliant.

Where in your original post did it say ANYTHING about being pushy? Show it to me. It doesn't.

OK, I see now that an intelligent conversation is futile. If you think you can simply bully, go ahead. You don't have the credentials to make a difference.

Anyone who does not want to do business with me because Aaron M said so, please don't. If we are already doing business please ICQ me or email me and I will promptly close your account and send you your final payout.

Have a nice day Aaron doing whatever it is that you do.

my 2 cents for what they are worth... if you see a girl with a badge ... read the company name that is under and go directly to the source and ask them first if they would have a problem with you talking to the girl about shooting with you.

There are plenty of situations where a girl was hired as "booth talent" / "eye candy" ... maybe she is / maybe she isn't in the industry but depending on the work ... might be interested. It's a win - win. the company that hired her will look even better in her eyes by getting her some additional work after the show and you've found a model that after having hung out together you know you can work with easily.

Dank has herpes...

His medicaid wont pay for Valtrex anymore as of 1/1/07

He has been forced to use Acyclivir instead. But its not as effective..

whoops.. wrong thread....

Aron, dont you have a weightloss class to attend?

stfu terrorist.

the voice of reason...

lol someone is trying to be moral in the adult industry

Wow, Brett isn't usually accused of being a voice of reason.

I'm sorry...I was under the impression that you have been reading this thread and keeping up with the conversation. Clearly I was mistaken.

How about if you just shut the fuck up?

Thank you for playing.

You edited this post. Was it to clean up your spelling and grammar?

Don't speak to me that way, you haven't earned the right.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I have the right to speak to you in any way I choose. I'm a rude American, you communist bastard.

Aaron??? Are you forgetting that this business if rife with ass-hats?

LOL...Nope. Just making sure that they all see my sig. :1orglaugh

A-Fucking-Men!

I'm sick to death of people assuming I'm content and tuning out me talking business.

I wouldn't even ask to shoot one content set of a girl someone else had brought, without going through that person. And I kind of expect the same courtesy. Party snapshots are great, but come-to-my-hotel-room-and-get-naked is not. If it is something everyone is cool with, there are some great cross-promo opportunities available via shooting each other's talent, but that can't be achieved by going behind the back of the person who bought the girl's badge.

I've had people badger the hell out of girls I brought to shows, even when the girls were telling guys that they were under contract and wouldn't model for them if they were the last photog on earth. It double sucks when people do that because it makes me (and everyone else) way less likely to bring talent to shows.

wow this thread is quite serious..perhaps there are two sides to this.. one is a girl in the industry (but who never did any modeling, perhaps she is with her boyfriend who is a webmaster): Yes you can recruit, but you will be considered a cheesy frog dick pervert..
Second scenario, she is a model, at the show on someone else dime.. she is free game.. just like any programmer, photographer, business exec etc is always free game. if she happens to be on a contract, there are ways of buying out of a contract or to wait to the contract expires.

Exactly :thumbsup

Good post!! :thumbsup

kinda tough to recruit someone who is already in the biz i think

Please. Lets get real. There is a big difference between hounding someone and simply handing them a business card. If someone is hounding someone, for any reason, then yea, that is over the line. That really has nothing to do with why they are there, or who they are there with, thats just common courtesy.

However, I don't care who paid for the ticket, or the badge, or the hotel room. Nobody is anybody else's property. There is nothing wrong with handing someone a business card and asking them to call you if they are interested in work. That applies to models, affiliate reps, whatever. If they are under contract then they are under contract and there are legal remedies should those contracts be breeched. But if there is no contract, no income guarantee, no understanding of exclusivity, than everyone has a right to do what is best for themselves.

My employees attend shows and walk the floor freely. I take very good care of the people who work for me so I am not concerned that they will jump ship but if someone wants to talk to them, talk away. As human beings, and adults, they are free to speak with whoever they want. If someone makes them a better offer, well good for them, they are free to take it.

Some of you think that simply because someone takes their clothes off for a living they are second class citizens. Pathetic.

There are so many in this business that are really clueless when it comes to any type of business skills/knowledge.

The stories I could tell.

isnt it kind of pimp like to think that a girl belongs to someone. if she's talking and doesnt walk away then shes fair game. if you have to chase her down or hound her, thats just doing shitty business, but its your right.

You replied to where I agreed with Brett, but not to my actual post. Did you read what I wrote? Or did you skip it because it was written by a chick and aren't they all talent and second class citizens or something?

How many people do you generally bring with you or send to a show?

My response was to the ongoing conversation. Please read it again. You might also want to read all the posts that I have made where I state without question that the "chicks" and "talent" are human beings and not someones property. As such, I don't feel a need to ask someones "boss" if I am allowed to talk to that person.

Again, for the last time, hounding someone, regardless of the situation, is OF COURSE over the line. Talking to someone, handing them a business card, letting them know you would love to speak with them further should the opportunity present itself, is nobody's business except the TWO ADULTS in the conversation.

Phoenix Forum I had my key employee there, all by himself, like the big boy that he is, he can handle himself just fine. He is a valuable asset to me and my company and many people know this and I am certain conversations took place. I take very good care of him, however should a better opportunity present itself I would wish him well. Would I be upset at losing him? You bet, but I would move on, no hard feelings to any of the parties involved.

AVN, there were 4. Again, all adults who can think and make decisions for themselves.

I don't see anything wrong with making models or even employees offers. its business.

If you have something better to offer them and you think they could put more dough in your pocket then go for it but not if its going to mess up any good business relationships.

I hate to bump this thread .. but I had to ask this..

You are saying that people who approach models are treating them as "second class citizens." But on the other hand, going to their employers would make them... what? First Class Citizens? ... which is more important? Seems a little backwards to me.

This whole female discrimination thing you brought into this thread is a little twisted.