You guys are just jealous of Paul's magic join links and super surfer emails

he has the magic touch..

I started this business with a domain and $100, no joke.
WG

There you go, not less then $500 a month is what an affiliate boasts about.

I think a more honest approach to newbies would be better.

Tell them that with some hard work and application they can get to $500 a month. That is why most sponsors avoid in house traffic generation. It's cheaper to have guys like you on $500 a month. An in house guy would cost more.

Still don't see Trey offering me a deal.

If I know so little can you offer an explanation why I've lasted so long and make so much money?

Or is it that you don't need to know a lot ot make money in this business?

I send out one Newsletter a week. I'm usually very good at answering questions on the content store, assuming it gets through.

Hit me up again and no URL in the text, in fact add me before you send.

Will try to get hold of you.

Just found your record on our DB. Checks with your ICQ, name and nick name. Don't see a purchase for $300.

In fact all I see is $38 back in 2005.

Thanks for being honest. :1orglaugh

I could be wrong, but I got the impression he was going to spend $300 but changed his mind because of your attitude.

Do you think they do it because the in house are cheaper and a better alternative than outside affiliates, or the other way around?

Maybe they run the big expensive programs for affiliates because they like giving money away, or maybe it's because as an affiliate has already posted $500 a month is a figure to tell everyone?

By telling affiliates it's a tough game, needs to be worked and studied hard and needs time to build. Plus in the end you will always be a cheaper alternative than opening up your own own in house generation of traffic. And you need to have money to invest. You're being more honest.

Then only those prepared to put in the sweat and labour will take it on. It's this constant painting a picture that it's easier than it is, that pisses me off. Like a lot of snake oil salesmen selling a wonder drug.

Paul, you are missing the best quality of affiliates over employees. Employees perform the tasks you tell them to do. Affiliates come up with their own ideas!

Steve Lightspeed

50 broken magic join links :(

I get a different impression.

I don't send emails every day, if I sell shit and annoy him by send ing mail why is he putting his hand in his pocket and not asking me to delete him from my list?

I hit him up on ICQ to ask him if he had a problem, he turned it off after I sent the first message. The second was rejected.

Like it or not I'm one of the biggest content providers in the business. Even get accused of selling so well my content is saturated. Do you think I do that because I don't have good customer service?

Do you mean the sites www.5dollarsporn.com?

Ask them.
and there you go

its WAAAAAY too late to try to save face on that one.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

what are you complaining paul? Paysites aren't rocket science remember?? lol

BTW 1 more time, I wanted to work with you and list your girls on FreeOnes but you told me it was to much work for you, to bad huh lol

One of the funniest threads of all time that was :)

Oh and the other one with the fake surfer email :thumbsup

Somehow i can hardly belive that.

Agreed some of them do.

But how many, how many are newbies and how much traffic does newbies send?

I get your point and the guys submitting FHG, using sponsor content and copying what everyone else does accounts for how many.

Yes I turned you down.

After a few weeks spamming your board and only replying to threads asking for girls on my site and often asking for my content, I saw the value of having you as an affiliate and doing your work for you. I can employ a student on $30 a day to look after your site and do your work for you.

Your site is not worth it to us. Maybe it's worth it to others but the traffic I saw was very poor and worse than TGP traffic.

Now you can tell everyone I have a crap site. Blah Blah Blah.

Sausage you still selling the site with our bargain basement content on the tour. How well does it do? QuaShe is looking for sites if you'll do his job for him. :1orglaugh

Do you know what this thread lacks?

One sponsors saying, "Maybe it would be cheaper to get some guys doing the grunt work for $30 a day."

They could submit to Freeones because QuaShe does not have the time to and it's not worth him doing it himself, as you can see.

I think one of the real indicators of what a newbie affiliate earns comes from two posts. One telling us he earns WAY more than $300 a month and the other saying he earns at least $500 a month.

For my idea to work a guy driving traffic in house and full or part time has to make at least $1200 a month to start to return a decent profit.

Cut through all the BS and here it is. Your chances as a newbie with all the support, training and tools in the world of making $1200 a month is slim.

And it's better for sponsors to use outsiders.

Paul... maybe you should add the word "branding" to your vocabulary.

Most newbies will splatter galleries and banners all over the web, make one or two sales every 6 months. They leave and the ads, banners, galleries and traffic still exist in web archives and abandoned free hosting accounts.

All it costs the sponsor is $80 every 6 months or so... or maybe not? Considering the minimum payout is $100 the sponsor just got his site name viewed by many many people for free... many times over.

Another benefit to freelance workers. Never even thought of that one. 100s of guys submitting your galleries for free and branding your product.

Thanks. :thumbsup

Also do those links help with SE ranking?

model no speaky english big guy . . . shoot all you want . . and the reason I have the clients I do is because I'm not looking to sit on my ass and make easy money . . do what ever ya want over there Paul, not gonna affect me one way of the other

BTW go ahead and get some in house traffic guys and a shooter for $30-$50 a day . . nothing like training your competition is there? . . I had actually thought were smarter than that, guess not . .

Not scared of anyone competing with me. Do you think if Tiger Woods teaches a newbie to play golf he worries if the guy will one day be taking titles away from him? Not saying I'm that good as a shooter, in fact I'm not even close.

It's easy it is to teach a guy to point a camera. Hard to get him to be a good pornographer. Maybe that's why so few shooters sell sets for $5,000.00 on a regular basis and still own the set.

now why would anyone skip on freeones.com traffic.. 90% of my sales in the last 2 years have come from galleries listed on freeones.com. Hell, if I got an offer like the one you mentioned I would take it in an instant.

If I had a paysite I would do ANYTHING to get listed on freeones.. seriously their traffic is gold

I hate to tell ya but FreeOnes traffic is not as bad as you say. I'm rather happy they send me traffic. Joins are joins and they have no problem sending them :thumbsup

As I said I was spamming his board for weeks, it's why he threw me off and we fell out.

So after spamming it for weeks and watching the traffic to see how it performs, I was looking to see if it was worth spending money on advertising there, I turned down his offer.

As I said if it works for you fine, it would cost me peanuts to get a girl to put up galleries. Maybe I'm wrong, but if it's not worth it for him to do it why is it worth it to me?

As I said maybe I'm wrong, but I could not see the traffic coming and signing up.

Did you really just ask that?

I do have affiliates I do look after the way QuaShe wanted. I send them brand new girls, pictures and galleries, etc.

It's not that I don't do it for anyone.

yes, newbies may not send a shit load of traffic right of the bat, but we were all newbies at one point. Some will learn and succeed while others will give up because they can't do it right. Maybe one day the newbies that you think are useless will end up being the next big wig in this industry. Never underestimate people. Steve's point is that if you only use in house people to drive traffic to your site you limit yourself. You are stuck coming up with all the new ideas to generate traffic and hope that it works while you're footing the bill for the bandwidth being use and all the other shit.. than you have the outside affiliates who , in most cases (unless they're using sponsor free hosting) paying their own hosting bills, their own PA's, paid spot etc.. Also, they try to think up new ways to get traffic. So, imagine that there are 5000 newbie affiliates, 2500 of them are not bad and always coming up with new ways of getting good traffic. Than you have your in house affiliates which they are not that many.. Maybe 100.. they are all doing the exact same thing on a daily basis according to what you told them to do. You pay all the hosting, all the partner accounts, paid spots and their daily salary.

now tell me, why would anyone go with in house affiliates when it would just be financially stupid? Just because someone is a newbie it doesn't mean that they can't succeed. Like I said before, we were ALL newbie once.

Paul might be a spamming doofus, but how the hell is jon clark bashing him for anything? The guy is one step up from a sigwhore. Markham is an idiot on the boards, but he has done 1000 times what you have jon. You are trying way too hard to fit in.

ok, just my 2 cents here, but even though the freeones.com board is accessible from the main freeones.com site the traffic on the main site is a whole lot better. Why not try to build galleries, free sites etc.. and submit it to them? Like I said in one of my previous post, 90% of my sales to every sponsor came from galleries listed on freeones.com

. . so yer big plan is to sell crap custom content? hummmm . .

you are a fucking tool, do you wanna me my stats for this month? and my first ever month in adult.

i will show u them idiot.

your a fool sometimes, making yourself look stupid on a message board by trying to spam it, what kind of life to u lead.

hense the term when i started, u have taken a point and spinned it around into your ball of string.

pimpdogg is %100 right about u

Post with your real nick :2 cents:

Smart man.. which galleries do you submit? Its really hard to get listed for the most popular girls for me atleast

well, I make my own galleries, but with sponsor content. (reality cash, top bucks, traffic cash gold, mayors money etc..)

I look at the section on Free Ones fr the girl in my gallery to make sure that the content I'm using has not already been used. If it hasn't I submit the gallery to them. I don't always get listed, but when I do it's like gold. I've already had a few Brea Bennett (reality cash) galleries listed recently which have made me some sales.