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12clicks 04-14-2007 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dsatchell (Post 12253930)
So this is WAY beyond me but I had a thought a couple of months ago and maybe you could explain this to me.

Our perception of things is affected by our speed. So what is the ralative net affect of the idea that people on earth are all moving at the same speed (or close enough). But we are on a rotating planet, going around a sun, that is moving around a galaxy, that is moving through a universe that has several galaxies.

As too what exactly do I mean? I already said this was WAY beyond me!

David.

this is where most of these theories including Einstiens fall apart.
Perception has no place in science. "relativity" is a concept that doesn't hold water.
the speed of light *is*
time *is* it doesn't matter if the human perception of it has changed, time itself has not.

dakota1358 04-14-2007 06:33 PM

Does this mean I can download porn faster?

$5 submissions 04-14-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12254058)
this is where most of these theories including Einstiens fall apart.
Perception has no place in science. "relativity" is a concept that doesn't hold water.
the speed of light *is*
time *is* it doesn't matter if the human perception of it has changed, time itself has not.

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (published in 1927) ?

$5 submissions 04-14-2007 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dakota1358 (Post 12254059)
Does this mean I can download porn faster?

Eventually yes, as soon as "sculpted light" is commercialized. It will take a while. Then again, given how fast semiconductor speed ramps up and if there's a huge enough market, the timeframe will probably be sooner rather than later.

candyflip 04-14-2007 06:49 PM

Just? Says she did it in 1998.

12clicks 04-14-2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 12254122)
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (published in 1927) ?

as I said, the perception is not the reality. Man's ability to measure may improve his perception but it does not alter or change that which is.

GigoloMason 04-14-2007 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12254138)
as I said, the perception is not the reality. Man's ability to measure may improve his perception but it does not alter or change that which is.

Actually that's demonstrabally false :) :2 cents: Or more accuratly the biggest disconnect between Newtonian and Quantum physics.

And whoever posted this really needs to re-read what einstein actually wrote before slamming it, as what this lady demonstrated has nothing to do with Einstein's claims. In any event parts of einstein's theories have been proven wrong\incomplete before.

Shit all you need to prove you can change the speed of light is a glass lense.

Ace_luffy 04-14-2007 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook (Post 12251262)

that's really great nice posture.....:)

12clicks 04-14-2007 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GigoloMason (Post 12254180)
In any event parts of einstein's theories have been proven wrong\incomplete before.

yes, dick, over icecream. I did it. :winkwink:

Linkster 04-14-2007 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12254058)
Perception has no place in science. "relativity" is a concept that doesn't hold water.
the speed of light *is*
time *is* it doesn't matter if the human perception of it has changed, time itself has not.

And like Mason posted - this is where your "theory" falls apart - the speed of light *is not* :) - it is only based on mans' ability to measure using the best instruments (and the most accurate) that he has at that particular time in history - using the tools that are available today (pulse lasers and atomic clocks) we still see the effect of the slowing down of the rotation of the earth (an effect of the tides/oceans movements) causing the measurement of a second changing slightly - therefore it IS all relative

If you want to go to the philosophical side of things and say that time is a constant but mans ability to measure it changes daily - then I would say you have a good argument - but that has nothing to do with his perception - just his limitations :)

GigoloMason 04-14-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12254230)
yes, dick, over icecream. I did it. :winkwink:

12stein? :) Naw to jewish heheheh

12clicks 04-14-2007 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GigoloMason (Post 12254243)
12stein? :) Naw to jewish heheheh

pronounce it "stine" and not "steen" and I'll be ok.

$5 submissions 04-14-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 12254258)
pronounce it "stine" and not "steen" and I'll be ok.

This reminds me of that early segment in "Young Frankenstein."

It's pronounced "FrankenSTEEN"...

"EYEgore" please.. not "EEgor"

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

12clicks 04-14-2007 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 12254362)
This reminds me of that early segment in "Young Frankenstein."

It's pronounced "FrankenSTEEN"...

"EYEgore" please.. not "EEgor"

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

dude, it makes all the difference

jmk 04-14-2007 07:46 PM

Never say never ?

GigoloMason 04-14-2007 08:04 PM

Just in case you're actually interested ;)

Stanford Confirms it with particle accelerators.
http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/th...elativity.html

In particle accelerators, particles are moving very close to the speed of light where the length and time effects are large. This has allowed us to clearly verify that length contraction and time dilation do occur.

GPS Satellites operation also confirms it:
http://www.physicscentral.com/writers/2000/will.html

But at 38 microseconds per day, the relativistic offset in the rates of the satellite clocks is so large that, if left uncompensated, it would cause navigational errors that accumulate faster than 10 km per day! GPS accounts for relativity by electronically adjusting the rates of the satellite clocks, and by building mathematical corrections into the computer chips which solve for the user's location. Without the proper application of relativity, GPS would fail in its navigational functions within about 2 minutes.

Hafele and Keating Experiment with atomic clocks on airplanes:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...iv/airtim.html

These results provide an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock "paradox" with macroscopic clocks."

$5 submissions 04-15-2007 04:43 AM

Nice find, Mason!:thumbsup

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Originally Posted by GigoloMason (Post 12254465)
Just in case you're actually interested ;)

Stanford Confirms it with particle accelerators.
http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/th...elativity.html

In particle accelerators, particles are moving very close to the speed of light where the length and time effects are large. This has allowed us to clearly verify that length contraction and time dilation do occur.

GPS Satellites operation also confirms it:
http://www.physicscentral.com/writers/2000/will.html

But at 38 microseconds per day, the relativistic offset in the rates of the satellite clocks is so large that, if left uncompensated, it would cause navigational errors that accumulate faster than 10 km per day! GPS accounts for relativity by electronically adjusting the rates of the satellite clocks, and by building mathematical corrections into the computer chips which solve for the user's location. Without the proper application of relativity, GPS would fail in its navigational functions within about 2 minutes.

Hafele and Keating Experiment with atomic clocks on airplanes:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...iv/airtim.html

These results provide an unambiguous empirical resolution of the famous clock "paradox" with macroscopic clocks."



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