why do the general american seem to think only about his or her rights? you are all a part of a society, time to deal with it... btw, do your kids visit the house next door? would they have guns in the open? are they responsible like you?

"Most guns involved in self-inflicted and unintentional firearm injuries (that is, in suicides and accidents) came either from the victim's home or the home of a friend or relative"

how about his friends? kids are just plain stupid sometimes and will run into the road to chase their basketballs... they just don't think about the risks

And thats why you are the most imbecile piece of white trash dirt that posts on this board. Once again, you are part of the huge problem America has with guns. You are a huge part of it. You and people like you. A direct threat to society. I am serious when i say people like you shouldnt be allowed to have the freedom they have.

The average dog is smarter than you. You dont even realize it because your tiny brain doesnt let you.

Here is a tale of two cities: one that banned handguns and one that required guns. Guess which town enjoyed a plunge in crime.

In June 1981, Morton Grove, Ill., a northern suburb of Chicago, passed an ordinance banning handguns. In reaction, Kennesaw, Ga., a northern suburb of Atlanta, passed an ordinance requiring heads of households "to maintain a firearm" and ammunition "to provide for the civil defense" and "protect the general welfare of the City and its inhabitants."


"Some people seem to think our residents are not armed," Morton Grove Police Chief George Incledon, told United Press International on Tuesday. The chief pointed out that the law did not prohibit ownership of shotguns or rifles, and that gun collectors were exempt.

Many citizens prefer shotguns to handguns for home defense. Incledon did not define "gun collector." Morton Grove residents could store their handguns outside the village limits or at a licensed gun club.

Moreover, Incledon recalled, out of a population of 25,000, only "a few people, maybe 10," surrendered handguns to police in the months after the law went into effect.

Similarly, Kennesaw's law provides so many loopholes that, in effect, no one is compelled to obey it. Convicted felons are, of course, excluded. Also exempt are those "who suffer a physical disability [undefined] which would prohibit them from using such a firearm" and those who "conscientiously oppose firearms as a result of religious doctrine or belief [also undefined]." Inhabitants may claim exemptions for moral or financial reasons, said Detective Cpl. Craig Graydon, a Kennesaw Police Department spokesman, in a phone interview Tuesday.

According to a National Rifle Association document, the law was not expected to increase gun ownership. "It was expected that publicity surrounding the ordinance would warn criminals that residents were capable of protecting themselves and their community and would do so with the government's blessing," the document said.

The results?

Not much of anything in Morton Grove. "We were fortunate to have a low rate of violent crime before the ordinance was passed, and we are fortunate now that the rate is still low," Incledon told UPI.

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But Kennesaw's crime rate plummeted. In fact, the number of some crimes declined amid soaring population growth. For example, in figures the city provided to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, Kennesaw had 54 burglaries in 1981 ? the year before the gun ordinance ? with a population of 5,242. In 1999, with a population of 19,000, only 36 burglaries were reported.

The rate of violent crime is approximately four times lower than the state and national rates, Kennesaw's Crime Statistics Report said. "Violent crime is almost nonexistent in residential neighborhoods," Graydon told UPI. The detective, who has been with the police department since 1986, said the isolated exceptions take place in motels or in commercial areas.

Graydon said he has lived in the area since 1979 and has heard no open opposition to the gun law. This remains the case even though most of Kennesaw's newcomers are from northern states.

Asked whether the ordinance has attracted new people to Kennesaw, Graydon said: "Not specifically the law itself, but quite a few people cite the low crime rate, which a lot of people do attribute, at least in part, to the gun law."

The detective said Kennesaw used state criteria for carrying a concealed handgun. "It's not that difficult" to get the license, he said. Unlike some other jurisdictions, Georgia does not require permit holders to submit the serial numbers of their handguns to the police. "We don't register firearms down here," Graydon said.

On Tuesday afternoon, Handgun Control's Washington office was invited to comment on Kennesaw's crime statistics. A spokeswoman there replied that no one from the organization could address the issue until after a press conference.

Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved.

"When researchers studied the 30,000 accidental gun deaths of Americans of all ages that occurred between 1979-1997, they found that preschoolers aged 0-4 were 17 times more likely to die from a gun accident in the 4 states with the most guns versus the 4 states with the least guns. Likewise, school kids aged 5-14 were over 13 times more at risk of accidental firearm death in the states with high gun ownership rates. The findings indicate that gun availability is associated with accidental death by shooting"

pretty sad :Oh crap

What about drugs? How do I know if the neighbors are on drugs? You can't tell with many drugs. How about drunk, drinkers, drinking and driving - do the neighbors do it? Should I let my kids play out front, someone could take them. What about my stove, should I raise it up so they can't touch the gas knobs? What about my dog, or cats... they can kill our new baby - best get rid of the cat. Do I need to go on?

No Crime In Geuda Springs, Kansas

Some folks in Kansas are up in arms these days.

In the town of Geuda Springs, the town council recently passed an ordinance requiring every resident to own a firearm. And that had some people making the direst predictions.

Gun accidents will increase, they claimed. Murders will be up.

We've heard it all before. We hear the same cries from the Chicken Littles of the world every time a city or state encourages more gun ownership. Anti-gun fanatics come out of the woodwork, predicting that more guns in people's hands will result in rivers of blood flowing in the streets.

But it never happens.

It's just a good thing that a lot of politicos don't make their living making forecasts. The weathermen get it right more often.

Kennesaw, Georgia enacted a similar law in 1982 requiring every household to own a firearm, exempting those with criminal records or religious objections. Opponents argued the law would result in serious accidents and that angry residents would settle their differences with gunfire. Happily, those predictions never materialized.

The residential burglary rate in Kennesaw fell immediately -- almost 90 percent in the months directly following the law's enactment. That drop far outpaced the more modest 10.4 percent drop in the entire state of Georgia during the same period.

In the ensuing years, Kennesaw's crime rate has remained at basement levels. In 2001, there was not one murder in the town. No one was gunned down, even though the entire town is armed! The law has continued to work well for 20 years.

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And their burglary rate? Well, it seems that thieves are still scared to enter the premises of the average Kennesaw home. Burglaries are still down more than 80 percent.

Kennesaw's results should not be surprising. Guns are a deterrent to bad guys, and Geuda Springs would have started to enjoy similar results soon.

But not yet. You see, the Chicken Littles were able to prevail upon the Mayor of Geuda Springs, who recently vetoed the ordinance.

Opponents argued that more guns in people's homes would lead to more shootings, more killings and more carnage. It would mean increased liability for the town.

Of course, this ignores the contrary record that has been evidenced in Kennesaw.

The liability argument seems spurious at best. And it is inconsistent. If one can hold a town like Kennesaw or Geuda Springs liable when a gun accident occurs, then why can't one use the liability argument in cities that have taken the opposite approach?

Why isn't the anti-gun city of Washington, D.C. liable for every unarmed victim who is murdered within its jurisdiction? That city has basically said, "Don't protect yourself. That job belongs to us."

But they can't. And they haven't.

Washington, D.C. used to have a relatively low crime rate in the 1960s. It never used to be the nation's Murder Capital.

But that all changed after the city passed its draconian gun ban in 1976. In the following 25 years, the city's murder rate has increased 51 percent, even while the national rate has decreased 36 percent.

You see, taking guns away from good people never makes them safer. It should be obvious by now.

Thankfully, most people in this country are still allowed to own firearms for their protection. Nearly 7,000 people use a gun to defend their lives every day.

Passing a law that says everyone in a town must own a gun would be a good thing. It would be like putting a sign on every door saying, "This home is protected by Smith & Wesson."

Criminals don't like such signs.

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000, age adjusted) for Selected Countries in one year between 1990 and 1995 (Krug, Powell and Dahlberg, 1998)


That is PER 100,000...Jeez you are not very smart are you? :1orglaugh Oh my god...I hope you enjoy your gun(s). :upsidedow

Franck, don't teach the people who are to stupid to think....

[QUOTE=TheDoc;12275930]What about my stove, should I raise it up so they can't touch the gas knobs? QUOTE]

eh, course... you seriously haven't protected your stove?

enjoy the discussion people.. time for bed.. thank god we don't have gun problems up here.. I'd hate to have to worry about that

Oh darn, and there i was thinking this thread was about guns. Stupid me.

Spunkmaster, imbecile, please explain why the US has SO fucking many gun deaths compared to lets say Holland. A country with no gun problem. Please explain that to me. Could it have to do with the crazy amount of guns there are in the US? Yes? No?

Spunkmaster, imbecile, how come your country still has a huge crime rate, higher than many other countries AND on top of that a gun problem? Could it have to do with the crazy amount of guns in the US? Yes? No? Maybe?

Okay more stats that should help show how the right to bear arms is not working in the U.S.

Original Source:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/publ.../cd191d_e.html
(oops link broken, you'll have to take my word for it - I didn't make these numbers up :))

Japan Prohibits handguns with few exceptions
Households with firearms (%): 0.6
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 0.03
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 0.07

Ausralia
Households with firearms (%): 16
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 0.56
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 2.94

Canada
Households with firearms (%): 26
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 0.60
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 3.95

USA
Households with firearms (%): 41
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 6.24
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 13.47

Do you see a pattern here?
The more guns in households as a % the more gun related deaths.

I don't think anyone believes that reducing the number of guns in society is going to stop crime - that's not the point. The main focus of reducing the number of guns is to prevent gun-related crime.

Obviously widespread availability is a problem, but wouldn't perhaps a lack of natural social cohesion be one of the underlying causes?

Franck, don't waste your time replying to the hicks in here, they will never learn.

Pro gun fanatics are like junkies. They do not respond to reason. They are not prepared to admit that the focus of their addiction is the problem. They will lie, they will keep blaming others rather than admit what everyone with half a brain knows to be true: more guns = more violent death

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/04/18...14.cho.nbc.jpg

I have guns
When I raised my daughter, I had many guns in the house.
She got a marksmanship ribbon for a 9mm in Navy Boot camp
She never shot a pistol that small
The problem with gun accidents is people don't realize their kids are curiuos, My daughter has always had respect for firearms, she knew what they could do.
And heres my thoughts on gun control, it's proven that every county that pushes letting citizens get carry permits, the gun violence goes down, crime goes down. Every country that bans hand guns, the gun violence goes up, hell, they're easier for the criminals to shoot when they don't shoot back.
As much as I would hate to see this happen again, if it were to happen in a texas city, what are the chances of a few texans shooting back?

Want some reading on the facts? http://www.gunfacts.info/

the left wing morron franck again..... omfg!

don't fuck around with the constitution! you know what this is making you? trying to take away constitutional rights? thats what terrorist are trying to do. you are a bad ass motherfucking terrorist, trying to scare the shit out of the people and fuck them from behind by taking away their ELEMENTAR RIGHTS!

i would put you into gitmo!

amazing how people can work torwards their own complete enslavement. *sigh*

who thinks the founding fathers were idiots? why the constitutional right to bear firearms?

think about it! it's about time you sheeple wake up.

No it didn't genius: http://www.aic.gov.au/media/2004/20040102.html

This thread shows how totally fucking dumb some Americans are. The freedom to own a gun made their country the shithole it is today where everybody and his brother owns and gun and makes it very, very unsafe. Mentally challenged people like Dirty Danza are allowed to buy as many guns as possible. Every day more people buy guns and what do you imbeciles do? You say more people should buy guns so it will get safer. Unbefuckinglievable. That freedom you are sooo fucking proud of is your major problem. And people like Danza abusing that freedom.

400 residents.

Try that in NYC and see what happens. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Gun fanatics are funny.

i wonder how you can even spell freedom franck..

Franck if it wasnt for guns you would be flying a black, yellow and red flag by now. (since you are an idiot i am talking about germany) Or sucking nazi cock like your mother did during WW2.

They are lunatics. Totally insane.

Every sane person knows the more guns in a country the more gun problems you will have. I mean you dont need to be Einstein to figure that out. Yet these brain dead imbeciles cant seem to figure that out. You can show stat after stat where the US is on top of gun related deaths but they just ignore it.

Why do you anti-gun people feel you need to protect 'my' kids? or tell me how to raise my kids?

Where does the rights begin and stop with these people.

Fucking imbecile, i am not talking about guns used for wars but hey thats all your tiny brain can come up with right. Imbecile, can you see the difference between where im talking about the gun problem in America and how guns are used for war. Slightly different imbecile? Or not?

Very, very well, actually.

All i am saying is your idiotic freedom to own guns resulted in what the US is today. One of the most fucked up countries when it comes to gun related crimes. Youve reached a point where you want a gun because everyone else has a gun and you are not safe without a gun anymore. And on top of that you seem all too happy about it and wish more people would have guns and you keep on raving about this gun freedom.

Look look. Pathetic little imbecile ignoring what i said :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Stupid little piece of shit :1orglaugh

are you to stupid to realise that if the countries that helped your pussy country were not stocked up with weapons you would have ended up sucking more nazi cock then your mother?

OK. Here is how gun control has worked for us: http://www.aic.gov.au/media/2004/20040102.html

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Idiotic imbecile, jesus, are you really this stupid or just pretending you are!!! Holy shit! Im not talking about guns used in wars or ww2 or whatever! Im talking about idiotic Americans with their idiotic gun laws you fucking imbecile. What do those 2 have to do with echother exactly imbecile? Please explain. No, please stfu you mentally challenged cocksucker.

We might be flooded with firearms but you know what? They aint going away! There will ALWAYS BE GUNS! So the only solution is to fight fire with fire! It's all about defending oneself. It's very apparent you don't know what that is.

You sound like a little sissy and I bet you got your ass kicked everyday as a kid.

Franck can you explain this:

It is mandatory for the head of household to own a firearm and ammunition for it in Kennesaw, GA. Since the law went into effect crime has dropped 89%. From 1982 - 1999 there were only 3 murders (2 of those were by knife). Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate of a town its size in the whole country. How does this happen if guns are bad Franck?

current srime stats for Kennesaw - http://www.kennesaw.ga.us/index.asp?NID=137

A city of 30.000 people??? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Uhm, what exactly do you want me to explain?

But wait, i think when i started this thread i asked the questions first. Why is the US on top in the stats of gun related deaths? Why not Holland where not everybody has guns?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yes, every Swiss home has a machine gun.

That says a lot about the standard of education in the US.

You dont have the slightest clue what im saying do you imbecile? Here we go AGAIN:

No, they wont go away and you seem damn proud of it. Youre freedom to have guns, what you are so fucking happy with, made it that the US now has a huge gun problem. Instead of admitting that you'll glady buy another gun tomorrow. Therefor you are a fucking imbecile. Congrats.