agreeing with you here.

but i need to point out..that the buildings fell at the speed of gravity which implies there was zero resistance.

there was nothing to offer any resistance..it was all blown up:)

What about Bush actually saying there were bombs?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IM...dmitsbombs.mp3
and transcript from White House website?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060915-2.html

Too many people don't even wanna think outside what they've been fed..

I totally heart you.

this applies if we are looking at things with high resistance

basically everything that is semi round will fall at almost the same speeds


we arent comparing bowling balls and feathers

First thing is Jets do not Use kerosene, the Use either Jet A or Jet B

The amount of plastic and other shit inside the building would give off so much smoke, the kerosene argument is gone.

The speed of gravity has nothing to do iwth the fall, and the argument abot a lemon and a bowling ball is just stupid in this situation.

The building would fall with a constant increase in speed because terminal velocity would never be achieved before all the shit was on the ground.

Now go out and get the tin foils hats, there is a killer asteroid (or is it hemmorhiod) on the way

What about building 7 that fell even though it wasn't hit by a plane? It only had 2 or 3 small fires. It collapsed pankake style, just like the two towers.

Or the fact the both the towers were turned in dust and steel beems were launched into building a couple blocks away. If the building did pancake like they say this couldn't have happened.

Fast forward to minute 44 of the video. I find that the most interesting of the video. Also from minute 55-65 about building#7 and the sensitive information that building was holding...

..the official report doesnt even support the pancake theory, so don't confuse the issue. The buildings fell because weakened floor trusses caused complete structural failure of the outer steel structure.. gravity took care the rest.

yep..building 7 should be the shining beacon in the night..but it is ignored

major investigatioons into very high pwoered people going on in there.

all turned to dust.

funny how everyone WANTS to believe what they believe at any cost... then point out retarded and weak points as "FACT" and redicule people for the exact same behavior they exhibit.

the above statement in bold is a fallacy. Simply not true. The buildings did not fall at the speed of gravity. This is a lie and a fallacy. There is absolutely no accurate measurement of this quantity. You cannot define either the exact moment when the buildings began to fall nor when they stopped falling with ANY degree of accuracy.

That fact that you perpetuate this lie is laughable.

my ofiffical report doesnt support the pancake theory either.

thousands of floor trusses dont give out all at the same time.
especially as there was most likely very little jet fuel inside tbe building and concentrated at those areas to do anything to the trusses which were both fastened by bolts and welded into place.


this whole story doesnt add up...anyone claiming otherwise has got their head stuck in the sand.

why is it that everyone else has their head stuck in the sand for not accepting YOUR version... while you are just reasonable, rational and intelligent for not accepting THEIR version?

here is a clue for you dipshit. the argument exists because their are arguments. YOU chose to summarily dismiss 1/2 of the story to reinforce your own paranoic views... if you were interested in "facts" and "truth" you would be carefully weighing all arguments as carefully as you claim to be weighing your own.

are you for real?

the buildings fell at the speed of gravity..that is now a given amongst everyone

there is no debating this....you can find numerous examples where this is proven....all it takes is a stopwatch and a video of the event.

how about the massive explosions heard rippling through the buildings as a start...then the visual cue as it began falling.
then couple that with the video showing it collapsed into itself 9 -10 seconds later....a few simple calcualtions later...you are not suprised to find out they fell at g

im starting to doubt you actually graduated with the degree you claim

let me throw some names at you and then try to argue back without slinging shit your way..lol


anyway..genius...i would gladly accept any alternative story if it added up.
I have indeed weighed both sides of every argument. What is your official belief?

two planes hit two separate buildings and took down 3 separate buildings?

it must be nice to live in your world

lets try Reason and Logic 101: proving that building 7 was brought down intentionally, does not prove that 1 and 2 were. does not prove a link between the 3 and doesn't prove there was a conspiracy by the US government to fly planes into building 1 and 2 and does not prove why 1 and 2 collapsed.

you are right...building 7 in itself doesnt prove anything.

but it should raise some serious questions.
especially coupled with the fact that all rubble was removed and shipped away to be melted down and never seen again.

a simple investigation into the molten steel at the base of the tower would suffice

why is it hard to accept that it was intentionally demo'ed because it housed a lot of secret shit (CIA, IRS etc) that the federal government did not want rescue and construction workers sifting through? sounds simple to me. sounds like something that could be done with good reason and something that could be expected to be lied about. why wouldn't they lie about it? i would.

that still has nothing to do with the twin towers... you, like all others have to keep bringing building 7 into the argument in a weak attempt to add credibility to the notion that the federal government also destroyed the twin towers, when the simple fact is that they and their demise are totally and completely,...100% not related to building 7.

qualify everyone as "everyone... who believes in 9/11 conspiracy". Saying something over and over and over doesnt make it true.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh 'proven'? For someone who has a degree in a science you seem to have very little respect for the scientific method. You are wrong - there is no video that can identify the exact moments when the buildings began to fall and when they stopped falling. The giant dust cloud created by the collapses completely obscures the view for anything below a couple hundred feet. That is a fact. This is the kind of shitty non-science that all your cracked out theories are based on - and EXATLY why the theories have no validity.

You wrongly assume that the sound of an 'explosion' impllies a bomb. Here's an example. 2 days ago part of a crane fell down at a condo construction site at Wellesley/Jarvis. Nearly all of the surrounding residents reported hearing 'an explosion' or 'something that sounded like a plane crash'. Do you think there was a bomb there too, genius?

Again, your 'calculations' don't fall within any scientifically acceptable confidence interval. To claim the buildings 'fell at the speed of gravity' would require very precise measurments. Measurements with such precision are impossible.

Dude, you are the sheep and the one with your head in the sand. Let it go - find something better to do with your time.

if you guys have not watched this video you cant comment on anything.

what about the workers who worked there? talking about the major reno's going on in the 6 weeks since silverstein took ownership

dust on everything every day they came to work the week leading up to it?
there are just too many facets left unanswered.

i can hope and pray that a real investigation is opened by the next administration

I'm such a sucker for giving you the sig-views. Good on you though, you know how to push buttons and use the board effectively.

well you seem to be doing ok by getting into the mix

id blow up ten towers for the money these miltary contracts got from 9/11

It's been nearly 6 years. If the democrats could've nailed the presidents ass to the wall,I have to believe they would've. Bush will leave office with all the benefits of a retired president and life will go on.

sadly i think you are right :(

i mean..we did need to go to war over there...for the greater good and all that

I propose a truce. In all reality you dont know me and I dont know you - it's all hear-say, speculation and GFY board bullshit. Plus it creates really stupid tension at shows / airports which is unneccessary.

I'll stay off your case as long as we can agree to disagree on all this conspiracy crap.

That is my olive branch.

9-11 is a conspiracy no matter what side of the fence you're on. Either you believe a couple of rag heads with nail clippers took over a few planes and crashed them into sensitive US buildings or this was a black flag operation. I just can't bring myself to believe a couple of guys with basic piloting skills and a nail clippers could have pulled this off. Buuuuuuuuuuuullsheeeeeeeet........

Kooks like Phoenix are why I will NEVER EVER vote for a Democrat again, not even in local elections. Fuck these kooky motherfuckers.

dont let too many other CDN's influence your vote simpleton

What I don't understand is given the poor handling of every aspect of that day, and then the complete lack forensic respect the crime scene was given afterward, how anyone can get totally pissed at people who want real answers to the reasons for this.

I mean, even a month and a half later, the wtc grounds were still being treated unlike any other crime scene. Instead of letting workers try their best to recover the remains of the victims, they impeded the process.
On Nov 2, 2001, Guliani reduced the number of workers who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but he cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once.

Then to make matters worse, they started to remove all the debris like a dump site even fully aware that many bodies of firefighters, wtc workers, etc.
were in that pile? Why? How is that acceptable?

So asking some of these questions shouldn't outrage people as much as they
should be outraged at how this became the most fucked up
and poorly managed crime scene ever.

And for those that don't know, the real heroes of 9-11, the firefighters, are still to this day not big fans of Guliani, (Time's "Person of the Year 2001".)

OMFG, Phoenix can you kill your self?!?! please??

uh no

but thanks for showing your vast intellect and wit in here.

........in case you missed it.

Is it a giant conspiracy to want answers to some of these mishandled
events? I mean actual credible answers to why certain decisions were made
and why no one has been fired or reprimanded for these failures?

no worries steve

take it easy

I think the response to something that dramatic and tragic was quite heroic by all parties involved. To diminish that is a fucking disgrace.

no one cares about or are upset at people "wanting answers" - people get annoyed at those people that "want a government conspiracy" irrespective of the answers that have been given.

I don't find it surprising at all that a tall building that just had a plane crash into it, jet fuel burning, multiple fires everywhere..... would have explosions happening moments before it fell.

If I recall correctly one of the first things that happened when one of the planes hit in one of the buildings was a elevator came crashing down into the lobby and spit out a nice fire ball at ground level. I would imagine there were fires on many different levels of the building. And God only knows what was in the WTC at different levels that could explode.

I don't remember when the third building fell - if it was after the towers or not. But the building was on fire and who knows what fell from the towers into or onto the third building.

And if the third building - Wasn't it called WTC7? - fell after the towers, well, that should come as no surprise. Just the ground movement from the millions of tons of debris falling combined with the debris itself and then the shock wave is more than enough to take down a building - or at least weaken it to the point where it could still fall hours later.

WTC 7 had less damage than some other buildings in the area.
The other buildings in the wtc complex, buildings 4, 5 and 6, stood despite suffering damage of all kinds, including fire.

I mean, everyone is free to guess what could have brought wtc 7 down, but it sure is pointless.

I should add also, that the collapsing of WTC 7 isn't just somewhat mysterious
even too engineers. It also happened to fall exactly like wtc 1 + 2 did.