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I don't have a problem with the hospitals around here that I have went too. They clearly state if it is an emergency or a woman is giving birth to a child, the hospital must provide care for them even if they don't have insurance or not able to pay.
You should know to have some sort of insurance in place for your family. |
Let me tell you a story.
One of my best friends here in Los Angeles has been diagnosed with congestive heart failure. He was going in and out of a doctors office and paying for everything out of his own pocket because EVERY insurance company in the US that he tried to buy insurance from denied him for a preexisting condition. He is a US citizen and has paid taxes in this country for many years but was born in England. He can not afford health care in the US any longer as he is disabled and can not work a steady job and they will not let him purchase insurance. He has been denied treatment 2 times when he was almost dead. He finally went back to England and from there he also went to France where he has been treated for his condition and kept alive. He goes back and forth every so often for testing and medication. The British and French government reimburse him for his flight. Now you tell me what is wrong with this picture? If he had relied on the US for treatment he would be DEAD. :2 cents: |
Dont know we have full insurance on our family. Didnt pay a dime when we just had our new baby. 3 and a half days in the hospital and was all covered by insurance.
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i am located in NY and i have a PPO but its a lil over $400 a month BUT i never get denied anything and i can see the best doctors. Any medicine i want costs me $10 or less....
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for all those who do not have health insurance here, if you are self employed, or LLC or S-corp you should look into joining an association in your area. Go in on their group policy and get better rates that way....something to look into
if you are located in NY or Long Island you can join http://longislandassociation.com/ rates from like $200 to $500 a month depening on what u go with...only $35 fee to join teh LIA |
my child had a high fever and I spent the day trying to get his fever down, and when I called a help line to see what else to do, they called ambulance for me, and when we got to the hospital we waited for 3 hours and his fever went back to normal.."i guess the trip outside in the cold" and we just left with permission from the nurse in waiting room.
emergency room is always packed and takes serveral hours to get in. Canada |
A couple of years ago my wife and I got new insurance, and we asked the agent specifically if it would cover her having another baby (we were very adamant in asking about pregnancy/labor coverage).
The agent told us 100% it would after we carried the insurance for a year. Over a year later she gets pregnant and guess what, the insurance company tells us NOTHING is covered. Apparently they sent us an "update" to the contract which took out all pregnancy eligibility from the plan (which I had never seen or recieved). So not only did we pay 900 a month into a plan we couldn't use, we had to go out-of-pocket for the birth, which ended up being a c-section and expensive. We are trying to fight it but it's like battling a gigantic monster and we're fucking broke from paying the hospital bills. Fuck those fuckers. |
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If you were single, you would be whoring for healthcare :2 cents: |
People die in hospital parking lots in ever city. It happens here to man :-(
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It's sad but it happens. Who will pay for their hospital bill? It aint cheap treating him
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wow....in the face of death of a young child..you can still manage to pull t his out i must say im impressed...i thought i was a hard ass |
If they had said we have no insurance, their baby would still be alive.. very sad. I'm paying about $38k out of pocket right now. I make too much money to get any government (fed or state) assistance. I will look into some sort of self employed group insurance as I have ongoing issues/needs. But I'm not too hopefull of getting it to be honest.
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i like michael moore's documentaries because they make you think, but i also take them with a grain of salt because he has a strong bias towards the subject matters he covers and never presents the pros to his cons.
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I liked the movie because it went beyond just people not having insurance. Insurance companies fuck us all the time. They tell doctors what treatments they can do, they tell them what drugs are allowed, and they basically run the hospitals. I've had multiple friends have to leave the hospital early after surgery because the insurance company refused to pay for the days the doctor told them they should be staying.
Whatever happens with healthcare, one this needs to be changed immediately. INSURANCE COMPANIES SHOULD HAVE NO SAY IN YOUR MEDICAL TREATMENT. The doctor should do what they feel is best, and the insurance company should pay. |
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http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3715383/..._Michael_Moore its perfect dvd quality |
A few years ago I went to the emergency room with severe pains in my lower abdomen, with no insurance. They assumed it was kidney stones since the symptoms were exactly the same. They gave me lots of drugs for the pain and kept me in the ER while trying to arrange transfer to a charity hospital. A few hours later I "crashed". Not sure what that means. I was out of it. It's just what they told me. Turns out my appendix had ruptured. They nixed the transfer and brought me straight to surgery. I spent about 10 days in an induced coma in intensive care, and had to have another surgery. Two months later I was released.
They never charged me a dime. Just because you hear a few horror stories about bad medical care, that doesn't mean it's some kind of national policy. As someone stated above, if you're in immediate danger they are required to treat you. |
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And the same exact thing can be said in your situation: Just because you hear a few good stories about adequate medical care, that doesn't mean it's some kind of national normalcy. |
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No, he is not going to return the money. And, when he found out it was Moore who sent the money, he was angry. Ungrateful piece of shit. |
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Woman dies in ER waiting room, 911 operators refuse to help her. Janitors clean up her vomit as she lay dying.
http://www.wnbc.com/health/13503186/detail.html Disgusting. Someone should go to jail for this. |
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What, nothin' better to do? Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too. Who's usin' who? What should we do? Well you can't be a pimp And a prostitute too |
Whenever I travel to the USA I buy the most expensive medical insurance available, even if I go there just for a week. Before seeing this movie I had heard some horror stories, but not this bad.
This movie is a real jaw dropper. Its really terrible to have to worry about medical expenses, ever. Free healthcare is a human right. Just like free education is a human right. Is it a benefit to society if the next einstein dies at birth because of lack of medical care, or won't reach his full potential because he can't get education? Too bad some corrupt politicians don't see it that way. |
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the child could have been admitted and the mother could have been billed (at triple the amount since her insurance didn't cover that hospital in their plan) for the emergency visit. hence, the child would have most likely lived. hospitals bill those without insurance all the time for an emergency visit (and most don't pay because the bill is too high therefore sending the person into collections). |
This is capitalism. If you make good money - you should be able to buy better things than people who make less. Why is health any different?
Though the movie brings up a more disturbing question ( at least for me ) - that doctors give you medical advice not based on their medical expertise but based on what makes sense financially. |
BTW, you never get denied coverage when you're getting health insurance from your work. So, unless one doesn't have a decent job - you'll be covered. After the retirement age - there is state and federal insurance programs that'll cover almost 100%
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true, today in the provinces of the philippines poor flips are dying from influenzna because they don't have 1000 pesos to see a doctor. |
1000 pesos = approx 22usd
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Most of the universal health care system iin Europe is like it is because of Christian values. Matthew 22:39 "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"
I wonder why the religious right in the US does not want to love their neighbor and offer them help and free health care in a time of need. Maybe they are not that Christian after all? |
Comparing taking your kid to the nearest medical facility to going to Macy's when you only have K-mart money.... WOW
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and it will never be true in a philosophical sense. and does not work in a practical sense. advances in civilization occur because SOME humans made an effort. and in a perfect world, these SOME people should have some moral propensity toward those less fortunate, but the less fortunate have no "right" to the benefit. because IF everyone has the same "right" to a cultural benefit it will take away the incentive for SOME humans to excel, and all of society will suffer. (a basic flaw of communism) humans are, by nature motivated by greed and self benefit, not altruism. |
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and it is partly so expensive because MANY people do get free or almost free medical care in the usa. fact. and i look for the day when we have national health insurance at affordable rates. |
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But its up to the people of the US to decide what they want, and if they like the way it is now, then so be it. |
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In canada we have free medical - ok well - we pay through our ass in taxes - but - we dont have to worry about money. Although - the wait times for medical treatment is terrible.
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The religious right doesnt care about the poor or sick lives. They care about stopping stem cell research claiming it takes a human life. Yet they allow fertility clinics to throw unused embryos in the trash can every day and are too afraid to speak out against that. They are for "life" when it's politically convenient and nothing more.
The unborn. Not the ones with diseases. Lets make that extra clear. oh, plus they hate gays. Cant forget that since we're gearing up for a presidential election... lol |
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Doctors follow a code of ethics called the hypocratic oath. This means they are not supposed to deny service to anyone based on their financial status or many other reasons. |
I heard Moore's next movie is going to be on movie piracy.
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my take on the whole issue is.. if your dead your not paying taxes.. thus its gotta be better to keep people alive :)
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Since I haven't seen the movie and it's already been brought up here, did he talk about all the free care the US gives illegals? Our little town hospital is seriously looking at closing down because they are going under w/ unpaid bills from illegals - whom they legally have to treat. |
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well to be real the problem isnt the illegals .. its the funding the hospital gets.. hospitals should get enough money to treat their caseload period. illegals or no illegals. the hypocratic oath certainly doesn't include a disclaimer for only u.s. citizens infact it goes one step further and includes illegals. , and besides that illegals are pumping money into the economy not distracting from it as far as i can see. If they are in the country they are likely working and likely paying taxes of some sort. the problem is census figures dont always work especially in areas with high influx in people. Hospitals are like education.. there is no reason why not to completely fund it. it pays off in taxes, if we keep people alive they can pay more taxes , if we educate them , the smarter they get the more money in taxes they will pay. Canada should simply train every child from 1st grade to be doctors , then become the worlds hospital..:1orglaugh:thumbsup |
wow. It's very obvious that many of you have never had something serious go wrong with a family member.
Insurance plans are GREAT... until something serious goes wrong, and then the HMO's start searching for ways not to pay. Baddog, please don't respond to this thread until you've seen the movie. Your ignorance is driving us over the edge. The mother called 911, the AMBULANCE drove to the closest hospital. The daughter was treated, until they found out that something was seriously wrong, at which point her insurance denied her any more services unless they moved her to an "in-network" hospital. By the time she got there, the daughter was pretty much dead. Death could have been prevented. |
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Affordable health care (insurance) is one thing, but capitalism is why there are strides in medicine. Precisely why communism doesn't work. You don't give incentive to people to come up with better ideas. |
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Perhaps illegals SHOULDN'T be the problem, but at least in my town they are. I rather doubt the only major medical center in a 30 mile radius wants to shut down. Perhaps where you live the illegals pay taxes and such. Here they live 20 to a room, don't pay taxes and right now don't seem to be paying their medical bills. |
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