The entire United States had 16,692 murders in 2005. Think all 17k were killed with guns?

Obviously we have more inner cities than anywhere else.

Violent black and hispanic gangs jack the numbers up by having nightly shootings.

And no their guns arn't usually bought legally.

Yes, he is fucked up in his white trash brain. Seriously. Total wacko an a danger to society. A gun freak whos seen too many Rambo movies. He is always walking around with a gun in the hope to use it.

Without guns I would be ruled by a dictator, like other countries with no guns.

Funny how some of the countries in that graph with far lower stats have free access to guns as well. Maybe the statistics about the US have to do with something more than unfettered access to guns? Possibly, dare I say, the culture? Far from it to think that guns may simply be another enabler of the display of cultural imbalance, not as inherently dangerous to society.

Ok I'll go play with the other 100's of thousands of law abiding citizens that voted for the concealed carry gun law. Yeah, we're all imbeciles.

What you gonna do when somebody sticks a gun in your face? I know what I'm gonna do...

By your logic anything killing people need to be banned ?

Thousands of Kids die each year in the US because they drown in a swimming pools - By your logic the US needs to Ban the pools ?

Thousands of Americans die in auto accidents each year because they were in small cars - Ban small cars ?

Guns are "NOT" legal in Washington DC but they have thousands shot by guns every year. This is the same in Detroit, New York and many other cities
so have some fucked up law against guns isn't going to save anyone !

Find a way to disarm the crooks and make them turn in all their weapons and I'd be all for a complete ban.

:D

my guns don't kill anyone.... not unless the trigger is pulled... and for that you have to pull that trigger.... like I was saying parents are to blame not the guns.. I haev 2 kids lots of guns.. pit bull and a chow.. not one prob... I have a friend realy big into the church, you know like "grade a moral standing person" took a nap and her daughter put her newborn in the bath" well not going any further but the point I am making is there are lots of dangers around the house... and a gun was designed to inflict great bodily harm if death should so come out of that bodily harm then so be it.. but I don;t shoot to kill I shoot to stop the threat.. as should every gun onwer...

yes we take showers everyday and it does not hurt us.. but to a child that does not know that can kill them just like a gun just like a knife just like a dog just like a car just like drano under the sink hell after the radio station had the "hold your wee for wii" promo now we know that water can kill you... how bout that you can OD on water and DIE... there are lots of dangers in the world... are you one of those people who carries like hand gel in your pocket so you can clean your hands after each time you shake hands? do you worry alot? honestly you take more of a risk driving your kids to school everyday than you do of ever commin into a gunfight with anyone... does that stop you from driving? does that stop a sport like nascar? does it stop automobile makers from making faster cars? how about drinking? more people die each year from alcholol related deaths than will die in the next 10 years from guns in america... how about making alcholol illlegal around the world then?

Reminds me of a time that AaronM and I went to TJ. We were walking thru the shops getting asked by every owner you want this? You need that? Eventually, I started making stuff up.

I need a rebuild kit for a Lenkurt carburetor, I need a white fire hydrant . . . no one can help me (well, I did have one guy that did dig out his phone book to direct me to where I could get the fire hydrant). When I asked for a machine gun, the very first guy yelled down the alley to someone else that could help me.

I'm curious - does the chart above take into account population and population density?

The US pop is around: 298,444,215
Denmark, around: 5,450,661

I'd bet even in a magical world without guns, the US would then be outranking Denmark on knife deaths. Take away the knives, the US would be winning in deaths by spoons....

*shrug*

50 reasons not to own a gun...

Where guns are banned.. only the criminals have them.

Without GFY we would not have idiots like you to laugh at.

A complete ban is impossible due to the amount of Americans who hunt for food and trade. Yes, this is still very large and a huge person to person business, banning guns would starve a large % of our population. Meat trades for milk, corn, ect is very very large in Hawaii, Alaska, and many areas throughout the South and Central US. Just like plenty of Americans still have an outhouse and to get water they have to put in buckets from a natural spring.


Now a ban on handguns, autos, ect.. I would have no problems following along as long as Criminals where forced to give them up too..

This says it all...
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2807602702866411553&hl=en

Holland would be a way more dangerous place if besides a few criminal the rest of population also had guns. I would move countries.

Dont you understand that? Is it really that hard to understand? The more guns the more dangerous it gets? No matter in which hands they are? How can you fail to understand that???

Im not trying to get involved or into a debate, but in all reality, a gun doesn't point itself, a gun doesn't fire itself, if it's properly stored/handled and doesn't get into the hands of irresponsible kids/people, a gun can be harmless. The problem isn't the gun, it's the raging psychopath that holds the gun. If the kid involved in this shooting didn't have a gun, he would have used something else. Case in point; CNN Video: "Profile of a Murderer" (4th story down); They found bomb making materials in his dorm room, and linked it to previous bomb threats. Basically, my point is; A gun is only a threat when the person holding it is deemed a threat. Granted, there are accidents with guns, but there are accidents with everything, including things that you would view "completely innocent." Gun control shouldn't be the issue, nor should it be movies, music, or videogames. In the end, it's the PEOPLE that should be held accountable.

What those statistics don't show is the real breakdown of where those gun related crimes happen. The US is not infiltrated with roving gangs of shooters. The majority of the gun problem is in the inner cities. Gangs shooting members of other gangs. In Milwaukee last year alone,there were nearly 100 gun related murders. 86 of those were gang related.
If the US has a problem,it's how to handle generation after generation of inner city people who know no other way. You'd be surprised Franck at how peaceful most of the cities in the US actually are. Look at the numbers demographically and you will see for yourself. There are pockets of violence here just like there is everywhere.
Solve the gang,drug and poverty issues of the inner cities and the gun related death numbers will look dramatically different.

Ah another trailer trash imbecile has arrived. One of the worst kind. The typical American hick. First class redneck who never seen another country yet thinks America is theeeeeeeee beeeeeeeeeeeeessst country in the world.

The more guns in a country the more dangerous it gets. And that is a fact. Criminals or not. Guns make a problem that wasnt there before.

Aah the usual stupid reasons 'guns don't kill people, people do.'

Once again for the slow people. Right now in Holland only a few "bad guys" have guns. Thats shit and when youre really unlucky you get one pointed at you. But that is very highly unlikely. Now if we would be imbeciles like many Americans are we would all arm ourself in the name of self protection and suddenly there would be many, many people with guns. And thats where things would go wrong. I can not imagine people having guns here in their homes and on the streets. It would be the biggest fucking mess possible. Gun deaths would rise like crazy. And self protection? Nah, maybe 1 or 2 people who actually need it for self protection.

So, basically, you're saying Holland's filled with a bunch of irresponsible dipshits who can't handle an inanimate object, albeit a dangerous one?

Quick, show me some stats on kitchen accidents in Holland -- I'd like to see that.

Just wondering . . . now that you have the EU, do you consider that one country

Ofcourse not imbecile.

??? Imbecile?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

read the graph, its per 100,000 people. Do you understand what that means?????

fuck guns....look at these stats on accidental eye injuries!





Country/Region Extrapolated Incidence Population Estimated Used
Accidental Eye Injury in North America (Extrapolated Statistics)
USA 1,056,930 293,655,4051
Canada 117,002 32,507,8742
Mexico 377,772 104,959,5942
Accidental Eye Injury in Central America (Extrapolated Statistics)
Belize 982 272,9452
Guatemala 51,399 14,280,5962
Nicaragua 19,290 5,359,7592
Accidental Eye Injury in Caribbean (Extrapolated Statistics)
Puerto Rico 14,029 3,897,9602
Accidental Eye Injury in South America (Extrapolated Statistics)
Brazil 662,620 184,101,1092
Chile 56,953 15,823,9572
Colombia 152,285 42,310,7752
Paraguay 22,284 6,191,3682
Peru 99,138 27,544,3052
Venezuela 90,043 25,017,3872
Accidental Eye Injury in Northern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Denmark 19,483 5,413,3922
Finland 18,768 5,214,5122
Iceland 1,058 293,9662
Sweden 32,344 8,986,4002
Accidental Eye Injury in Western Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Britain (United Kingdom) 216,927 60,270,708 for UK2
Belgium 37,245 10,348,2762
France 217,480 60,424,2132
Ireland 14,287 3,969,5582
Luxembourg 1,665 462,6902
Monaco 116 32,2702
Netherlands (Holland) 58,732 16,318,1992
United Kingdom 216,927 60,270,7082
Wales 10,502 2,918,0002
Accidental Eye Injury in Central Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Austria 29,422 8,174,7622
Czech Republic 4,485 1,0246,1782
Germany 296,664 82,424,6092
Hungary 36,108 10,032,3752
Liechtenstein 120 33,4362
Poland 139,024 38,626,3492
Slovakia 19,520 5,423,5672
Slovenia 7,239 2,011,473 2
Switzerland 26,817 7,450,8672
Accidental Eye Injury in Eastern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Belarus 37,109 10,310,5202
Estonia 4,828 1,341,6642
Latvia 8,300 2,306,3062
Lithuania 12,985 3,607,8992
Russia 518,194 143,974,0592
Ukraine 171,798 47,732,0792
Accidental Eye Injury in the Southwestern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Azerbaijan 28,320 7,868,3852
Portugal 37,878 10,524,1452
Spain 144,979 40,280,7802
Georgia 16,894 4,693,8922
Accidental Eye Injury in the Southern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Italy 208,961 58,057,4772
Greece 38,322 10,647,5292
Accidental Eye Injury in the Southeastern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Albania 12,758 3,544,8082
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1,467 407,6082
Bulgaria 27,058 7,517,9732
Croatia 16,185 4,496,8692
Macedonia 7,342 2,040,0852
Romania 80,462 22,355,5512
Serbia and Montenegro 38,964 10,825,9002
Accidental Eye Injury in Northern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Mongolia 9,902 2,751,3142
Accidental Eye Injury in Central Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Kazakhstan 54,505 15,143,7042
Tajikistan 25,236 7,011,556 2
Uzbekistan 95,056 26,410,4162
Accidental Eye Injury in Eastern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
China 4,674,837 1,298,847,6242
Hong Kong s.a.r. 24,673 6,855,1252
Japan 458,299 127,333,0022
Macau s.a.r. 1,602 445,2862
North Korea 81,693 22,697,5532
South Korea 173,603 48,233,7602
Taiwan 81,881 22,749,8382
Accidental Eye Injury in Southwestern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Turkey 247,964 68,893,9182
Accidental Eye Injury in Southern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Afghanistan 102,626 28,513,6772
Bangladesh 508,715 141,340,4762
Bhutan 7,866 2,185,5692
India 3,833,423 1,065,070,6072
Pakistan 572,982 159,196,3362
Sri Lanka 71,643 19,905,1652
Accidental Eye Injury in Southeastern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
East Timor 3,668 1,019,2522
Indonesia 858,244 238,452,9522
Laos 21,840 6,068,1172
Malaysia 84,662 23,522,4822
Philippines 310,402 86,241,6972
Singapore 15,670 4,353,8932
Thailand 233,465 64,865,5232
Vietnam 297,521 82,662,8002
Accidental Eye Injury in the Middle East (Extrapolated Statistics)
Gaza strip 4,768 1,324,9912
Iran 242,958 67,503,2052
Iraq 91,329 25,374,6912
Israel 22,311 6,199,0082
Jordan 20,195 5,611,2022
Kuwait 8,125 2,257,5492
Lebanon 13,595 3,777,2182
Saudi Arabia 92,845 25,795,9382
Syria 64,846 18,016,8742
United Arab Emirates 9,084 2,523,9152
West Bank 8,318 2,311,2042
Yemen 72,073 20,024,8672
Accidental Eye Injury in Northern Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Egypt 273,963 76,117,4212
Libya 20,269 5,631,5852
Sudan 140,902 39,148,1622
Accidental Eye Injury in Western Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Congo Brazzaville 10,790 2,998,0402
Ghana 74,709 20,757,0322
Liberia 12,203 3,390,6352
Niger 40,889 11,360,5382
Nigeria 63,887 12,5750,3562
Senegal 39,059 10,852,1472
Sierra leone 21,177 5,883,8892
Accidental Eye Injury in Central Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Central African Republic 13,470 3,742,4822
Chad 34,331 9,538,5442
Congo kinshasa 209,895 58,317,0302
Rwanda 29,652 8,238,6732
Accidental Eye Injury in Eastern Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Ethiopia 256,755 71,336,5712
Kenya 118,709 32,982,1092
Somalia 29,890 8,304,6012
Tanzania 129,826 36,070,7992
Uganda 94,984 26,390,2582
Accidental Eye Injury in Southern Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Angola 39,514 10,978,5522
Botswana 5,899 1,639,2312
South Africa 159,979 44,448,4702
Swaziland 4,208 1,169,2412
Zambia 39,683 11,025,6902
Zimbabwe 13,215 1,2671,8602
Accidental Eye Injury in Oceania (Extrapolated Statistics)
Australia 71,671 19,913,1442
New Zealand 14,374 3,993,8172
Papua New Guinea 19,508 5,420,2802

No imbecile, im saying we have America as an example of what happens when a country is flooded with guns. And lucky for me we dont have that problem. And when we do its time to move.

I should have said it better or clearer, I meant a complete ban on handguns and automatic weapons etc, not hunting rifles, and only within the context of my previous post.

Since it won't happen, people wanting it are basically dreaming with their heads in the proverbial clouds. Most americans (USA) feel their right to own a gun for personal protection needs preserving, and in the state their country is in (in some areas especially) I am not for opposing them.

Put it this way, if my car broke down while driving through a rough neighborhood I know most if not everyone here would feel much safer knowing they had a way to protect themselves if something were to happen. Although I suppose some are happy and content to trust/hope that the criminal robbing them won't shoot them and either leave them for dead or kill them outright.

Having a gun just puts a little bit of power back in the victim's hands, and it is because of that fact right there that a lot of people are reluctant to support a ban.

If the ban applied to the criminals too then people's minds might change. Until then I'd hazard a good guess the guns are staying.

Yes.
Yes I do.
I was just raising a point that the graph doesn't really paint a true picture. Minte actually posted a more relevant point to the issue:

Points that frank just can't seem to comprehend. Sure, in a magical world without guns, gun-related deaths would disappear. I'd still bet the US would beat the shit out of Holland in some form of murder, though.

Anyone that doesn't understand Guns in American - and thinks we should have gun control, read this.

You could take away 'our' guns and crime with guns will still happen. Fact.

At this point, with imports, cia, ect ect ect.. the gangs, mobs, mafia, whatevers have more guns, more high powered guns, autos, and the amount of hand guns on the street - is enough to defend our country from any attacking country. It would be simply be stupid for anyone to invade us. Now this includes our Police forces, they simply can not patrol all parts of cities at all times - safely. If you don't understand that go rent a nice car and drive through some part of LA (no idea but someone here can help you with that).. Now on the flip side, Texas as the country folk extreme.

So to take away the honest - registered - safe - gun owners does nothing but create more crime. And nobody is going to be forced to give up their guns, that said - the only problem is the guns the criminals have, which nobody really has a solution for.

If they could design a gun that could only be fired by the person who's fingerprint is associated with that gun.... ( Using fingerprint recognization technology built into the grip/trigger of the gun )


Too bad there are so many guns in the world that it wouldn't matter, people would still use old technology weapons and ammunition.

Another thing, maybe guns aren't the problem at all. Maybe it's the culture?


America loves sex and violence. Maybe that's why the family units are so fucked up across North America? Too much fucking and killing?


Brazil is fucked too.


Perhaps the globe doesn't need less guns, but instead, a worldwide shift in human thought.


Time to start putting massive doses of MDMA into the water and food supply. People will be too busy giving back rubs and hugs to think about killing each other. Nobody high on MDMA would leave their wife and kids, either.

( I'm serious! )

"According to the CDC, the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. American children are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die in a firearm accident than children in these other countries"

Hope some of you care more about your children than your "right" to own a gun...

What the USA needs:


Less guns, more MDMA

Hmm so are accidental deaths of children lower "overall" in other countries, or do they stay about the same just using different methods?

Calm down South Park.. Children are humans, a 2 year old, 4, 22, 50, 90.. are all the same, humans.. We all have the same rights, skin color, age, ect.. Yes we want to provide 'simple' safety for our kids - but as 'humans' we have the right to be stupid.

I choose to be responsible and lock my guns in a digital gun safe. Why should my guns be taken away because of other stupid people?

im sorry I worry more about what my son will see watching sponge bob than I worry about him getting once of my guns and using it... sorry call me what you want but I was raised in a house with guns I am fine... I do stress the fact that you teach them about saftey and proper gun use handeling and care...