Then they give you ZERO content! AND the content you do get is vid screen caps!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had a guy place a small banner order. He gave me 0 content. I went out bought a few pics to use, figuring I would then earn a new client cause I went the extra mile for him.

He came back, told me the banners were horrible and each of them needed changes. I said fuck you, here's your 50 bucks for 5 banners and wasting my time.

Wow!

:Oh crap

Madness.

Sounds like you went over and above.

As I have said, there is plenty both ends. However I am coming to believe contracts, both ends, will end the waste of my company's time anyway.

:Oh crap

I'm grateful for all of those useless designers, because by the time the client comes to me they are very easily satisfied LOL

Barefootsies, if you are interested in testing some designers publicly I'm sure there's a few of us here who will happily have our service put to the test. I'm happy to accept a contract with a financial penalty for not meeting deadlines, provided all material is provided at an agreed time.

I provide or am provided with contracts for almost all of my mainstream clients, and can do the same for adult although I am rarely asked and most of my clients i've been working with for years so we skip the formalities & I keep their prices down. But you'll generally scare away most fly by night designers with contract talk so its a great idea to make that a step in your future transactions.

I can understand why most of the people who complain on here about designers have trouble, but you seem to be very clear about how you work so I am surprised you can't find a few designers to work with on a long term basis ... I hope you have better luck after this thread ;-)

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Well a lot of times I have stayed because of loyalty sake. But it's really becoming a pain. It's business, and it's time to step up to the plate and treat it like one.

Friends is friends. D'is is bidness.

yeah i gotta confess, if I am going to keep anyone waiting its usually my friends ... they are less likely to take their work elsewhere for fear of offense ;-)

Exactly.

In my experience if you are a repeat customer, for some reason, you get put at the back of the line prioritizing other clients. Or, the quality of work slides to meet deadlines.

Unacceptable.

When it's repeat business, you should give it "top notch guy priority" to keep the contract. When your work slides, deadlines are passed, and I start hearing designer's excuse handbook, then I pull the contract and go elsewhere.

The difference in the past was there was no monetary penalty.

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Which designers slash programmers have others had good experience with?

PHP/CMS/CSS/DB's

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I you're looking for a guy who's really solid with his php, talk to Chariott...

He must be low key. I do not recognize the handle.

fitty design peeves

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I have experience in ALL if that.
I been designing for over 10 years now and have worked with some of the largest companies around, plus worked for 2 major message boards.
I am low key guy because I normally work exclusively, for a sponsor.
I done work for , Intergal, CE, Shaw Internet, Traffic Cash Gold and many others.

Up until January, I worked for a year and a half for LotzaDollars and left there to go work for EscortBiz and TushyCash.

Lots of people from the old days, back on Ynot, know me as Rhino.
RB, Dean from Intergal, Meat, Aga, PK, Mike Gatefold, Rackhard, Lensman, Webfather and many others know me.

I've had many differant handles from different times, I worked with different companies, off here.
Don't let my post count fool you.
I been here a longgggggggg time.

But, If I don't know you, I will always ask for half up front.
If we have done business before, or if your a reputable, I'll work with you or even do the work up front.

Otherwise, the way I see it. If they won't even do a portion of the money up front or do something to garrentee, once the job is done, I'll get paid.
Then, they won't pay.

I just gave a guy a break and did a members logo for him and worked 2 days on this, only to have him skate around on me and I never got a dime.

Sounds like you are a man with the skills.

I know my shit and I don't fuck around, when it comes to work.
The only reason why I may not get the job done is because...
I'm either dead..or on my deathbed.

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Lets not confuse repeat customer with friend ... repeat customers are my number 1 priority which is essential if you want any future business. I have worked for many of the same clients for over 5 years, a handful for 9 years. I'll never understand why a repeat customer would come second. Every job done well is almost a guarantee of another job ...

My parents owned a restaurant for 17 years while I was growing up & without repeat business they would have gone under a couple of times.

But ... I also do a lot of mates rates jobs for friends & they will always wait the longest. I don't think that's a quality unique to designers though, my mechanic is the same but I couldn't complain because he hardly ever charged me!

Put a few of us mid level designers to the test ... we might not be mike wylde or blue design studios, but our prices are right and you might just find a couple of good folks to work with. ;-)

Sounds like a plan sire.

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:rasta :winkwink:

Any other web design or programmer recommendations?

Seeing as I'm considering offering my services, I might be a little vain and recommend myself.

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I'll hit ya up on ICQ when I have time to chat.

This has proven sooooo true it fills me with glee. :)

In the past when I just through out a simple design request, my ICQ blew up because I had designers from Russia, US, UK, Canada the Philippines and everywhere else hitting me up wanting to do work for us.

However in THIS case. Only the cream of the crop have contacted me, or I them (still working through the list as I have time to talk) that can make the commitment on this level.

They know coming in what I am looking for, and vice versa. Now it's a simple matter of matching up skill sets for the projects. Some are more detailed and need programmers versus just a designer.

It has been an interesting experiment to say the least.

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