First off.. Castro doesnt have any power.. if Chavez wants cooperation with Cuba and use Fidel as his adviser, its because he chooses to.. and not the other way around.. And btw.. many countries are being informed by foreign intelligence services.. it happens all the time..

As for your question.. you are assuming that Cuba is pulling the strings.. which I dont believe.. Btw.. whats the difference between the relation between Cuba/Venezuella and Israel/US .. ?

If a hostile country to the US, that tried an unsuccessful coup against the president earlier and openly shared their intent to get rid of the guy, was, along with their secret services pulling the string at NBC and were continuously pushing propanga.. mmh.. I guess I would agree that it needs to be shut down..

Castro might not have any power right now that he is dying, but Chavez has said countless times that his first inspiration after Bolivar is Castro.
Castro has been trying to intervene in Latin America for ages.He sent his guerrillas during his 60´s/70´s and they even killed venezuelan troops and now we have to stand that this traitor Chavez brings them in to the country.
What good advice can Chavez get from a dictator that has held his country hostage for decades?
The Cuban G2 does not "inform" the venezuelan intelligence services.The intervene and operate here freely.The venezuelan intelligence department is called the DISIP.The DISIP is completely intervened by the cuban G2 .Once again, I´m not making this up.My mother works for the government and she´s seen it as have countless other family members and government employees.

You are obviously not very well informed. The Venezuela/Cuba relationship is widely known.It´s not purely a commercial or diplomatic relationship.
If I was an israeli citizen I wouldn´t be happy at all about a foreign government intervening in government issues either.But since I am not, I can´t say anything about that.How do you feel about that relationship?

I think you are missing the point that Chavez is closing down any channels for disidence in the country.

lol.. I guess you're the one not very well informed...Israel has tremoundeous pull in the US government.. you know AIPAC? The US gives billions to Israel each year.. etc..

I have yet to see any solid evidence that the US had anything to do with the events of 2002. These "revolutionary" leaders always need to blame the US and imperialism for all the problems , to arouse poor people´s nationalism.
I also have yet to see any evidence that the US was pulling the strings at RCTV.There were some papers that surfaced last week about some of the reporters receving grants from U.S organizations but that´s it.
RCTV was hardly "continuously pushing propaganda". Most of their programming consists of soap operas and entertainment shows.
What the government didnt like was one of the morning shows with one of the most critical reporters and the evening news for showing the population the constant corruption and huge problem with crime in the country.

Chavez closed it and now we only have one news station reporting on what´s going on.
During all the protests yesterday this was the only station that reported what was going on in the streets.

wait, wait, don't you understand? Bush is the dictator! Chavez is a man of the people!


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That´s the point....I´m not an israeli or US citizen so I don´t care.It´s your choice if you want to stand for it.
I choose not to stand for cuban intervention in Venezuela and the closing down of one of the two independent TV stations here.

I have yet to see any evidences that someone can juggle with 10 balls.. So what? lol .. Do better research you'll find some..

That´s what gets me about these seudo-leftists. Just because they hate Bush and Chavez is constantly insulting Bush then: Chavez=good guy :thumbsup

Dont get me wrong. I dont agree with most of the stuff Bush does but I dont see him closing TV stations critical of the government and constantly sending his armed circles to terrorize journalists.

I live here.I am constantly bombarded by the government propaganda about it which is far form objective.I was there during the april events and saw people getting shot.
What is your evidence? The government paid websites?

Haha what a joke, dont believe everything the mainstream media tells you. The station he closed was backed and run by the american propaganda machine, thats why he closed it.

Chavez changed many laws when he took power allowing freedom of press and speech. I recommend the documentary 'the revolution will not be televized' on this issue.

Chavez is one of very few who dare to stand up to the american war machine, and I respect him for it.

AYYYY FUCKIN MEN! lol :thumbsup :thumbsup Great to hear from someone actually down there. Good luck with it, and be careful.

And where are you from?

He is new wave of insenity or democraty!

Dictators suck

Oh great another Bush is bad, Chavez good!
Hey Tzolkin I live here. I saw the RCTV programming until he closed it down.There was no "american propaganda machine" behind it.

Do you know the venezuelan government paid the makers of that documentary? Do you know that the documentary that replies to that one has barely any backing?
I was there during april 2002. I saw the National Guard shoot at people and not rubber bullets. I saw a woman that was protesting next to me get part of her ear shot off by the Chavez supporters.

Do you also respect Chavez for restricting freedom of speech in Venezuela? Do you respect the fact that he has no respect for the people that dont agree with him?

It´s sooo easy to support a man that rules in a country miles away from where you comfortably live...

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a reply. :thumbsup

Venezuela used to have such a strong economy that they were one of the few countries on the visa waiver program for the U.S....My how times have changed

Venezuela still does have a strong economy - can't remember all the stats and maybe a year or so out of date, but around 2004 was showing an annual increase of 16% (more than any prime industrialized counties) and over 9% increse in GDP in more recent years (again, more than any prime industrialized country).

In the last roughly six months, Chavez has been contracting with a broader "customer base" for future oil sales and also dumping plenty funds into other industries which also export other product eg aluminum, mining etc.

Sure.. it depends if his "investments" end up being profitable and effective overall, but even without them, Venezuela is fairly strong for a while ahead and owes very little in foreign debt.

and yet most Venezuelans live in poverty... pretty fucked up situation for those people living there.

This is true man - and these are often the core supporters of Chavez.

Think the current poverty level is around 30-35% at the moment - which is a reduction on past years when it was almost touching 50% ish.

Agree even 30 something percent is too high, but even industrialized countries have poverty levels of 12-15%.

Some amateur videos (not the kind we are used to around here)
I was in the same place they show in the first video a few hours before.Good thing I left before things got worse.
Some Chavez supporters (in red hats) in a government building (those are real weapons):
https://youtube.com/v/bkUd3BADM4s

The Metropolitan Police and some protesters (using rubber bullets):
https://youtube.com/v/yp5LLcMf2vg

These videos can only be transmitted on TV after 11pm because a law Chavez enacted after the april 2002 events.

So how was dinner in downtown Caracas this evening kektex? :winkwink:

Yea... better out of the firing line man:thumbsup It looks like a quieter night of riots in Northern Ireland - the Molitoff Cocktails have not started yet.

Hope tomorrow is more peaceful and maybe Hugo might get the hint :pimp

The ministry of the interior declared that there are 182 people detained.Among them 70 under age kids.
Things around here got pretty wild and suddenly it all went quiet for some reason.My guess is most people are just tiring out the National Guards and the MP.
I saw some guys yesterday throwing some molotov cocktails at an MP barricade, and then the tear gas started and I couldnt see shit :1orglaugh I had to run in to a building were some lady opened the door so a bunch of us could escape.

I dont think he is gonna get the hint.He is now threatening the only TV station reporting the events.He doesn't want information to get out.

I was sure after he won the elections that he will put his foot on any freedom left uncontrolable. Economy, press, communications, then passports, probably.

Jesus Christ, the man worships Fidel Castro after all, but he has more wealth and economic power at his will, which makes him far more dangerous. And he is using it.

Add to the puzzle that he has very good relations with China, Iran, Russia and they are controlling together a enormous quantity of natural resources and growing energy markets.

This man is dangerous, I said it before. Don't underestimate him.

I hate to repeat myself, but if I were you, I would pack and run in a heartbeat, while I still can.

Jeez... don't sound too good - especially if Chavez still has the attitude of more threats to curb broadcasting. He's got little chance of "winning" in the end - tho he prob will still have some support among people.

This crap is also not good for deals he has done with other countries which would have benefitted Venezuela. There are "frowns" around Centro America over this and a silence in dealings with Chavez's "friends" in the region - tho no idea what the reaction is in Peru, Bolvia etc.

Now.. on the Molotov recipe... you got plenty coke bottles, gas, chorline tablets and a gas mask? :winkwink: :thumbsup

Seriously, cover your ass man - even unintended accidents can happen when adrenaline flows on both sides.

Didnt you just say yesterday that Venezuela has more freedoms, and is better than the U.S.? :1orglaugh

Funny you should mention passports.I got mine a month ago after about a couple of months of trying to get it.It's always been hard to get a passport here but lately it's getting harder than ever and some people are reporting that they are being singled out for signing against Chavez in the referendum.

I don't have any intentions of leaving my country yet. I'm graduating in december and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let that clown take that away from me.

Scum trying to communicate yet again??? Gawd, you are a pathetic lying specimen.. To answer your pointless dribble - yes, it does have more "freedoms" than you will ever know ignoramus. Live with it.

Now :321GFY by stuffing your head up your ass and fart till you gas yourself and quit trolling around making imbecile comments to every post you come across - lying slimebag.

Lol tell that to the people getting shot. Lots of freedom when you are dead right? :uhoh

Good on ya man :thumbsup

If you ever do have a problem and need to be elsewhere - can help and you are most welcome.

There are already a few Venezuelan people here - they moved out when Chavez first stepped into office.

Apply that shit to your own problems in Iraq and I'll repeat yet again - I don't "discuss" with ignorant lying Tennessee brain dead swamplife.

:321GFY trolling scumbag

Says the user posting under a second account because his first got banned... lol:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thanks everyone for reading this thread and offering support and advice.I needed somewhere to vent after all this stuff.
I'm gonna get some sleep now...it's gonna be a long day tomorrow.

Fuck me... you are seriously fucking mentally ill...

FUCKING DROWN YOURSELF IN THE SWAMP TROLL :321GFY

Thanks for posting kektex - keep at it :thumbsup

Viva Venezuela

Or Pura Vida! as my hat says that Im wearing atm. Wonder how you would like it if I ACTUALLY trolled you... :1orglaugh

You are the most meaningless ingorant lying trolling imbecile on GFY.

This thread alone proves that and also how fucking selfish your shitty ass actually is. Welcome to the world of karma heading your way - you'll know it when it hits you. Meanwhile :321GFY lying slimeball.

Karma is likely to hit you dead between the eyes. There are consequences to accusing people of cp "pandering" and insinuating they have plans to use their kids for it. Trust me on that. :disgust

What is ingorant btw? What irony. lol

Jeez .. you are one serious sicko and keep drifting from one topic to the next living in hope... and obviously don't have a clue about shutting your stupid lying selfish trolling mouth and fucking up other people'e threads with your obsession and putrid trolling hate thru a number of threads on this board.

Take a tip and fuck off back to the swamp - and don't fucking address me. You have already been told this 50 times - take the hint and drown yourself.

PS And yes, I noticed the further lying mouth on this post.