yes I like them. they look really good

Yep pretty much.. People don't realize that they are creating a relationship with an animal, and that animal has needs according to it's species, not what we might think or want it will need to be cute.

As for the horseplay, packs play like that, it helps keep the heirarchy intact without fighting, but you still establish dominance I'm sure. Strong leadership can control any form of dog, and even small people can be good leaders.


As far as people saying dog attacked them unprovoked, it might have unprovoked on your end, but really, did you provoke the animals in dogspeak? Did you approach them with a weak or fearful energy (this instantly makes you prey)? Did you meet the dogs eyes head on or smile (bear your teeth at him in his mind) when you met him? You may have felt you weren't provoking the animal, but in it's eyes, you were, either by making it fearful, or by presenting yourself as weak or a challenge. Even an animal attacking in hunger or panic is not "unprovoked" they are acting on instinct.

i noticed, same article, above :winkwink:



bottom line ive said the whole time...its all about the owner and environment.... they have been bred for worse in the past and as a bloodline and in general they are capable of dangerous things...

I havent said pitbulls are any worse than another breed... and i like pitbulls they can be great looking and acting creatures....but i still wont trust one fully....not really any dog other than my own for that matter...

I think i can honesly say he(my dog) would never bite someone unprovoked.... he is just so docile its not funny.... when other dogs approach him to fight, he just turns his side and pees on them...shit you not...funniest thing I ever seen...

Exactly, like I said before...its nothing in our eyes, but to a dog...a child can be "intimidating" to them.... towards their owner I mean...

I hope you all understand my jabberings ;) maybe this is why i think some are misunderstanding my words...

pitbulls are not the evil...they are just the tool some people use...

every single pitbull owner I've ever seen on TV said the same thing right after they attacked someone.

punish the deed not the breed

mine is not a pitbull :P

hes more pussified


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I think it's important to understand that dogs operate under different drives. I hace included a brief description of some of them below.

Pack Drive - The social behavior displayed by dogs. When your dog brings you and presents you a toy, he is operating under pack drive. The need to please you.

Defensive Drive - The need to protect self, property and pack mates (Your family falls in this category as pack mate). A dog barking at strangers is demonstrating defensive drive.

Prey Drive - The desire to chase down what is observed as prey. This drive is a lot stronger in some breeds, like Rotteweilers for instance.

Children are _most_ often attacked by dogs in prey drive. The high pitched squealing, running and fast and jerky motions children often make is easily misunderstood by dogs. The body language children display is much different than adults and very confusing to dogs. A dog running up and down a fence (called fence running) barking at a group of children is most often not in defensive drive, rather, he is in prey drive.

My Male Rottweiler is about as friendly a dog as you can find. Loves everybody no questions asked he just wants to be your friend. That being said, it's completely my responsibility to make sure he never gets out to wander on his own. Children running by most probably get chased and cats or other small animals would be too much temptation for him to ignore. That's why I have a fenced yard, with locked gates. My dogs simply can't get out.

well said...

you sir are a good responsible owner...

mine is the same way...

are you kidding? the breed came about specifically for fighting. they were created to fight. the breed was created to make a better fighting dog.

Yes, but dog-dog aggression is VERY different than dog-person aggression. Pittbulls were created to fight other dogs, not people. They are in fact not considered part of the "man stopper" breeds of dogs.

In actual fact, a fighting dog that was aggressive to people, specifically handlers would have to be destroyed as it could not be safely handled.

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Negative.

I've known some really sweet Pit's, but even the nicest ones need proper handling, training, and a very secure yard. When I was looking for a dog to adopt, I kind of just didn't want the hassle. There a plenty badass breeds that are known for being friendly. I settled with a shepard/retriever, and she's great.

Genetics is a bitch and they were bred for a purpose.

Just like with a rat terrier.

we had some druggie here in town who actually had 2 rottweilers and while the woman and her addict boyfriend slept/passed out in the bedroom .. the 2 dogs killed and pulled apart her 2 year old child in the living room ... she just went to court over it ... personally any dogs that are even remotely aggressive and kids just don't mix .. and pit bulls in my opinion are an aggressive breed ..but thats just my opinion

Actually, the truth of the matter is young children should never be left unsupervised with any breed of dog. :2 cents:

i got bit by a pit bull when i was younger, it just jumped up and grabbed my hand, freaked me out for life

now i dont like being around dogs i cant punt

Yeah at FIRST. I can guarantee you NOW most pits wern't bred to fight. As I used the Atika example before there are ZERO Akitas that are now bread to hunt bears. Just because they were once that way doesn't mean it will always be that way.

totally... its not worth the risk... I trust my dog and I honestly wouldnt ever think he would/could ever bite a kid, but I wont let it even have a chance... hes never loose and hes never unsupervised when my friends bring their kids over.... or hes put in another room just for the fact that he wont leave them alone .... we would lick their faces off if he could...

im more worried for him being taken than the kid being hurt...

only because its not my kid ;) if it was mine, hed be shot

Well

A) the parents sounded like bad parents dog or not dog.

B) Rottwiellers are not INSDIE dogs. Let alone TWO of them. Would you keep a pony inside?

C) Young children should never be left alone around ANY pet. Leave a 2 year old around a cat hat hasn't been declawed and I guarantee you most of the time you'd get a child with cuts on their face.

do not like them.

Rottweilers are very social dogs and prefer to be wherever you are. I have 3 Rottweilers, and I live in Costa Rica where it's warm enough year round to keep the patio door open for them. Given their choice, they spend most of their time chilling indoors. They go outside to play (I have a large fenced yard) or go to the bathroom but primarily hang around with me. A Rottweiler that is kept soley outdoors will be an unhappy dog.

Weak people like these kind of dogs to help assert their masculinity.:thumbsup

No that's what guns and sports cars are for.

Sorry, but that doesn't make them any less a slave to their instincts. Those instincts have been in development for MILLIONS of years, and 10,000 years of domestication is NOT going to "breed anything" out of a dog. They may be "domesticated", but they are literally a few genes different than a wolf out in the wild, and they aren't the genes that change anything other than their physical appearance. They are still "wolves" inside, no matter how big or small, no matter what "specialty" breed they are, or how well trained they are. Even the most incredibly trained and well-behaved dog in the universe will revert to their wolf instincts if the situation calls for it.

And those are the only pit-bull owners you will see because the media loves a circus. I know many many people who own extremely balanced and behaved pit-bulls, and I have owned them myself in the past. The people you are talking about should never own ANY dog, they only have their dogs as status symbols, not because they plan on being responsible for it. It's all a matter of the owner.

Many fighting dogs have been "bred", but all dogs will respond to proper leadership and boundries that are set and enforced. A newborn can be safe with a pit bull if the dog is balanced and submissive. You don't have to be cruel or aggressive to make them that way either, you simply need to be confident in your leadership and consistant..just like teaching a child.

That person should not own animals or have kids, period.

Agreed! They are not responsible or mature enough to take responsibility, and they often don't know when they are being hurtful. Many dog attacks on children start when the child unknowingly hurts the dog and triggers the defensive instinct in the animal. Pain is the fastest way to take a dog to base instincts.


I have two dogs, they are black lab/field-bred springer spaniel crosses. They aren't huge dogs, not small either, 50 pounds each or so. However, I will NOT leave any of my three children with them unattended, even the 8 year old, because often they don't realize when they are taking the dog's excitement level to a point where they can get hurt. And not even neccessarily from dogs biting or attacking, but a large dog can knock a small child over and maul them with love as quickly as they can with aggression, and the kid will end up hurt either way. Responsible pet owners and responsible parents will supervise ALL interactions between animals and children, and will in the process show their children the proper way to treat animals. I have *0* use for parents who let children have their way with animals, then cry and whine when their kids are blinded by a cat scratch or attacked by Fido, the family mutt who "never hurt a flea before". Ya, Fido suffers, but your little asshole kid is still running around ripping the ears of innocent pets.

I'm not a big fan of the breed. Nothing to do with it's rap.
But I think with these breeds - the wrong type of people tend to rasie them and make them agressive.

If a dog has aggression in his bloodline, no matter how well he is raised and loved, there is a risk he will become aggressive protecting his range (your property) and the alpha of the pack (primary dog owner).

Now some will never do that....but there is increased risk, so I would not recommend something like a pit bull for a guy who has a family...so the guys wife was right in telling him to find a new home for the pit bull. Pit Bulls and children should NOT mix. Something may never happen, but do you really want to take that risk?

My opinion differs somewhat, but you have to REALLY be prepared to be a true leader if you are going to own pit bulls and have children. One of my best friends used to train police dogs, and she currently has 2 pit bulls and 5 children. They live harmoniously together, but the children have also been taught to treat the animals with respect and not maul them with love, and she is around all interactions between animals and children. Those dogs KNOW though, that those kids are the "puppies" of the pack and therefore "higher" than them in rank, they would never dream of hurting the "pack'" puppies.

LOL. My thoughts exactly.

Most people who get those kinds of dogs get them because they want them as a status symbol.. they are "tough" dogs. They have no idea what they are in for and they should definitely not own "fighting" dog.

I don't like them....

You're literally a few genes away from being a chimpanzee should we expect you to revert to swinging from the trees if the situation calls for it?

What about police or seeing eye dogs? You're telling me they aren't well enough trained to be controlled in any situation without resorting to being wolf like? :error

youre all getting out of hand and off track...just read what i said...youre all repeating yourself...Lady M has it too

Dogs dont have thumbs so we cant trust them, they are envious of us and our evolutionary appendages.

They ALL feed for blood and they will start with our lil morsels of joy.

Pit bulls are the MOST vicious canine breed, its a proven scientific fact, these facts come from yale, but not harvard. Harvard people owns lapso apsos! Pussies!

for all the people spouting things about genes and chromosomes... thats makes no bit of a difference...

humans are 2 chromosomes from being a fucking daphodile...

blood and history overcomes cunning thought


get a life... Pit bulls or dogs in general are a proven hazard...towards kids that is...

we dont leave a kid unattended with a pool .... yet were not going to kill off our waters system are we?

try and contradict me... it will get you nowhere...

And human beings are more controlled by our instinct than we care to acknowledge, that doesn't mean that it's not a factor in almost all the decisions we make to one extent or another.

As for police or seeing-eye dogs, any animal can snap under trauma, and their "default operating system" is instinct. My friend told stories of police dogs that had been the victims of trauma or abuse at the hands of offenders that were never the same and in some cases had to be put down because of the level of damage. Some of these animals even reverted and attacked their own trusted handlers and trainers. An animal is an animal is an animal.

they seems to be so aggressive.