yeh i see the logic 100% there, but im going purely by statistics.

obviously england has a different culture thats not like americas one bit, but since guns have been banned there hasnt been one.

sure there has been gun crime, but no school shootings.

damn this is fucked up :(

i dont see any problem in that :2 cents:

it may only be a matter of time, but its best if its slowed down.

I don't really believe you. Do you mean point and pull the trigger? How much handgun training have you had? One class and you wouldn't make comments like people would start shooting each other when a crazy guy starts shooting them. If one of the 32 was a family member of yours, you probably wish they would have had a gun.

Hmm weren't you recently concerned about that prostitute killer in your area? ? hmmm

Would you bet a million dollars that that there will not ever be another one, thanks to the law? Would you bet your life on it? The governments sure are willing to bet our lives on it.

When did I say it was ONLY in America?? not once.

It's not even worth arguing scardog, he won't listen.

If anyone person in any of those classes had a firearm, they would have made a difference. Bottom line.

Legally, a law abiding citizen cannot carry a firearm on campus.

Which makes everyone an easy target.

Absolutely, I agree. But your statement came across as if it wasn't EVER going to happen again...which simply isn't true.

these idiots only know about stuff that happens on the news. plus they are envious of usa, not africa. so why hate on africa?

not really surprised to hear that . . . Donny, are you listening?

Well you'll admit thats the general feel of the thread from most non Americans..

You are 100 percent fucking wrong!

So the local police can't come on campus? I HATE FUCKING PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP SHIT SO THEY CAN MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE A FUCKING CLUE.

Which leads me to look at all your posts as being not aboveboard.

Yet the shooter had a gun on campus. Damn, there was a law against it, how could that happen?


























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I know Anthony. Such ignorance, makes me pipe up, when I should just let it go.

killing 6 people in the period of a week is not like killing 32 in one day:2 cents:

i dont want to get in a shit slinging match, this isnt the thread to be honest, but statistics imply that our law has worked. there hasnt been one since, that scottish maniac

obviously it can be argued that england are a more peaceful nation and it wasnt the law at all

but for some american asian kid to find a gun in england would be hard, I have never been offered a gun in my life nor would have no idea where to get one, take america, all u have to do is break into a house and statistaclly every 3rd house u rob will have one, or something ludicrus like that :Oh crap

Sure .... Guns for students,


and XM8 for teachers ... better give your paper on time....

http://world.guns.ru/assault/xm8.jpg

I think the feeling is it seems to happen ALOT more in the US than anywhere else.

The fact that he (so we are hearing) is Asian-American is beside the point. Regardless of his race, he obviously had issues with someone at the university. I'm always confused when race becomes a part of the topic. Who cares?

sticky fingerz have u ever watched that michael moore film? i know hes an asshole but some intersting facts and figures come across. you have got to admit, america HAS a problem on their hands.

Local police to me work for the gov. Any type of law enforcement to me is gov related. It's all I meant.

What happens *ALOT* more?

Shootings in schools or people getting shot?

Maybe you missed it over your own noise...

Shootings in places like SCHOOLS, POST OFFICES, GOVERMENT BUILDINGS, and the like happen because LAWFUL CITIZENS WITH THE LEGAL RIGHT TO CARRY FIREARMS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO IN THOSE AFOREMENTIONED AREAS.

So if you were gonna go on a shooting spree, where would you go?

I tell you this, because you are obviously ignorant of the fact.

I'm guessing the loved ones of those 6 people couldn't care less how many other people were killed the same day. In fact, I doubt the loved ones of the people killed today could care less how many other people were killed. In both cases, their loved ones are gone. Don't trivialize one over the other, especially to justify your position. If ONE person was killed today, that was one too many.

No shit.

I was just catching the news and I dont think I have enough fingers on my hands to count the number of times they kept repeating "Execution style!!", like they were selling some fucking action movie. Seems to be their new favorite phrase.

Could of made a drinking game out of it, its ridiculous. Tragedy is their bread and butter. And people think the adult industry is scum.... we got nothing on broadcast media.

Drinking and driving is a MUCH bigger problem. Maybe we should make it illegal to drink and drive and the problem goes away?

MSNBC says 31 confirmed dead including gunman.

YOU SAID FEDERAL GOVERMENT. How much more shit did you make up to bolster your worthless posts?

So you are telling me, that you don't know the difference between the federal, local, or state goverment, but yet want us to believe you know what you are talking about?

I'm done with you.

Whatever.

Let's be clear. This stuff does NOT happen all the time.

1:15 Pacific Time, President Bush is going to address the country about this tragedy.

6 prostitues murdered or 32 college people murdered? its hard not to justify which laws are fucked up surely?

Unless you are Platinum Bryan, then it always happens *mostly* in the US.

////./.... hahhaa you have got to be kidding me!

are you saying LAWS dont work?! they dont take down numbers.


if drink driving was allowed there would be 50x the deaths there are

surely you can understand that?!

all im saying is america should ban guns. it would REDUCE this problem

You got to be fucking kidding me.

So those 6 prostitutes lives were worth less than the 32 today?

In case you missed it the first time.

1 life is TOO MANY.

Michael Moore serves a purpose. Bringing something to our attention. That's where it should end. Watch his movies, then do your own research and see how accurate he portrays his cause in his movies.

For example...

http://www.leftwatch.com/archives/ye...02/000117.html

More disturbingly, Forbes alleges that Moore staged another involving a Traverse City, Michigan, bank that offered a gun as a promotional enticement for opening an account. The film shows Moore entering the bank, completing the necessary financial transaction, and walking out with his gun.

But, in fact, according to Forbes the way the promotion worked is that the customer had to buy a long term CD, then go to a local gun shop, fill out paperwork and pass a background check, and then obtain the gun from the gun shop after the necessary waiting period.

Not everything is as it seems...especially in Michael Moore documentaries.

yes but it happens alot more in america than it does anywhere in the world

BAN GUNS and REDUCE THE PROBLEM.

I'm saying laws can't stop this shit anymore than it can stop drunk driving, or drug use. Laws against citizens carrying allows crazies to shoot unarmed people. He can be pretty darn sure nobody on campus has a gun.

you are missing the point completely, you are way over your head calm down.:helpme

what im arguing about is that laws should be changed! not about the quality of whose life is better!

ffs

you are obviously missing what I am saying. Anyways, enjoy your little debate. I'm out

Im betting the 6 dead people dont feel that way...

You said one per day right? Was the person caught? What if they weren't and killed one a day for a month? Same total as today. What if they killed one a day for a year? TEN times the total. I don't see one being any better than the other.

What happened today was horrible, but make no mistake, it could happen anywhere in the world...ANYWHERE. Anyone thinking any different will be proved wrong someday.

well i am saying it can.

I cannot believe alot of you idiots

A) the issue is some nut killing people, not the guns killing people.
B) i dont care where you are in the world if you really want to obtain a gun you can and will.

You might want to do some research before making statments like this.

Because you are wrong.

Might want to look up Brazil when you get a chance.

You go ahead and give up your right to own a gun. We here in the states will continue to fight for ours. Our right to own guns is in our constitution, as to limit the power of the federal government, not for hunting. Criminals love unarmed victims. You may live in a place where everyone loves one another. I live in a place where people break into your house and kill you for your stuff.

and what im saying ronaldo, is that it is happening more in america than any other country!

this isnt my opinion man, this is fact!

brazil - 3rd world country.

I'm over my head? You haven't proven anything yet worthwhile in this thread.

If that was what you meant, how hard was it to type it out the first time?

I hate people who make up facts, I hate people who try to back track after it's get pointed out how stupid they are.

Bowling for columbine? Umm ya Ive seen it, and seen nearly every fact totally debunked. Was another money making opportunity for him to collect financially off people dying. I hate that fat fucker.

Very very sad. April seems like a prime month for this stuff for some reason.

Actually I said "federal agent" Local police are paid by the state, which to me makes them an agent of the gov.

How I worded it should not matter much, everyone getting all huffy puffy and name calling and everything. All I was saying is students cannot carry guns, so the theory of "if a lot of the students had guns this would have ended sooner" idea.

Do I hate guns no, do I think they are out of control yes, I think most people would agree there. Should people be allowed to own them, sure thing.