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Have you seen the AVN thread going on? Seems like they are in the same boat to me ... http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/738041-avn-adbrite-selling-space-piratebay.html

AFF would't have anything to do with that ? :winkwink::1orglaugh not just for the DVD Business but for all membership sites as well.

He needs attention.

It is simple. He starts a thread like this so people will bash him then he cries about people being mean to him all the time and how he is a victim.

LOL so you would rather have no heart then be a coward :1orglaugh

I don't know where xbiz is but AVN is busy on piratebay and torrent sites too.

Yeah this really sux



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I am surprised they haven't done an article on the funding of these torrent sites

no one has contacted the NY Times author?

You are very right.

Your kidding about this right or hitting the Jaeger too hard?

DVD sales are down and Adult VOD sales are on the rise.. The only problem is old school porn people refuse to change.

jesus...you suck at public relations.

Rochard has it straight.

It always come down to quality. Times change and so do taste that is why you always have to shoot new stuff.

On the other hand I think the bashing in regards to Legendary is starting to get very weak.

The guy has given more stock advice then a broker who would charge you through the nose.

:helpme:1orglaugh

yah it is , tell lars to stop paying people who give away dvd's , then tell him to stop advertising next to child porn torrents , then tell him to pay back all the money he paid zango to rip off his own affiliates.

cry me a fiucking river bozo

Boy am I in miserable user mode? No one wants to comment on it I guess...

What the fuck does stock advice matter? He's making the money he invests by running ads on torrent sites, on spyware systems like Zango, and by basically turning a blind eye to everything from copyright violations to CP.

The bashing Lars stuff is getting old, I agree - but the stopping doing business with lars and his ilk is starting to pick up steam. You might not undertand it, but paying all these torrent sites to stay in business is one of the things contributing to the porn business going downhill - but it doesn't hurt the dating business. Literally, AFF is fucking over the porn business and sucking all the money out of it, like someone eating a crawfish.

Enough is enough. Copyright holders better wake up before they don't have a business left or a market left to sell in.

BUMP! Worth reading again .... :2 cents:

It is weak to call people out for fucking over almost everybody :321GFY

Wow are you and Rochard both missing the point might as well start a new thread about it.

Convience, quality, and cost. If you can't compete in one area, you better compete in the others.

The torrent sites have cost down to T - NOTHING. Nobody in a commercial business can directly compete with free.

Convenience? With Google giving the torrent sites good listings and companies like AFF paying them well for dating site referals, these torrent sites are getting more and more convenient.

Quality? It is potentially their only downfall, because you may have to wait a long time for a download that turns out to be nothing more than crap short clips or a corrupted file. But over time, more and more full site rips and full DVD iso are coming out and that pretty much gives them everything they need.

It is my opinion that if you remove the economic benefits, many people who are currently running Torrent sites won't do it anymore. If pressure is put by the copyright holders onto Google to stop listing torrent sites that are packed with copyright violations, thus removing these sites from the public eye... that will help.

It starts in our back yard. The copyright holders need to start serving the sponsors with DMCA notices and start putting the pressure on Google to make a difference.

Lars and AFF should be ashamed of themselves from stealing from their friends, but I suspect the large stack of cash in front of them makes it very hard for them to look anyone in the eye.

I don't think it is what you are saying as no one likes you and wants to chat with you, it is like talking to the wall... why bother. :2 cents:

I don't think it is what you are saying as much as no one likes you and wants to chat with you, it is like talking to the wall... why bother. :2 cents:

you are an idiot. Free stock advice vs single handedly trying to bankrupt every adult membership site and hurting a lot of affiliates in the process. :warning:upsidedow

Besides this guy has proven time and time again everything he does it to make himself more money. I would bet anything his stock advice is bullshit and for personal gain. He probably buys a lot of stock on a company and then posts here saying that the same company is a good buy. Every little bit could help run up the price on what he just bought.

The same person who owns a company who steals traffic and helps people distribute stolen content is going to give stock advice out of the kindness of his heart. Wake the fuck up, Lars doesn't shit unless it makes him money and if it makes him more he will shit on you.

Stock advice :1orglaugh:upsidedow

Nice sidestep whiner. Now why have you not sent a notice to torrentspy notifying them of the problem? Why because you would lose a weapon in your hate on aff arsenal period. You are pathetically transparent. You still have not answered the question. Doesnt matter if its me or anyone asking, you'll avoid the answer.

You'd lose your ability to combine cp and aff for shock value. Im guessing LOTS of people on AFF are looking for children. Fucking moron.

For the record there is NO cp on those links anymore. Funny I reported the links and they were removed. Imagine....

No response from the aff haters group? The cp link is gone, so what is the next weapon to try and use?

You're being stupid. Why can't you see that? Of course they're glad the CP link is gone. Well done!

Will the torrents post underage or CP content still? Of course. They almost always have. Will companies like AFF who currently accept torrent traffic continue to support it? Probably.

Do they have the abilty to refuse to show their ads on links that contain the url "child", "lolita", etc? Yes, but they don't. Why not? Probably because it's not as important to them where the traffic comes from. As ASCAP corporate sponsors however, it -should- be important for them. Apparently neither AFF nor ASCAP cares either way.

Silly you know why? Go search google for cp. Do ads come up beside cp related searches?

My point was everyone was going after AFF for an AFFILIATE placing ads there, not aff directly. And people are more worried about the advertiser, than the actual issue which is the cp. I dont care about torrent traffic. It is something that can be used for good or bad. Those who look only for the negative are losing a lot of revenue. Torrents are a HUGE untapped resource in adult. Huge. No one is going to stop torrents, just as no one stopped p2p. They tried, but it is still going on strong as ever.

It is a method of distributing large files via multiple users. It is a tool. Just like any tool and can be used for good or bad. I can take a hammer and break someones skull in, so should we ban hammers? I can also take it and build a house with it.

Now the real issue is as Ive said hundreds of times before. If you have content you need to protect your asset. Instead of wasting time whining about torrent sites and p2p and file sharing sites, spend the time trying to figure out a better method of protecting your assets.

If the front door on your house broke would you sit and whine that people were taking your shit, or would you figure out how to fix the lock? So much fucking time wasted on whining, when people should be spending that time trying to figure out the real problem. Securing your content.

Here comes someone saying oh it cant be done, and oh they will just bypass the protection. blah fucking blah.

I'm just posting in here to steal traffic from Lars :1orglaugh

but seriously innovation will always succeed.

Spot on. :thumbsup

the reason is because as always (since late 90's) wherever there is shady shit going down on the internet, there is an AFF ad right there. thats why. its always been that way.. its always been complained about and brought to peoples attention. its not a new issue.

AFF is a huge part of the problem.. as people point out constantly, they are one of the best converting sponsors for this type of traffic and they do nothing but keep raising payouts. they know where their traffic comes from and they don't mind taking it, no matter what it is until its time to play the "oh, thanks for bringing that to our attention" game.

Its not an isolated thing.. its their business model and it has always been this way. people are right to get increasingly pissed about this shit.

They dont have content. Its a totally different business model than a normal adult paysite. And of course they are everywhere they are one of the top companies in adult. You can promote them mainstream, or adult both. Its affiliates putting the ads there more than aff. Sorry I just see it as a pick on the rich kid type thing.

Yep, that's about all you said.

Read it again. This is typical. People would rather be a part of the mob, instead of trying to fix the underlying problem. But hey keep trying to stop your content from going out the door. Much more fun to bitch and moan about it after the fact. Good attitudes. :thumbsup

Your reply spoke volumes. It completely ignored the ability to block referrers by keyword for example. One of the most simplistic methods available. You can block referrers by keyword and responsible sponsors already do that.

So yeah, basically the only thing you're saying is "blah fucking blah."

I know a lot of people who download dvd's from torrents because most of them suck. They would rather download for free. If the movie sucks, they are not out the $$ of a shitty porno


Not that I support that..just sayin.. :2 cents:

So these sponsors can block what users submit on a torrent site? Is that like magic join links?

And what the fuck does that have to do with securing your own content on your sites? Jebus....

try saying it to the wall, it might have a greater impact. A post made to sticky is time wasted. The guy is never wrong and knows everything. I've given up on wasting time on even attempting to reply to his comments. You make 1 post that is logical he makes 10 in reply that is bullshit but he thinks he has it all figured out. It's all us picking on the rich kid, yeah thats it :1orglaugh

seriously, you can't win with him not even worth trying. and i get to see his replies when people try to reply back to him :disgust

Thought I told you not to utter a breath in my direction again. You fuckin
cunt. :321GFY

Nice site btw

http://realitywebcams.com rofl processor IBILL good luck with that lol.

I started appearing in movies shot on 8mm, moved to selling photographs of naked girls through the post, moved to selling sets to magazines, to mail order VHS, to DVD, to the Internet and now sell to mobile phones content providers. The product stays the same, the delivery method changes. When you think it's all about the delivery method you make the biggest mistake possible.

Good post Rochard. :thumbsup

The most active person in protecting his copyright is Norman Zada, owner of Perfect 10. Yet instead of standing behind him we ridicule him. Until this industry stands together with people like Norman Zada, we will fall.

However you are spot on with the quality thing. We also need to make our product more worth buying. You can't wipe out the pirates, but you can raise the surfers willingness to buy porn. Start making the surfer KING would be a good move, treat him like a nuisance and he will vote with his feet.

Some believe they can force people to buy a product, others think if you show it to enough people enough will buy it. And some think you have to be presenting a better product.

you are missing the point, or you are just too stupid to get it.

again... slowly... try go grasp this and then you can go back to memorizing fox news sound bites... so you can keep embarrassing yourself in other conversations.

AFF has ALWAYS been the most prolific sponsor showing up on any shady site online. THEY KNOW IT. THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR TRAFFIC COMES FROM. THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CRITICIZED FOR THIS ISSUE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AFFILIATES.. of course affiliates put ads there. THEY KNOW WHERE AFFILIATES ARE PUTTING ADS. THEY KNOW WHERE CLICKS COME FROM. they are not an innocent party in the process. they are in fact, as they always have been... the single largest supporter of warez sites, torrent sites, free mp3 sites, stolen content forums etc etc etc. Its not news. its not news to them or anyone else but you.

anyone thats been in this business for more than 7-8 years, knows exactly what i am talking about.

i don't get why people get sooo jealous of another when someone does well.


it's a sad statement on the darker side of the human character

Hitler also made the trains run on time. Too bad he didn't get adequate support from the unappreciative masses

perfect 10 was always ridiculed for their overly aggressive behavior and their chosen way of going about this, not to mention the more recent lawsuits which went down in flames. not for protecting their rights... and as a result of many of their actions, they've done more harm to their own cause than good.

You know I love yer so don't take this the wrong way.

Would you be upset if people were making money taking your sites or supporting people who were?

Lars used to be considered a God in this industry, he was the guy who thought ahead and came up with great ideas. Is supporting people stealing content a great idea?

So who else is there to stand behind?

Because he did it badly when others did nothing, or very little, is not so wrong. We as an industry need to look at how we protect our copyrights aggressively and it has to be very aggressive. I remember the biggest problem with APIC was Steve, he learned being an ass hole got more results than being a nice guy. Yes he went down in the end, but more because people paying him saw the benefit of pirated content, THEN.

Sometimes the only protection is to use the method Acacia do, it costs more to fight us than it does to comply. We will hound you until you comply. We let pirates know we will pursue them with every means at our disposal and are prepared to spend until they break.

There are people who would be excellent for the job, people used to campaigning for us. We as an industry need to pay them and provide them with a war chest. Talk on GFY and other boards is cheap. Fighting the problem is expensive.

Is it worth us fighting?

am i saying it's right - no

i am saying we need ways to adapt.

I'm doing that :2 cents:


adapt or die - it's how we all began in the first place.

the question is not "who will the industry stand behind" - the question is "why won't the industry every take a stand... ever... at all."

this is a business of individualists. always has been. thats its greatest problem.. its inherently programmed toward self destructive behavior and its own destruction. its a business full of disingenuous people, disingenuous behavior and who are relying on disingenuous relationships to make a buck.

i think that its perfectly reasonable for most in the industry expect the industry's own leaders and certainly certain self proclaimed leaders and most other moderately successful companies to not be supporting and funding the piracy and cannibalism of its own industry and support the direct theft of content from their own "friends", affiliates and partners. that can have an effect almost immediately.