50 broken magic join links :(

I get a different impression.

I don't send emails every day, if I sell shit and annoy him by send ing mail why is he putting his hand in his pocket and not asking me to delete him from my list?

I hit him up on ICQ to ask him if he had a problem, he turned it off after I sent the first message. The second was rejected.

Like it or not I'm one of the biggest content providers in the business. Even get accused of selling so well my content is saturated. Do you think I do that because I don't have good customer service?

Do you mean the sites www.5dollarsporn.com?

Ask them.
and there you go

its WAAAAAY too late to try to save face on that one.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

what are you complaining paul? Paysites aren't rocket science remember?? lol

BTW 1 more time, I wanted to work with you and list your girls on FreeOnes but you told me it was to much work for you, to bad huh lol

One of the funniest threads of all time that was :)

Oh and the other one with the fake surfer email :thumbsup

Somehow i can hardly belive that.

Agreed some of them do.

But how many, how many are newbies and how much traffic does newbies send?

I get your point and the guys submitting FHG, using sponsor content and copying what everyone else does accounts for how many.

Yes I turned you down.

After a few weeks spamming your board and only replying to threads asking for girls on my site and often asking for my content, I saw the value of having you as an affiliate and doing your work for you. I can employ a student on $30 a day to look after your site and do your work for you.

Your site is not worth it to us. Maybe it's worth it to others but the traffic I saw was very poor and worse than TGP traffic.

Now you can tell everyone I have a crap site. Blah Blah Blah.

Sausage you still selling the site with our bargain basement content on the tour. How well does it do? QuaShe is looking for sites if you'll do his job for him. :1orglaugh

Do you know what this thread lacks?

One sponsors saying, "Maybe it would be cheaper to get some guys doing the grunt work for $30 a day."

They could submit to Freeones because QuaShe does not have the time to and it's not worth him doing it himself, as you can see.

I think one of the real indicators of what a newbie affiliate earns comes from two posts. One telling us he earns WAY more than $300 a month and the other saying he earns at least $500 a month.

For my idea to work a guy driving traffic in house and full or part time has to make at least $1200 a month to start to return a decent profit.

Cut through all the BS and here it is. Your chances as a newbie with all the support, training and tools in the world of making $1200 a month is slim.

And it's better for sponsors to use outsiders.

Paul... maybe you should add the word "branding" to your vocabulary.

Most newbies will splatter galleries and banners all over the web, make one or two sales every 6 months. They leave and the ads, banners, galleries and traffic still exist in web archives and abandoned free hosting accounts.

All it costs the sponsor is $80 every 6 months or so... or maybe not? Considering the minimum payout is $100 the sponsor just got his site name viewed by many many people for free... many times over.

Another benefit to freelance workers. Never even thought of that one. 100s of guys submitting your galleries for free and branding your product.

Thanks. :thumbsup

Also do those links help with SE ranking?

model no speaky english big guy . . . shoot all you want . . and the reason I have the clients I do is because I'm not looking to sit on my ass and make easy money . . do what ever ya want over there Paul, not gonna affect me one way of the other

BTW go ahead and get some in house traffic guys and a shooter for $30-$50 a day . . nothing like training your competition is there? . . I had actually thought were smarter than that, guess not . .

Not scared of anyone competing with me. Do you think if Tiger Woods teaches a newbie to play golf he worries if the guy will one day be taking titles away from him? Not saying I'm that good as a shooter, in fact I'm not even close.

It's easy it is to teach a guy to point a camera. Hard to get him to be a good pornographer. Maybe that's why so few shooters sell sets for $5,000.00 on a regular basis and still own the set.

now why would anyone skip on freeones.com traffic.. 90% of my sales in the last 2 years have come from galleries listed on freeones.com. Hell, if I got an offer like the one you mentioned I would take it in an instant.

If I had a paysite I would do ANYTHING to get listed on freeones.. seriously their traffic is gold

I hate to tell ya but FreeOnes traffic is not as bad as you say. I'm rather happy they send me traffic. Joins are joins and they have no problem sending them :thumbsup

As I said I was spamming his board for weeks, it's why he threw me off and we fell out.

So after spamming it for weeks and watching the traffic to see how it performs, I was looking to see if it was worth spending money on advertising there, I turned down his offer.

As I said if it works for you fine, it would cost me peanuts to get a girl to put up galleries. Maybe I'm wrong, but if it's not worth it for him to do it why is it worth it to me?

As I said maybe I'm wrong, but I could not see the traffic coming and signing up.

Did you really just ask that?

I do have affiliates I do look after the way QuaShe wanted. I send them brand new girls, pictures and galleries, etc.

It's not that I don't do it for anyone.

yes, newbies may not send a shit load of traffic right of the bat, but we were all newbies at one point. Some will learn and succeed while others will give up because they can't do it right. Maybe one day the newbies that you think are useless will end up being the next big wig in this industry. Never underestimate people. Steve's point is that if you only use in house people to drive traffic to your site you limit yourself. You are stuck coming up with all the new ideas to generate traffic and hope that it works while you're footing the bill for the bandwidth being use and all the other shit.. than you have the outside affiliates who , in most cases (unless they're using sponsor free hosting) paying their own hosting bills, their own PA's, paid spot etc.. Also, they try to think up new ways to get traffic. So, imagine that there are 5000 newbie affiliates, 2500 of them are not bad and always coming up with new ways of getting good traffic. Than you have your in house affiliates which they are not that many.. Maybe 100.. they are all doing the exact same thing on a daily basis according to what you told them to do. You pay all the hosting, all the partner accounts, paid spots and their daily salary.

now tell me, why would anyone go with in house affiliates when it would just be financially stupid? Just because someone is a newbie it doesn't mean that they can't succeed. Like I said before, we were ALL newbie once.

Paul might be a spamming doofus, but how the hell is jon clark bashing him for anything? The guy is one step up from a sigwhore. Markham is an idiot on the boards, but he has done 1000 times what you have jon. You are trying way too hard to fit in.

ok, just my 2 cents here, but even though the freeones.com board is accessible from the main freeones.com site the traffic on the main site is a whole lot better. Why not try to build galleries, free sites etc.. and submit it to them? Like I said in one of my previous post, 90% of my sales to every sponsor came from galleries listed on freeones.com

. . so yer big plan is to sell crap custom content? hummmm . .

you are a fucking tool, do you wanna me my stats for this month? and my first ever month in adult.

i will show u them idiot.

your a fool sometimes, making yourself look stupid on a message board by trying to spam it, what kind of life to u lead.

hense the term when i started, u have taken a point and spinned it around into your ball of string.

pimpdogg is %100 right about u

Post with your real nick :2 cents:

Smart man.. which galleries do you submit? Its really hard to get listed for the most popular girls for me atleast

well, I make my own galleries, but with sponsor content. (reality cash, top bucks, traffic cash gold, mayors money etc..)

I look at the section on Free Ones fr the girl in my gallery to make sure that the content I'm using has not already been used. If it hasn't I submit the gallery to them. I don't always get listed, but when I do it's like gold. I've already had a few Brea Bennett (reality cash) galleries listed recently which have made me some sales.

and don't always try to go for the most popular pornstars that have a shit load of free sites/galleries listed. Even the less popular ones will make you some sales. It's harder to get listed when using the really popular ones because there's already a shit load of content listed there so the chances are that you will be are using content that has already been listed.

I had a talk with Jon and told him this same thing. He continues to keep acting like he knows what he's talking about. He's a good guy, but is definitely trying to hard to fit in here. Paul is an idiot, that's for sure...but he has made his mark at some point. Jon giving advice to everyone is like someone with Down's Syndrome trying explain Physics to Einstein.

You can call me a troll all you want Jon. As I said I'd rather be a troll than a clueless boob.

They WERE affiliates until we fell out. the traffic they sent was nothing much, I think a couple of sign ups in a month. Not enough for me to kiss his ass when I got kicked out for spamming his board in threads asking for my models and content. So it does good for you then fine. But do you think I would not be nicer to him if his traffic was good for us. Even I'm not that stupid.

As for the "Some make it" theory I agree with you 100%. but not enough to bring it in house. The odds are not that good. I will agree that if someone works this hard enough in their spare time and has the right skills that can make a living.

What gets to me is all the guys spinning how much easier than it is in reality.

scottybuzz so you are the exception and an absolute wonder boy. Because if what you did in your first month, could be done by anyone there would not be the affiliate system there is. Think about it.

Wanton since when did you start calling sets that sell for $5,000 cheap content? :winkwink:

However it was you who said a company can get in a guy on the cheap to shoot. I was putting two things together. I have the possibility of taking on 5,000 square foot of light industrial space, I am re employing an ex shooter, Jana, who left to have a baby. So I could build a studio and shoot in it 5 days a week. Jana could shoot magazine standard. You know sets good enough to sell for $5,000.

Now the plan is if the client wants to pay $200 for a solo girl set+video scene, we shoot it fast and do 5-6 a day. If the client wants to pay $1,000 I pick up the camera. :1orglaugh

Seriously I would shoot the better end and probably the boy girl and multi girl scenes. I still do have a bit of wind in my sails. :1orglaugh

The clients decide what they want, the best content or the lowest price.

As for your comment about American accents, that is a problem. Do you want me to tell all the the over seas crews in Prague and Budapest they are wasting their time or will you. :1orglaugh

he is paying for results, the people you hire may have no idea what they are doing. results come with experience, learning, trial and error, etc

thats akin to me saying, "paul, you charge 2.5K for an exclusive set, why dont i get a team of college students to bust 2 of them out a day and ill only charge you $500/day.

its oversimplifying the matter

Ok, troll, if you are so smart, tell me one thing I am clueless on that I have acted like I know something about...

This is the kind of thread I'm talking about.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=726025

webmasterchecks I'm talking about newbies, I have said if you put in the hard work you have a chance of making it. Once you have built the experience it's different. But for in house guys you need a skilled manager, he's your only problem and no one yet has come up with that.

Go read the thread and see what a rosy picture it paints. The experienced know the truth. Most of them spamming their signatures in the hope some newbie will submit a few galleries.

There is also a thread offering people advice on Blogging, advice I bet is everywhere for free.

Then someone will start a thread calling someone a scammer. If it's all right to con newbies into thinking there's easy money to be made as an affiliate, why is it so dishonest to do what others do. Like for instance Lars?

We are either honest or we are not.

If it's honest to scam newbies into thinking it's easy then what others do is also acceptable. Honesty is not something you apply differently as it please you.

And please don't anyone tell me about the www.5dollarsporn.com sites. You guys were bouncing that thread for weeks, sending me traffic for free. Half the join links worked and even when I did remove the bad ones you still kept sending me traffic. :thumbsup

I know of a photographer PB offered 75K for a set, still owning the rights . . however never heard about a set going for 5K . .

prolly shouldn't drink when yer posting Paul.

seriously . . . not even sure mags pay that much . . the figure I was quoted was about 2.5K for hustler etc . . paid about 6-8 months after picking the set up . . maybe that's changed . . don't shoot for the mags and have no desire to . .

tell ya what. the more you type the less respect I'm getting for you . .

Understandable, BUT at least 90% of the sales that I get from freeones.com is to a REALITY porn site and not a site based on just the pornstar I'm using in the gallery. I always get sales from the galleries I submit to freeones.com. Now, if I can make A LOT of sales to a REALITY porn site from pornstar/celebrity type of traffic maybe you should look at why you are not making many sales. Also, how many galleries.sites have you had listed on freeones.com? If it's just 1 or 2 you can't really base anything on that. I'm sure you have more than 1 or 2, but how much exactly? Oh, and I'm not trying to knock you down or bash ya. I have nothing against you. Plus, I own a lot of your content. All I'm trying to say is that freeones.com traffic is gold if you use it right. If it wasn't I would not have kept submitting to them. You have to find what works for you with their traffic. If one thing's not working move on to the next. Not saying that it's easy. Everything requires some work. Of course, being in this industry for as long as you've been, you already know this. :)

I'm a sponsor, I buy galleries and designs. You're insulting me. not the cleverest of moves. :1orglaugh

Hit me up if you need some work. I go on results not GFY posts.

You should do the same. Think about it, I'm being flamed by people here who might earn in a year what I have earned in a day and I'm not talking about a few blow outs on the content store.

A shooter who will work all day and sell it for a lot less than I sell a non exclusive license for.

By a guy who told everyone on a board, our content was saturated and did not convert, but has the cheapest stuff we do on his tour. Still has it there as well. He says I'm a joke. He's a liar or a conman.

And by a few guys who make money whoring signatures. :1orglaugh

And a few who just don't like me.

I'm not saying it does not work for you. I said.

IT DID NOT WORK FOR ME.

So let's drop it please.

I was talking to Mr. Trollflip....


btw, I would never, ever, eva... Try to work with you again...

Remeber we already tried that, we out designed your site and you got all pissy with me...

When to begin with you never gave me directions about what your expectations where..

You just gave me the content and I assumed you wanted nice work...

Then you had the nerve to expect we where gonna make all 40 galls over again... :1orglaugh

I started with nothing. I make big money now.

It's sad to see that all the newbies don't have ANY respect anymore for
people who've been eating from this business when you all still ran around
in diapers. Telling someone who's in the business for over 30 years that
whatever he does isn't working for him whille this person's content is on
almost every porn site that has teen content is just stupid.

Obviously Paul makes a good living of his business, almost every big show
you'll bump into Paul and Eva and they're not driving to the show or get
there by greyhound bus.

You may like someone or you don't but that doesn't have to mean that you
have to show an attitude like you're the messias when in fact that person
was making money when you was still suckin on mommies titty.

bump for all wannabe pimp ganstahs

yes sorry i lashed out at you paul.

You jump on the bandwagon of everything. Paul Markham has been around the block in this industry for years, he's one of the more well known faces in it, and he's made a lot of money doing it.

You jump in the thread and insult him because of another thread simply because everyone else did. You do it in every thread. You're the guy who piles on at the end simply because everyone else is doing it and you think it's "cool". It comes across as someone trying way too hard.

He was made fun of for spamming GFY with his stuff. If you can't find the irony of you making fun of him for it, I don't know what else to say.

Since when do you have webmaster skills and knowledge ? You can't even fix your own fucking join links.

I wasn't even talking to him in the post you quoted :1orglaugh


Here is :2 cents: buy a clue with it :321GFY

This business has become crazy because of attempts to live in the past.

Until 1999 or so, it was almost impossible not to make money in online porn. The next 4 years took a little more effort, but a couple of functioning brain cells was enough. Since then, more competition and almost zero innovation, has made it progressively harder to break in.

So yes, I agree with Paul that all the encouragements for newbies are essentially a con. But then I figure that anyone foolish enough to believe that money is just lying around, waiting to be picked up, deserves everything he gets.

What bothers me a lot more is what the refusal to let go of this outdated approach to affiliates says about the sponsors still using it. Not only in those gold-rush years was there are flood of newcomers, but a high percentage of them would earn reasonably for themselves and therefore their sponsors.

Nowadays that flood is massively diminished, a far smaller percentage are going to earn anything useful and more sponsors are fighting over them. But instead of switching tactics, most have turned up the heat. Message boards full of competitions and utterly inane posts, are just one symptom.

What also hasn't changed is that once an affiliate is signed up, he is pretty much on his own. Never mind that he or she is unlikely to get any useful guidance: far more sponsors can be criticized for the crap they put out for promotions, than the number who should be praised for producing good material. What other industry would openly acknowledge that banners (the traditionally common sizes anway) are largely ineffective, yet often provide little else? Promotional text, hosted galleries and RSS feeds are most notable for their absence or pathetically poor standards.

It is really hard to believe that the sponsors who are already reduced to appealing to the short-bus kiddies, will still be around in 5 years. But many others, albeit less obviously, are no more forward-thinking in any practical sense. If it is becoming harder to get active affiliates in the first place, then surely it is time to start putting more emphasis on developing and keeping those who do show some promise?

What passes for affiliate marketing and development is "Win $5000 in this thread" at one extreme, and self-indulgent, incestuous parties, sorry shows, at the other. In between where the majority of affiliates exist, there is next to nothing. Sure that may be the territory of mainly small and modest affiliates, but these are the guys with the potential for growth. The resources some sponsors spend on keeping whales (most of whom aren't likely to be going anywhere anyway, since by definition they earn well), is wholly disproportionate to the amount spent developing tomorrow's whales.

steve lightspeed had the best answer in this thread.

to that, ill add that noobs have the potential to become whales. better to snag and treat them right from the start. a sale is a sale.