Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 12324452)

I want to make sure everyone knows we pay out the biggest checks and nothing you can say or do will change that in fact we are once again raising payouts ! So everyone get ready cuzz MAY is going to be insaine with even bigger fatter checks for our affilaites, we are still the biggest and will remain so becaus we pay the biggest checks.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12328988)

Hey Wiredguy where did you go Mr 2 cents.

You jumped in this thread to tell me I am doing more harm than good. When in fact you probably infected 1000's of PCs with zango. :upsidedow Then i defend what i am doing here with several reasons stating how I am doing more good than bad and you run like a little bitch.

Why don't you come back and talk about this, or does one sentence comments and run, suit you better.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12324342)

Take my advice, shut the fuck up....

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 12329646)

Do you know I seriously doubt this.

If you pay more than anyone else why do you need to put up your payments? You are already the best place to send the traffic and there's little chance of someone sending it elsewhere.

If on the other hand you are slipping then you do need to pay more to get more people to stay on to try your program.

Just applying common sense to the discussion.

"We pay more and better than anyone else, so going to increase payments For no reason other than we are nice guys."

Make sense to anyone else?

Originally Posted by onlineriches (Post 12329230)

Will is using some pretty harsh language when it comes to Zango.

Last time I checked, they are an adware company not a spyware/malware company.

They clearly lay out terms and what comes bundled with their shit, so in no way are they 'infecting' users. It is very easy to remove, and each popup window clearly identifies the ad is served with Zango and provides links to removal instructions.

It currently conforms to all laws and requirements. They are running a brilliant operation and probably rolling in the dough.

In no way are they 'stealing' your sales, as the user has consented to receiving relevant advertisements to their searching.

Can't blame people for outsmarting the masses and reaping the rewards.

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 12330214)

This might be a dumbest post today, not many will debate AFF/CAMS is the biggest, and as for a reason to continue to raise payouts, its because they want to stay on top... :pimp

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 12330249)

Think like a business man and you might come to a different conclusion.

Giving out more to affiliates means you make less, if you get more traffic and more sign ups you can still maker less by paying out more.

Unless there is a catch somewhere.

Go get a calculator and work it out for yourself.

Paying out 50% of $100 = $50
Paying out 55% of $110 = $49.50
Paying out 55% of $120 = $54
Paying out 60% of $120 = $48

Unless you massively increase the turnover you can lose more than you gain. Unless there are catches. Maybe getting lots of newbies to send traffic they never get paid on makes it profitable.

Maybe your program works like that.

Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 12329363)

OnlineRiches,
The New York Times dubbed this kind of software as stealware. There is plenty of evidence out there showing exactly what is happening, and has happened. Sure, they morph thier business model a little every time they get into hot water.
http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/180-affiliates
http://www.benedelman.org/news/070804-1.html

If all their installs are so squeaky clean why did they just get fined by the FTC?

Why were they advertising porn to kids they sucked in from a kids site(and even made the graphics especially for children)? A real stand up maneuver from a standup company.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072701620.html

Why do they keep deleting relevant and factual information about them on Wikipedia?
http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2007/04...on-part-5.html

Why do they let the 'affiliate' that did the Myspace phishing continue pushing their scumware?
http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2006/07...l-pushing.html

To say that Zango / Seekmo / Hotbar / 180solutions / Metricsdirect software is easy to uninstall is almost true, depending on how and where you get it. But it certainly leaves a lot of artery clogging shit behind.

If you don't think you are losing sales to this type of software...
Even today you can lose a sale by Zango software popping up someones page that is identical to the page you just sent that surfer to. If that is not facilitating theft, what is? If a surfer is on AFF, why is there any reason to pop another full page of AFF, if not to steal that customer?

Why aren't they a member of the BBB anymore? Here's a link that gives a few details among other information about this thiefware company.
http://www.ghettowebmaster.com/zango...siness-bureau/

Will,
All these people that give you shit about making this public appear to be irritated that you upped their cost per click to steal traffic, or made their cut of the pie that much smaller when doing installs, or both. Those are the only reasons anyone might bitch about exposing scammers and thieves.

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 12330289)

Are we talking about the biggest affiliate program or the most profitable? Which thinking AFF is likely in the running for both, but that's another debate.... If AFF pays out more to affiliates than anyone else they are the largest affiliate program, you don't need calculator for that!

Fuck you are tool!

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 12330311)

Sorry I got it wrong. I don't think the biggest is the one who pays out the most to affiliates. I was thinking it's the one who makes the most money.

As I showed you the gains in sign ups have to rise a lot faster than the rise in payouts to just stay level. But if it's all about how much you payout you are dead right. Different scales of how we judge success.

Wizzo is just here to give money away.

And if you believe that you're stupid. Maybe he thinks you are stupid and that's why he's telling you this. He's not the tooth fairy and neither is AFF. The biggest guy is not always the guy who gives away the most. He can be trying to hold on to market share, trying to keep traffic from going elsewhere, trying to look like a good guy by paying out more.

If you think AFF will do 3% more sign ups for every 1% more they pay out then good for you. I do not think it's that easy.

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 12330289)

Are we talking about the biggest affiliate program or the most profitable? Which thinking AFF is likely in the running for both, but that's another debate.... If AFF pays out more to affiliates than anyone else they are the largest affiliate program, you don't need calculator for that!

Fuck you are tool!

Originally Posted by onlineriches (Post 12329230)

Will is using some pretty harsh language when it comes to Zango.

Last time I checked, they are an adware company not a spyware/malware company.

They clearly lay out terms and what comes bundled with their shit, so in no way are they 'infecting' users. It is very easy to remove, and each popup window clearly identifies the ad is served with Zango and provides links to removal instructions.

It currently conforms to all laws and requirements. They are running a brilliant operation and probably rolling in the dough.

In no way are they 'stealing' your sales, as the user has consented to receiving relevant advertisements to their searching.

Can't blame people for outsmarting the masses and reaping the rewards.

Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 12329363)

Will,
All these people that give you shit about making this public appear to be irritated that you upped their cost per click to steal traffic, or made their cut of the pie that much smaller when doing installs, or both. Those are the only reasons anyone might bitch about exposing scammers and thieves.