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Michaelious 04-18-2007 01:17 PM
I just think he quicker they have gun control the better

Anthony 04-18-2007 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 12275080)
So standing 10 feet away from somene and pulling a trigger is the same as the bloody mess that you have to be less than 1-2 feet away from the person to commit? Also i don't need a gun to cut up my carrots.
It takes a really sick individual to look their victim in the eyes when they stab them, feel their blook soaking the hand holding the knife, and knowing up front that they are taking a life. It definately is easier with a gun. That's why it was created.

While both are spatially diverse, they both can accomplish the same thing, killing someone.

I don't use any of my guns to cut up carrots either, they weren't created for that. Knives have multiple uses, but at the end of the day, it can be used to take a life.

Webby 04-18-2007 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12274079)
Canadians with all due respect, you have your culture and we have ours, you let us worry about our culture mmkay?
You dreaming again Splum???? Wot culture??? *lol*

jalami 04-18-2007 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 12274069)
Most gun owners do not fall under the catagory "a well regulated milita" but i am not for "banning" guns or even more gun control. I think as canadians, a country who has a lot of guns (not assualt rifles) but very little gun deaths, you guys should maybe open your ears a little bit.
The phrase "a well regulated militia" is kind of deceiving because it has a different meaning in the 21st century than it did in the 18th. The word "regulated" doesn't quite mean the same thing, and a "militia" is defined in the U.S. Code as males over 17.

Webby 04-18-2007 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffrey (Post 12274951)
Maybe you should stop compairing direct number with a country that has 10x the population, and where the cities are more then 2x as densly populated.

Per capita there are almost more gun deaths in Canada then the USA, when you take into account that the US is much more densely populated you would expect more violent gun crimes as there is more conflict.
Mmmm.. not quite accurate jeffrey :-) The US has more gun deaths than Canada, the EU in total and Japan grouped together.

Murder by guns is over five times higher in the US than in Canada.

Anthony 04-18-2007 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 12275089)
To me this proves the "if you have it you'll use it" theory. Most likely more people have knives than guns and therefore it follows that they are used more. The thing with knives is that they serve a purpose beyond stabbing and slashing people; where as guns serve only limited purpose - obviously being to kill or wound someone(if you are carrying a gun in the general public). Not to mention it is easier to conceal a knife than a gun and they are easier to access too (I became an expert in operating a knife while working at a camping store when in university...I guarantee that I can get my knife open and out of my pocket before a potential shooter could draw his gun). Moreover, a knife is more effective at close range. So it makes sense that knives are responsible for more deaths than guns. That said, a knife is never really going to be a mass murderers choice of weapon because it is too intimate. And those are the people that start these debates, not the guy who killed one person. The fact remains that guns are more dangerous than knives and they serve a more narrow purpose than a knife and therefore as a society I think we need to look into this problem.
Great retort.

There are some bars in BC, Canada, that say on the door, "No Knives" allowed.

When I went through training with my firearm in the early 90's for the goverment, it was always against an assailant with an edge weapon before we went into fire fights. A knife can be pulled out and used within 15 feet faster than I can pull out of a holster and fire. It's actually quite scary.

At the point in our society, we cannot ban the guns. In another thread regarding guns, D posted an excellent breakdown on guns and the American Pysche. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...1&postcount=11

This is a problem where the solution is out of our grasp.

_Richard_ 04-18-2007 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 12275089)
To me this proves the "if you have it you'll use it" theory. Most likely more people have knives than guns and therefore it follows that they are used more. The thing with knives is that they serve a purpose beyond stabbing and slashing people; where as guns serve only limited purpose - obviously being to kill or wound someone(if you are carrying a gun in the general public). Not to mention it is easier to conceal a knife than a gun and they are easier to access too (I became an expert in operating a knife while working at a camping store when in university...I guarantee that I can get my knife open and out of my pocket before a potential shooter could draw his gun). Moreover, a knife is more effective at close range. So it makes sense that knives are responsible for more deaths than guns. That said, a knife is never really going to be a mass murderers choice of weapon because it is too intimate. And those are the people that start these debates, not the guy who killed one person. The fact remains that guns are more dangerous than knives and they serve a more narrow purpose than a knife and therefore as a society I think we need to look into this problem.
:thumbsup :thumbsup

Splum 04-18-2007 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12275135)
You dreaming again Splum???? Wot culture??? *lol*
You are right my bad, Canada doesnt have a culture. :thumbsup

Splum 04-18-2007 02:05 PM
You cannucks are some loud mouthed motherfuckers arent you? I can see why, its gotta be fucking absolutely boring up there. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Bryan G 04-18-2007 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12275498)
You cannucks are some loud mouthed motherfuckers arent you? I can see why, its gotta be fucking absolutely boring up there. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
ya its really boring up here nothing going on in Toronto. Nothing at all. Another shining example of how brilliant you are. Cheers for that!

Webby 04-18-2007 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12275488)
You are right my bad, Canada doesnt have a culture. :thumbsup
Na... yet again you got it wrong. You are an obvious joke to be even using the word culture - living proof there is no culture in the US :winkwink:

CDSmith 04-18-2007 02:28 PM
I suppose many Canadians like to talk about US social issues like this one because such issues are often part and parcel with our own similar problems in Canada. The USA has a huge effect on Canada in certain ways, and what happens in the US and what major changes might be instituted does often affect Canada and Canadians.

As for THIS Canadian, I have always supported the right to bear arms and one's right to own a firearm for protection. I don't presently own one but I would like to think that if I ever again decide to get one that I can.

I may one day buy a house in a rural community or a cabin and live there full time, and if so I will certainly be wanting to keep a firearm or two on the premises. For one thing you never know when a bear will come around and get violent on your front door. Some of you might be content to try and shoo away a pissed off 400 lb bear with a pushbroom but not me.

:D

_Richard_ 04-18-2007 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12275675)
I suppose many Canadians like to talk about US social issues like this one because such issues are often part and parcel with our own similar problems in Canada. The USA has a huge effect on Canada in certain ways, and what happens in the US and what major changes might be instituted does often affect Canada and Canadians.

As for THIS Canadian, I have always supported the right to bear arms and one's right to own a firearm for protection. I don't presently own one but I would like to think that if I ever again decide to get one that I can.

I may one day buy a house in a rural community or a cabin and live there full time, and if so I will certainly be wanting to keep a firearm or two on the premises. For one thing you never know when a bear will come around and get violent on your front door. Some of you might be content to try and shoo away a pissed off 400 lb bear with a pushbroom but not me.

:D
you'll be happy to know, as a canadian, that you'll be able to have one when you move into that log cabin of yours! thanks!

R

Webby 04-18-2007 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12275675)
For one thing you never know when a bear will come around and get violent on your front door. Some of you might be content to try and shoo away a pissed off 400 lb bear with a pushbroom but not me.

:D
I've always had this problem with the wildlife CDS :) May not be a bear, but big cats (jaguars etc) have a tendency to get violent on the front door when ya don't answer it :pimp

mattz 04-18-2007 02:34 PM
lol thanks for a good laugh but gun control would do absolutly NOTHING, hey drugs are banned what good did that do except make the problem a lot worse. If guns are banned in America, their will still be a way for the average person to get one

evildick 04-18-2007 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffrey (Post 12274951)

You can get many DE guns, just not the short barreled ones.
Ya, I know I can get one, but the laws they have in place are so strict that it makes it not even worth the effort. They basically regulate all the fun out of it. I own lots of farm land, if I were to buy a handgun I can't even go outside and shoot it. I have to go to a gun range that allows restricted weapons. I think the closest one is an hour away.

Pretty stupid, considering I can go outside and legally shoot off one of my rifles, which would most likely still be lethal to my neighbour if I decided to pop one off towards his front door, unlike the handguns.

JaneB 04-18-2007 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mattz (Post 12275741)
lol thanks for a good laugh but gun control would do absolutly NOTHING, hey drugs are banned what good did that do except make the problem a lot worse. If guns are banned in America, their will still be a way for the average person to get one
Good point. If a person really wants something they will find a way to get it. It is so easy to find drugs here. If they did put more restrictions on guns here, people will just buy them illegally. It is not like it would be hard to do. As for Canada, a lot of Americans order their drugs without a perscription from a doctor from your online pharmacies. So maybe you guys should worry about that. Your country is allowing people to buy drugs illegally and then mail it to the US. I see these websites on the internet all the time. I guess it is ok to just hand out drugs to people freely, but god forbid we have guns over here.

gideongallery 04-18-2007 02:50 PM
ok i am a canadian who believes that there should not be any additional gun control laws simply because so far there has not been a single gun death that would not have been prevented by enforcing the laws currently on the books.

RawAlex 04-18-2007 02:52 PM
Jane, most of those "Canadian pharmacies" are located in India and various Caribbean islands.

Perhaps you would like to spend a moment reviewing Canadian versus US crime stats regarding violent crimes with weapons?

Anyway, I would rather than we hand medication to people to make them health instead of giving them a way to kill their classmates and neighbors.

baddog 04-18-2007 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll (Post 12274333)
which is why america is where it is today. You seem to think canadians are mexicans in sweaters. You're dead wrong.
Mexicans don't wear sweaters

JaneB 04-18-2007 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12275877)
Jane, most of those "Canadian pharmacies" are located in India and various Caribbean islands.

Perhaps you would like to spend a moment reviewing Canadian versus US crime stats regarding violent crimes with weapons?

Anyway, I would rather than we hand medication to people to make them health instead of giving them a way to kill their classmates and neighbors.

You don't even know if these people need the drugs. You don't have to have a doctor's perscription. So if I wanted to buy some Valium for the hell of it, I could. I could buy Prozac, Paxil, Xanax, etc. Giving drugs to people that do not need them is not helping them. It is helping them to start an addiction, and giving them a place to keep buying the drugs. Fuck, that is worse then the gun issue. Plus I looked at the addresses on some of these websites, they are located in Canada, not the other countries you listed.

Crime also happens when people are on drugs. Your country allowing anyone to buy drugs does not help this issue.

LiveDose 04-18-2007 02:58 PM
I love my guns and will never give them up...

Kevsh 04-18-2007 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12274012)
In all these "gun control" threads today I see a bunch of Canadians telling American citizens that America should ban guns. Its fucking cracking me up.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
That's probably because Canadians and the majority of the world scratch our heads wondering why you haven't woken up yet?

:upsidedow

FetishTom 04-18-2007 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mattz (Post 12275741)
lol thanks for a good laugh but gun control would do absolutly NOTHING,
Except in countries with gun control you have a much lower gun death ratio so...kind of makes you wonder what would happen if they did introduce tighter controls because as I said previously the current situation is really not working for you is it?

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hey drugs are banned what good did that do except make the problem a lot worse.
Well drugs induce a chemical dependancy whereas guns, at least last time I looked, do not I mean crackwhores yes....WaltherPPKwhores no

Plus when was the last time a gun toting NRA supporter came out in favour of legalising drugs? Like you going to get good old Charlton Heston waving a syringe around and saying 'out of my cold dead hands'

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If guns are banned in America, their will still be a way for the average person to get one
Now this is the kicker why does your average American want a gun? Seriously why? Why do you want to carry, hold, possess, own something which has only one purpose namely to kill people? The civilised western world by and large gets along quite well without feeling the need to arm themselves against their fellow citizens. Yet in the US you feel the opposite. Your wish is granted and you end up with the highest gun death ratio in the western world. And yet you ban fireworks in case they hurt people. Like duh!?

_Richard_ 04-18-2007 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12275886)
Mexicans don't wear sweaters
left field! but i'm sure one or two do.. what are you getting at? sorry..

JaneB 04-18-2007 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FetishTom (Post 12275943)
Except in countries with gun control you have a much lower gun death ratio so...kind of makes you wonder what would happen if they did introduce tighter controls because as I said previously the current situation is really not working for you is it?



Well drugs induce a chemical dependancy whereas guns, at least last time I looked, do not I mean crackwhores yes....WaltherPPKwhores no

Plus when was the last time a gun toting NRA supporter came out in favour of legalising drugs? Like you going to get good old Charlton Heston waving a syringe around and saying 'out of my cold dead hands'



Now this is the kicker why does your average American want a gun? Seriously why? Why do you want to carry, hold, possess, own something which has only one purpose namely to kill people? The civilised western world by and large gets along quite well without feeling the need to arm themselves against their fellow citizens. Yet in the US you feel the opposite. Your wish is granted and you end up with the highest gun death ratio in the western world. And yet you ban fireworks in case they hurt people. Like duh!?


First off we do not say "like Duh". So please do not try and talk like an American, you sound stupid. Secondly if people over here want a gun it is none of your business, you do not live here. So really you should worry about your countries own problems. Canadians need to worry about their own issues such as health care. Then you would not need to come over to the US and have your medical procedures done because you are on a two year waiting list.

FetishTom 04-18-2007 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 12275982)
First off we do not say "like Duh". So please do not try and talk like an American, you sound stupid. Secondly if people over here want a gun it is none of your business, you do not live here. So really you should worry about your countries own problems. Canadians need to worry about their one issues such as health care. Then you would not need to come over to the US and have your medical procedures done because you are on a two year waiting list.
Well you could at least have had a stab at answering one of my points. And as I am not Canadian nor live in Canada or even actually ever been to Canada not entirely sure why you dragged in the Canadian Health service or indeed why I should worry about it

Anyway back to my points...

jeffrey 04-18-2007 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12275164)
Mmmm.. not quite accurate jeffrey :-) The US has more gun deaths than Canada, the EU in total and Japan grouped together.
Suicide by firearm accounts for almost 17k deaths in the US.
Most stats I see keep the sicides in.
I believe that its close to half the total deaths by firearm in the US.
Japan has very strict gun laws, (or maybe its china), strict enough that it should mean there is zero gun deaths, but thats not the case at all.

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Originally Posted by evildick (Post 12275830)
Ya, I know I can get one, but the laws they have in place are so strict that it makes it not even worth the effort. They basically regulate all the fun out of it. I own lots of farm land, if I were to buy a handgun I can't even go outside and shoot it. I have to go to a gun range that allows restricted weapons. I think the closest one is an hour away.

Pretty stupid, considering I can go outside and legally shoot off one of my rifles, which would most likely still be lethal to my neighbour if I decided to pop one off towards his front door, unlike the handguns.
Ya and putting a magazine limit of 10 rounds doesnt make any sence, make the people that follow the law only have 10 rounds, but let the criminals take 30 seconds to take the plug out and have a full capacity mag. Not all that logical.

And ya, I dont get how you cant shoot a pistol on private land even. I can take my high powered rifles that are acculate to 1000 meters (not always with me shooting though) and shoot them from the view of busy roads, but I cant take a .22 pistol into a secluded area and play around with it.

RawAlex 04-18-2007 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 12275908)
You don't even know if these people need the drugs. You don't have to have a doctor's perscription. So if I wanted to buy some Valium for the hell of it, I could. I could buy Prozac, Paxil, Xanax, etc. Giving drugs to people that do not need them is not helping them. It is helping them to start an addiction, and giving them a place to keep buying the drugs. Fuck, that is worse then the gun issue. Plus I looked at the addresses on some of these websites, they are located in Canada, not the other countries you listed.

Crime also happens when people are on drugs. Your country allowing anyone to buy drugs does not help this issue.
To quote Saturday night live "Jane, you ignorant sl-t".

1) You cannot legally obtain medicine in Canada without a prescription.
2) A prescription from a US doctor is acceptable.
3) So what? Please give me a list of all deaths in the US because some poor uninsured american purchased drugs with their doctor's prescription from Canada (answer, well, none that I am aware of).

The risks of drugs is the same in the US and Canada. You are attempting to divert the discussion away from the American's total blind love of personal killing machines, and turn it into a debate about americans being forced to come to Canada for medication because your government spends too much time protecting gun owners and not enough time protecting the sick and the elderly.

Wow. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Let me guess. You own a gun, right? Thought so.

RawAlex 04-18-2007 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffrey (Post 12276196)
Suicide by firearm accounts for almost 17k deaths in the US.
Most stats I see keep the sicides in.
I believe that its close to half the total deaths by firearm in the US.
Japan has very strict gun laws, (or maybe its china), strict enough that it should mean there is zero gun deaths, but thats not the case at all.
Japan has such strict gun laws that the resent assassination of a town mayor at the hands of a Yukaza (mob) leader was pretty much worldwide news. Gun crime is very, very low in Japan.

Suicides? They got plenty. But you can kill yourself with drain cleaner, car exhaust, or, hell, too much water (see hold your wee for a wii contest). If people want to die, or want to kill someone, they will find a way.

However, in the current circumstance, you can be pretty sure that this student would not have been able to kill 32 people and wound countless others with a hunting knife or a bottle of drain cleaner.

Guns have two purposes. Killing people or making them think you are going to kill them. There are no other uses for a handgun that I am aware of. The world would be a better place without them.

BlackCrayon 04-18-2007 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12276481)
To quote Saturday night live "Jane, you ignorant sl-t".

1) You cannot legally obtain medicine in Canada without a prescription.
2) A prescription from a US doctor is acceptable.
3) So what? Please give me a list of all deaths in the US because some poor uninsured american purchased drugs with their doctor's prescription from Canada (answer, well, none that I am aware of).

The risks of drugs is the same in the US and Canada. You are attempting to divert the discussion away from the American's total blind love of personal killing machines, and turn it into a debate about americans being forced to come to Canada for medication because your government spends too much time protecting gun owners and not enough time protecting the sick and the elderly.

Wow. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Let me guess. You own a gun, right? Thought so.
yep, jane can't be too bright. because some spam site has a canadian address listed it must be coming from canada, lol.

JaneB 04-18-2007 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 12276721)
yep, jane can't be too bright. because some spam site has a canadian address listed it must be coming from canada, lol.
You are not that bright. I was not referring to spam e-mails moron. It is easy to find the pharmacies online that are in Canada selling prescription drugs without a doctor's prescription. It is from Canada, so maybe you show know what you are talking about before you open your uneducated mouth. Anyone with a brain knows Canada sells drugs like candy.

Splum 04-18-2007 06:06 PM
I guess Canadians cant fucking read either, I said SHUT THE FUCK UP about USA gun control. No American really CARES what the fuck you cannucks have to say.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

JaneB 04-18-2007 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12276481)
To quote Saturday night live "Jane, you ignorant sl-t".

1) You cannot legally obtain medicine in Canada without a prescription.
2) A prescription from a US doctor is acceptable.
3) So what? Please give me a list of all deaths in the US because some poor uninsured american purchased drugs with their doctor's prescription from Canada (answer, well, none that I am aware of).

The risks of drugs is the same in the US and Canada. You are attempting to divert the discussion away from the American's total blind love of personal killing machines, and turn it into a debate about americans being forced to come to Canada for medication because your government spends too much time protecting gun owners and not enough time protecting the sick and the elderly.

Wow. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Let me guess. You own a gun, right? Thought so.


Wow you must be really old to know that line from SNL. That was over 25 years ago. I did answer your question. I also don't see why you care if you do not live in the USA. What goes on here is not your concern. If we love our guns, so be it. If you don't like it, don't come here. The gun laws are not going to change anytime soon. I highly doubt anyone in this thread is going to solve the gun control issue. Fighting about it on here is really stupid.

You are also wrong on the way to get drugs. There are plenty of sites online that are in Canada that do not require a doctor's prescription. So yes, can can legally obtain drugs from Canada without a prescription. They are not hard to find online if you actually look.

JaneB 04-18-2007 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12276925)
I guess Canadians cant fucking read either, I said SHUT THE FUCK UP about USA gun control. No American really CARES what the fuck you cannucks have to say.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Not only that but they really think that you have to have a prescription to get drugs from their online pharmacies. Shit everyone here knows that is not that case. They have a lot of sites that you need no prescription to get any kind of drugs you want. We may love guns, but they are the drug dealers of the world. LOL

Spunky 04-18-2007 06:14 PM
Who the fuck cares,I'm Canadian and if you guys want to blow yourselves away,go for it.Keep your fucking guns to yourselves and stop smuggling that shit into our country.

Splum 04-18-2007 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 12276978)
Keep your fucking guns to yourselves and stop smuggling that shit into our country.
Stop buying them. :2 cents:

JaneB 04-18-2007 06:33 PM
Listen people all this fighting is stupid. It is going to solve nothing. I really do not think the issue is gun control. Honestly guns don't kill. The people holding them do. If they try to change the gun laws here people will bitch. Americans are used to having guns, and they will not allow a change to the law without a fight.

directfiesta 04-18-2007 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 12276908)
You are not that bright. I was not referring to spam e-mails moron. It is easy to find the pharmacies online that are in Canada selling prescription drugs without a doctor's prescription. It is from Canada, so maybe you show know what you are talking about before you open your uneducated mouth. Anyone with a brain knows Canada sells drugs like candy.
How about a link . Could end that discussion fast :2 cents:

directfiesta 04-18-2007 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 12276978)
Who the fuck cares,I'm Canadian and if you guys want to blow yourselves away,go for it.

I'll even throw in free ammo .....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 12276978)
Keep your fucking guns to yourselves and stop smuggling that shit into our country.
.. and kill only americans.

Problem solved :thumbsup


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